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post #61 of 125 Old 06-12-2009, 09:58 PM
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LA Times Article;

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...0,827601.story


Here, KFVS was off air for a while after the shutdown at midnight Friday morning but back on Digital within 2 or 3 hours, switched from 57 to 12 and boosted signal. What used to be at 25% is now about 55-60%.

WPSD and WSIL were still on air late Friday

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My only real gripe is that my local ABC affiliate was on 87.7 (chan 6); that means I can no longer listen to their live radio weather and traffic reports on the way to work.

WPSD did that also and it was handy in power outages. I'm wondering why they couldn't continue to broadcast audio only on 87.7, or is that part of the band going away also?
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All channels here now are snow except the ABC and CBS affiliates which are showing DTV "night-light" loops.
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The news anchor said Gentlemen, stop your engines..Then it was out, the engineer pressed the Off button. I was surprised it went to snow that fast. I was glad to see WROC made something of it, and showed us the transmitter. They have a long history at Humboldt St location, and commemorated their 60th anniversary with the analog shutdown. The other locals just shut down at 3AM, no ceremonies.
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WKRN 2, the last Nashville full-power station (not counting nightlight WSMV 4), just shut down. They looked great for analog, BTW. Maybe it was because most of the east coast Channel 2's were already off air. They had a countdown clock during Jimmy Kimmel Live, then they went to a conversion slide with voiceover at 11:59. "Analog broadcasting will now cease". It cut back to the show for a second, Jimmy laughed, and that was it.
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^^^ Do you know if any of the Nashville stations boosted power after the change? I'd like to be able to catch Amy on 5's morning news again.
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I was going to record KXTV Ch.10 going off at 12..but I think they redused there analog signal, and now I can't pick it up..I'm going to record KGO 7
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I don't have an OTA TV, but I have a radio that picks up analog TV audio. I listened as KTLA went to static at 10:45 PDT.

CBS analog does the loop. Fox and KCOP are still broadcasting here, as of 10:55 Pacific Time.

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KTLA 5 has devoted much of their 10PM newscast to a countdown to the end of their analog signal. They're cutting the analog signal at 10:45PM PDT, during the newscast.

KABC 7 and KCAL 9 cut off their analog feeds early in the day. KCBS 2 and KNBC 4 cut their signals as well, but are still broadcasting the instructional loop for connecting to digital.

KTTV 11 and KCOP 13 are still on the air, probably until midnight. Yep, they just confirmed that they're cutting off both signals just before midnight.

I do like that KTLA is making something of a big deal about it. They were the first commercial station west of the Mississippi River, and so they were pretty nostalgic about cutting their signal off after 62 years.

And the analog signal just went kaput as I typed this. They flipped the switch on the air, and a second or two later the screen went blank...until I flipped back to the digital feed of course.

For me, I'm losing the TV band on my portable CD player, so I'll no longer be able to listen at work. It came in handy to listen to sporting events when I was in a location where the AM stations wouldn't come in.
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^^^ Do you know if any of the Nashville stations boosted power after the change? I'd like to be able to catch Amy on 5's morning news again.

I don't know, but WTVF 5 and WNPT 8 flash cut to their VHF channels, and they're very easy to get now. They were the two hardest to receive, before the analog shutdown.
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I recorded the KFVS 12 (Cape Girardeau) sign off on thursday night, and also the WPSD 6 (Paducah, KY) sign off tonight. WPSD played one of their old sign off videos, along with the national anthem, then went dark. KFVS last night just went dark during Craig Ferguson. You can find them on youtube under my username "cbunga".
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Well, that's it for here. I can't pick up any analog stations.

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I'm going to upload on youtube the Analog Shutoff for KGO Ch. 7..I wanted to recored KQED..But Ch.9 singed off at the same time
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WFMJ signed off at 11:59 exactly, WQHS signed off a little later(about 11:59:30) and WEAO went off at 12. Just enough time for me to flip between all three channels and see them all. I saw the last station go dark at midnight as a new day began, a day with 100% digital TV.

Nothing for me to record here. It was all very uneventful and went out with nothing more than a whimper.
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Only one station here did anything special KPNX shut down at 10:12pm during the news from their master control. KNXV interrupted Kimmel at 11:55 to do a quick DTV tutorial.

KSAZ shut off at 8:30AM during a commercial between the morning news, they regularly video chat with hosts from a local radio station and the radio station had been relying on the analog signal and didn't know it.

I was surprised KPHO, the first tv station in Arizona, didn't do anything.
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NBC can still be received, in a snowy fashion, on analog channel 23 this morning. It's a low power repeater station for WAVY, channel 10 in this area. Home Shopping Network continues on channel 14, and three religious channels can be seen on 5, 18, and 51.

Two nightlight channels are visible...WGNT, channel 27, and WUND, channel 2--a North Carolina PBS station somewhat out of this market, but usually received clearly (not the case with its digital replacement). Each airs the same video provided by the National Association of Broadcasters.

On the digital side, the biggest change was the switch by Trinity Broadcasting to digital channel 7--one main and four substations in all. Wish some station would pick up a channel like RTN in this area.
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I've been watching the Chicago digital channels for months during the pre-cutover transition. On 6/12, ABC 7 Chicago (WLS-TV) moved from 7.1 digital on UHF channel 52 at 153.6 KW power EPR to VHF-Hi channel 7 at 4.75 kw EPR. In spite of what the post-transition coverage maps predicted, their post-transition VHF digital signal is non-existant 26 miles away in Schaumburg on a rooftop antenna and Quad-shielded RG6 line.
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Here's the analog shutdown of WLTX in Columbia SC at 12:30 PM yesterday, the end of the 12:00 local news. Engineer Jim Grasty presses the button. This signal was 5000 kW at about 69 miles.

Note the horizontal bands in the picture while the transmitter is still running. After the shutdown you can see what's producing the interference: W19CR, a low-power translator for UNC-TV (the North Carolina PBS system) in Tryon NC, 1.23 kW at 58 miles. The directions to the two stations are separated by 130 degrees. This is still running. It's going to flash-cut to digital eventually.
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To summarize, here's a bit of what happened throughout the day in L.A.

Stations to end with a bang
KNBC - 11:30 AM (the station manager flips the switch at the end of the newscast)
KABC - 12 Noon (There was a 60-second countdown at the end of the newscast, after which the screen went blank)
KBEH - (There was a periodical countdown throughout the day until 7PM)
KTLA - 10:45 (The lever was pulled by KTLA alumn Stan Chambers, featuring a split-screen montage of classic news clips from their vast archives)

Stations that just faded away
KCET - 12 Midnight
KDOC - 12 Midnight
KCAL - 1:10 PM
KCBS - 1:10 PM
KFTR - 11:30 PM (appox)
KTBN - 11:30 PM (appox)
KWHY - 11:30 PM (appox)
KMEX - 11:40 PM (appox)
KCOP - 11:56 PM
KTTV - 11:56 PM

A side note to mention, the digital transition on KCBS was pretty much reminiscent of the 1995 big switch of South Florida. That's because their new digital channel (43) was initially occupied by sibling station KCAL-TV (now on digital channel 9). At least 1/2 of the channels to adapt their original analog dials include KABC, KTTV, KCOP, and KCET, among a few others. Also, when last I checked, the ones that picked up the DTV Answers loop occured on KCBS, KNBC, KTLA, KWHY and KBEH.
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In Boston, everything just faded away, including the station (WCVB) that had recently done a solid documentary on their own history. I had thought that WCVB at least would consider this a suitably historical moment.
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Milwaukee's videos, as provided by the broadcasters:
WTMJ-TV, Channel 4 (NBC): They included it as a segment during the noon newscast, including the return of the engineer who started the first analog transmitter at the station. This actually didn't terminate broadcasting; they continued with a 2 hour "this station is no longer broadcasting in analog" message slide before finally shutting down at 2:00 p.m.
WITI-TV, Channel 6 (FOX) - Played a short signoff package featuring one of the news anchors at noon, then cut to a PowerPoint "nightlight" slideshow that ran until roughly 11:00 p.m. Finally, at that point, they switched to the NAB nightlight video that will loop until later this month.
WISN-TV, Channel 12 (ABC) - This is a longer signoff package played at 8:30 a.m., but actually a rerun package from the station's 50th anniversary 5 years ago, featuring now retired anchor Jerry Taff. The station then cut to a "this station is no longer broadcasting in analog" message slide until noon.
WMVS/WMVT-TV, Channels 10 and 36 (PBS) - Longer signoff package and anthem before terminating analog broadcast.

Not on the above list:
WDJT-TV, Channel 58 (CBS): abruptly terminated broadcast at 11:59 p.m. without a signoff
WVTV-TV, Channel 18 (CW): switched at the original analog transition date back in February.
WCGV-TV, Channel 24 (MyNet): switched at the original analog transition date back in February.
WVCY-TV, Channel 30 (Religious): unknown
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KTLA - 10:45 (The lever was pulled by KTLA alumn Stan Chambers, featuring a split-screen montage of classic news clips from their vast archives).

This page:

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktl...,7412684.story

has video from last night's shutoff, along with a story done earlier in the day (evening?), and a look back at KTLA's history.


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Nobody in boston did a special sign off farewell. Dissapointing. I thought better.
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Nobody in boston did a special sign off farewell. Dissapointing. I thought better.

That's because outside of us in the industry and people like you here..no one cares sad to say.

FYI, my dtv channels here = 24 from 9 stations.

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Nobody in boston did a special sign off farewell. Dissapointing. I thought better.

Wow nothing for WGBH?
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That's because outside of us in the industry and people like you here..no one cares sad to say.

You'd think the people at the station would care a bit. Especially long established ones. Yeah, they're not really going away, but still.

KTLA out here had a fun, if a tad corny, sendoff.

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I did another Vid for KGO-TV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0KXgdi4VoM
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You'd think the people at the station would care a bit. Especially long established ones.

KTLA out here had a fun, if a tad corny, sendoff.

Oh, we do..especially me.. who has been in the biz since '83..Speaking of corny..here is what we did:

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/art...=fox+charlotte

IMHO, If you were caught unaware by this shut off, you need to go to Walmart and get a RADIO.!

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I leave in Union City in the East Bay and ABC 7 was fine with my 2 year old Panny Plasma prior to conversion. But after the conversion, this station was the only station not obtainable. I checked the signal strenght meter and it was 0, I moved the antenna around and could see some low percentage but still no picture. Did they move to a lower strenght antenna? I read somewhere that as time goes by, some station will continue to upgrade but since the station was fine yesterday and not after the conversion, I'm confuse why the lost in signal. Any suggestions?
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NY Times Article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/14/bu...al.html?ref=us

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In central Houston, Edward and Juanita Perry sat on the porch of their white row house with peeling paint on Friday afternoon unworried about not being prepared for digital TV. The retired couple had a voucher for a free converter box that they received last week, but they had yet to redeem it.

“It don’t bother me,” said Mr. Perry, 64, a retired truck driver. “I can do without it. Two or three nights won’t kill me.”

Ms. Perry said she was actually looking forward to being without television for a while.

“Silence is golden,” she said. “I’ll catch up on silence.”

She DO have a point, don't she?
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WXYZ (Detroit) cut to static on their analog channel at 5:59 AM in the middle of the anchors talking about the transition. They have to vacate the channel so the Fox affiliate can move their digital channel, so no nightlight. WXYZ-DT has been on their permanent channel for years, and simply carried on with the segment.

2 more will shut down at 9 AM.

I installed a rotator ahead of time just to see if any signals got stronger. They didn't. I can still pull the same digital stations and they have the same signal strength. I may get a DB8 just to see if it makes a difference. Fox and NBC both are showing the same info on getting a converter. The rest just went dead. Analog channels 33 and 32 are still there. 33 is low power, but I don't know about 32. CBC Channel 9 (analog Canadian station) comes in a lot clearer now.
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