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From Wireless Estimator.com...this synopsis pgh follwed by link to story:

Cell phone inventor Marty Cooper to address tower workers who installed the backbone for the "Brick"

Martin "Marty" Cooper and Motorola were responsible for going toe to toe with AT&T to keep them from having a monopoly on cellular service. They won. And now Marty is championing another fight to educate America that there isn't a spectrum shortage, but there is a short-sighted mindset at the FCC and in Congress.

You'll also learn about things that you might not have known about Marty regarding Star Trek, brass knuckles and blowing up bridges. Please see: Cooper


http://www.wirelessestimator.com/t_content.cfm?pagename=Martin%20%22Marty%22%20Cooper%20-%20Inventor%20of%20the%20cell%20phone

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I'm not surprised, it is apparently VERY DIFFICULT/EXPENSIVE to build a Multiple Antenna Diversity Combiner for ATSC to overcome null spots in moving vehicles, whilst in Europe they are readily available for Cars, Buses & Trains.....with NO LOSS OF DATA RATE, as is required for Advanced ATSC-M/H:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/519678/any-recent-5th-generation-receiver-chip-news/300#post_5842783
The much longer Symbol Times of OFDM result in much longer allowable times for Inter-Symbol-Interference (ISI) overlap between adjacent Symbols in each of the numerous sub-carriers...greatly simplifying the multiple transmitter interference problem.
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With Verizon talking to TV Manufacturers to include support for their planned LTE Broadcast service into TV's,
Dish Network also possibly planning a wireless TV service with LTE and LTE Broadcast,
would it not make sense now for TV stations to switch to LTE and LTE Broadcast,
between channels 14-30 (470-572 Mhz) there is 102 Mhz,,
With carrier aggregation a hybrid broadcast/streaming/information service could be built and launched,
Which could also be accessed on mobile devices,
Instead of stations selling spectrum the money that would have gone into that and the repack,
Could be combined to build a new advanced interactive service,
The FCC would get it's 120 Mhz,
Wireless Companies and Broadcast Channels would not have to share the same spectrum,

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Verizon talking to TV manufacturers about supporting LTE Multicast programming
Verizon Wireless: LTE Multicast Will Deliver Guaranteed Bitrate
Dish secures spectrum for 150Mbps LTE wireless broadband to rural homes in the US
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With Verizon talking to TV Manufacturers to include support for their planned LTE Broadcast service into TV's,
Dish Network also possibly planning a wireless TV service with LTE and LTE Broadcast,
would it not make sense now for TV stations to switch to LTE and LTE Broadcast,
between channels 14-30 (470-572 Mhz) there is 102 Mhz,,
With carrier aggregation a hybrid broadcast/streaming/information service could be built and launched,
Which could also be accessed on mobile devices,
Instead of stations selling spectrum the money that would have gone into that and the repack,
Could be combined to build a new advanced interactive service,
The FCC would get it's 120 Mhz,
Wireless Companies and Broadcast Channels would not have to share the same spectrum,

Links
Verizon talking to TV manufacturers about supporting LTE Multicast programming
Verizon Wireless: LTE Multicast Will Deliver Guaranteed Bitrate
Dish secures spectrum for 150Mbps LTE wireless broadband to rural homes in the US

OK, stupid question time.
What happens to channels 14-30 under your scenario?
Do they still transmit OTA television signals, or do they have to give up their respective frequencies to LTE?
I admit, 99% of the people who frequent this thread already know the answer to my question, so please help the other 1% of us who aren't engineers to make some order out of all of this.
THANKS!
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Channels 14-30 would be used for the new service,
Whether this happens or not is up in the air,
but with the repack the FCC's Channel Sharing Test is being done with h.264
Link to article L.A. Stations Decode Channel-Sharing Question
What that states with the repack is the FCC is either going to want ATSC 2.0 receivers to decode those channels that choose to share,
or have some sort of adapter to decode the h.264 signals or ATSC 2.0 adpaters,
So that states everyone who wants all the programming they enjoy now or what is left of it needs and adapter or new receiver
Even if ATSC 3.0 was ready or another Broadcast Standard new equipment will be needed for everyone.
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Channels 14-30 would be used for the new service,
Whether this happens or not is up in the air,
but with the repack the FCC's Channel Sharing Test is being done with h.264
Link to article L.A. Stations Decode Channel-Sharing Question
What that states with the repack is the FCC is either going to want ATSC 2.0 receivers to decode those channels that choose to share,
or have some sort of adapter to decode the h.264 signals or ATSC 2.0 adpaters,
So that states everyone who wants all the programming they enjoy now or what is left of it needs and adapter or new receiver
Even if ATSC 3.0 was ready or another Broadcast Standard new equipment will be needed for everyone.

Thanks so much for your clear reply.
Your last sentence tells me why I oppose this entire concept.
I spent a bunch of money on set-top-boxes and TVs in order to get digital OTA signals, now I'm about to be forced to go through the whole drill again.
I don't think I want to.
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This article states that the CEA does not want to alienate consumers with h.264 receivers until enough content is available,
and says that broadcasters want more audience to justify the move,
here is the article Broadcasters Ponder Post-MPEG-2 World
Now the FCC is considering it with the Channel Sharing Test
As of right now There are over 50 networks that exist on subchannels around the country,
which includes international news and language networks, kids channels, sports,lifestyle,music, family, movies, classic tv, general entertainment, weather.
There is plenty of Content that exists,
Some LPTV Stations owners have said the more networks they carry equals more viewers and more revenue with the want to multicast more,
Even Full Power TV Stations have said they earn a good amount in just advertising with a subchannel network,
with the way things are looking right now unless a brand new standard is introduced it could be that a move from ATSC 1.0 to 2.0 and then to 3.0,
that is a total of two transitions in a short period,
Sinclair is developing a standard that was said to be ready this year. that would be just one transition with mobile tv and stations able to be packed tighter together,
even a standard with a LTE Network with LTE Broadcast build out would most likely make more sense,
right now the FCC is asking for comments about operating wireless service on spectrum outside of a stations Contour for use with the spectrum auction,
something needs to happen where both the FCC and the Wireless companies get the 120 Mhz they want,
and the broadcasters could have a robust new efficient, modern, prepared for the future with 4k, mobile,on demand, HEVC standard in the remaining 102 Mhz of the UHF Band
not a VHF Band with a butchered UHF Band that is not continuous nationwide, within some markets it could be very small and wireless service operating outside the stations contour,
plus no option to innovate with a continuous uhf band which is now the most wanted spectrum with some wireless companies planning TV services with it
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The article helped me a bunch.
Thanks for the reference.
These broadcast guys need to understand that not everybody is ready to buy a new TV, or a new set-top-box, or the newest latest thing just so they can squeeze more content into their allocated bandwidth.
At least this old guy isn't.......
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