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How do you get into this? I got a slight slope from right to left of my Sony. Would geometry adjustments fix this?
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Tilt is an adjustment in the standard menu.
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Hi Guys!

Love this 34 XBR2 here! :p I suggest you purchase a service manual, but if you are brave here is some info:

Self-Diagnostic Function:
To enter this mode press the following buttons on the Remote Commander sequentially, and in rapid succession.
DISPLAY Channel 5 Sound Volume (-) Power On
Numeral 1 means no defect was detected
Numeral 2 means a fault was detected one time only

To clear a display to retest after repair depress Channel 8 ENTER

Power off unit to exit this mode.

Picture size and geometry adjustments:
Enter Service Mode
(Be careful, there are allot of ways to screw up the settings here)

To enter service mode:
Power Off
Press the following buttons within one second of one another...
Display Channel 5 Sound Volume (+) Power

Reading the memory
1 Enter into service mode
2 Press 0 on the remote commander
3 Press Enter to read memory

Adjusting Picture
(1) Enter into Service Mode
(2) Press 2 or 5 on the remote to select device item
(3) Press 1 or 4 on the remote to select an item
(4) Press 3 or 6 on the remote to change the data
(5) Press MUTING then ENTER to write to memory
Turn off set, unplug, then replug to power. All changes will then
be recorded into memory. WARNING!!!!!

I suggest you try to adjust your geometery with the controls in the user interface. Without the proper test equipment and the Service Manual (there are tons of warnings and disclaimers in this book), I can see where one could really mess things up. :(

I have done a calibration of my set, and very little needed touching up that was not covered in the user interface adjustments. There was nothing far enough out in my case to merit fooling with these adjustments. Good luck with the calibration. Please be careful!

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I tried the self diag menu and saw no numerals. There were a series of numbers from 2 to 7 and there was text beside the numbers. At the bottom was the number 101 and WDT. Do you know what this means?


Also I have a geometry problem with the top right corner of the TV. The Avia test pattern bends at the top corner. Can the adjustments make a difference to that area?

Also on the Cross Hatch pattern the disc seems to be firing dots where there should be no dots in the cross hatch pattern (this is the first pattern in the Widescreen video tests). Has anyone seen this in their sets?
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Sorry this was delayed, just have not been around the computer recently.

Which picture mode (modes?) do you experience this problem with? (Full, Zoom, Wide Zoom) The Service Manual has detailed calibration adjustments for each mode. My sets geometry was almost dead on when I checked it the first time. I'll try to post the procedure here for you tonight, if you can tell me in which mode this problem manifests itself.

If it is in all modes, I again recommend that you purchase the Service Manual from Sony. It has a User Setup and Operation Manual as part of it. I don't think I could fully appreciate all of the features that this set has without it. It contains what the Owner's Manual should contain, but does not. I am sure that I have the number that I ordered it from (Sony Parts). There is just way too much detail to even try to post all of the preperation and adjustment procedures needed for a full "Picture Size and Geometry Adjustment" calibration.

I am not an expert, not even close. I am just an HDTV addict that is trying to get up to speed. I love this technology!!! Perhaps others here have a solution for you. I'll do my best to help with my limited knowledge. PS get the manual, you'll be glad you did.

BTW,
I do not have the Avia DVD, but I do own the Video Essentials DVD. I think they are somewhat similar?

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I have the problem in all modes. I have the Avia disc and it is the cross hatch pattern for 16:9 displays that I am looking at. The Vid Essentials probably has the same pattern.

I just do not see a uniform pattern in the top corner so I started playing with the vertical and tilt in the regular menu and the pattern evens out but it is not dead center. This just adds more confusion in my mind. Either the pattern or the display is not even throughout. I would have to get a more suitable pattern source to make sure.

However in the diagnostic menu you mention the numeral 1 or 2. When my diag box comes up it has a series of lines of what must be particular paramters but no specific numerals. That is one of the questions I have, where are the numerals you mentioned earlier located in the diag menu? Or more precisely what am I supposed to see to let me know all is well?

I would like the part number if you could get it. If you have the Vid Ess disk with a cross hatch pattern test the TV and let me know what you find.

Thanks again
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Scrtach the all modes. I don't know if it is in all modes since the corss hatch widescreen works only in the full mode since the pattern was specifcally designed for the 19:9 apsect ratio. In other modes the squares are always distorted becuase they are being stretched.

But in any case if you could let me know about the diag menu and what I am suppposed to see that would be helpful. Thanks again.
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Could you post the part # for the KD-34XBR2 service manual please?
thanks, pete
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Hi Guys!

The part number for the Service Manual is 9-965-916-01
The following is the "Full" mode adjustment procedure.

"Throughout these adjustment procedures, you will be prompted to "write data to memory".
To do this, follow this procedure:
1. Press the "mute" button ("Write" appears in green letters at the top right corner of screen).
2. Press the "Enter" button ("Write" changes from green to red, then "Write" changes to
"Service").

4.1 Full Mode Adjustment:
Set-up Condition:
Display mode "Full" (NTSC)
Picture Mode: STANDARD (select the standard mode from the user menu, then press the "RESET" button
on the remote control to set the STANDARD settings to the factory settings).
TILT CORRECTION: set to zero, from the user menu
VERTICAL CORRECTION: set to zero, from the user menu

PROCEDURE:
1. Enter the service mode. (See earlier post.)
2. Display the monoscope or cross-hatch pattern
3. Set the data for VPOS to 27, then adjust SCRL so that the pattern is centered vertically
on the screen.

DEVICE NAME 2150D-1
Adj. item# 0
Name VPOS
Data 27
DEVICE NAME 2150D-1
Adj. item# 12
Name SCRL
Data *
* Adjust as neccessary to vertically center the pattern. If the monoscope pattern is not available, use the cross-hatch pattern's center dot as the reference point.
4. Write the data to memory.
5. Adjust the vertical size

DEVICE NAME 2150D-1
Adj. item# 1
Name VSIZ
Data *
*Adjust to meet the following spec:
Monoscope pattern: 11.6 boxes.
Cross-hatch pattern: 90% of the full pattern height.
6. Write the data to memory.
7. Adjust the pattern so that it is centered on the screen horizontally.

DO NOT CHANGE THE HCEN DATA TO CENTER THE PATTERN! USE HPOS TO CENTER THE PATTERN. HCEN CENTERS THE RASTER; HPOS CENTERS THE PICTURE ON THE RASTER.

DEVICE NAME 2150D-2
Adj. item# 1
Name HPOS
Data *
*Adjust as neccessary to horizontally center the pattern. If the Monoscope pattern is not available, use the cross-hatch pattern's center dot as the reference point.
8. Write data to memory.
9. Adjust the horizontal size.

DEVICE NAME 2150D-2
Adj. item# 2
Name HSIZ
Data *
*Adjust to the following spec:
Monoscope pattern: 15.6 boxes
Cross-hatch pattern: 92% of the full pattern width
10. Write data to memory.
11. Display the Cross-hatch pattern (do NOT use the Monoscope pattern).
12. Equalize the vertical bow at the top and bottom of the screen.

DEVICE NAME 2150D-1
Adj. item# 5
Name VCEN
Data *
*Adjust to make the bowing of the top and bottom lines equal.
13. Write data to memory.
14. Adjust the Vertical pin cushion:

DEVICE NAME 2150D-1
Adj. item# 6
Name VPIN
Data *
*Adjust as neccessary to make the horizontal lines as straight as possible.
15. Write data to memory.
16. Adjust the picture keystone.

DEVICE NAME 2150D-1
Adj. item# 8
Name HTPZ
Data *
*Adjust as neccessary to make the horizontal lines as parallel as possible.
17. Write data to memory.
18. Display a cross-hatch pattern (do not use a Monoscope pattern).

******* End of part one, to break up size of post*******

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thanks Ray for the post.

BTW, not to say that the service menu info was not useful, but I was wondering if you found out where the numerals appear in the diagnostic test.

Thanks again!
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*******Start of part two*******

DEVICE NAME 2150D-1
Adj. item# 3
Name VLIN
Data *
*Adjust as neccessary so that the boxes at the top of the screen are the same height as the boxes at the bottom of the screen.
20. Write data to memory.
21. Display Cross-hatch pattern (do not use Monoscope pattern).
22. Adjust the vertical S-correction.

DEVICE NAME 2150D-1
Adj. item# 4
Name VSCO
Data *
*Adjust as neccessary so that the boxes at the top and bottom of the screen are the same height as the boxes in the middle of the screen.
23. Write data to memory.
24. Display Cross-hatch pattern (do not use Monoscope pattern).
25. Adjust the horizontal linearity.

DEVICE NAME 2150D-2
Adj. item# 3
Name SLIN
Data *
*Adjust as neccessary so that the boxes at the left and right sides of the screen are the same width as the boxes in the middle of the screen.
26. Write data to memory.
27. Display Cross-hatch pattern (do not use Monoscope pattern).
28. Adjust horizontal inner and outer pin cushion.

DEVICE NAME 2150D-2
Adj. item# 4
Name MPIN
Data *
*Adjust as neccessary to straighten the vertical lines of the cross-hatch pattern. The MPIN adjustment is effective in the outer and the inner areas of the screen.
29. Write data to memory.
30. Display Cross-hatch pattern (do not use Monoscope pattern).
31. Adjust horizontal outer pin cushion.

DEVICE NAME 2150D-2
Adj. item# 5
Name PIN
Data *
*Adjust as neccessary to straighten the vertical lines of the cross-hatch pattern. The PIN adjustment is more effective in the outer areas of the screen.
32. Write data to memory.
33. Display Cross-hatch pattern (do not use Monoscope pattern).
34. Adjust the pincushion in the top and bottom corners of the screen.

DEVICE NAME 2150D-2
Adj. item# 7
Name UCP (upper corner)
Data *
Device Name 2150D-2
Adj. item# 8
Name LCP (lower corner)
Data *
*Adjust as neccessary to straighten the vertical lines of the cross-hatch pattern in the top and bottom corners of the screen.
35. Write data to memory.
36. Display Cross-hatch pattern (do not use Monoscope pattern).
37. Adjust the vertical keystone.

DEVICE NAME 2150D-2
Adj. item# 14
Name PPHA
Data *
*Adjust as neccessary to remove vertical keystone.
38. Write data to memory.
39. Display Cross-hatch pattern (do not use Monoscope pattern).
40. Remove any slant from all of the vertical lines.

DEVICE NAME 2150D-2
Adj. item# 15
Name VANG
Data *
*Adjust as neccessary to make all of the vertical lines straight up and down. The VANG adjustment is effective across the entire screen.
41. Write data to memory.
42. Display Cross-hatch pattern (do not use Monoscope pattern).
43. Remove any slant from the outer vertical lines.

DEVICE NAME 2150D-2
Adj. item# 16
Name LANG
Data *
*Adjust as neccessary to make the outer vertical lines straight up and down. The LANG adjustment is most effective in the outer areas of the screen.
44. Write data to memory.
45. Display Cross-hatch pattern (do not use Monoscope pattern).
46. Remove any bow from all of the vertical lines.

DEVICE NAME 2150D-2
Adj. item# 17
Name VBOW
Data *
*Adjust as neccessary to make the vertical lines straight up and down. The VBOW adjustment is effective across the entire screen.
47. Write data to memory.
48. Display Cross-hatch pattern (do not use Monoscope pattern).
49. Remove any bow from the outer vertical lines.

DEVICE NAME 2150D-2
Adj. item# 18
Name LBOW
Data *
*Adjust as neccessary to make the outer vertical lines straight up and down. The LBOW adjustment is most effective in the outer areas of the screen.
50. Write data to memory.

This completes the FULL mode Size and Geometry adjustments.

NOTE: Many of the adjustments in this section are shared with the other display modes (NORMAL, Zoom, Wide Zoom), and TWIN. When adjusting these modes as decribed in the following
sections of this manual, be sure to adjust only those items specifically listed for each mode.


If you need the other modes adjustments, let me know. It is about half as much data as this part of the procedure. There are illustrations in this fine manual that show exactly what the adjustments should look like. I am sorry but I can't duplicate them here. I make no claims other than this is the data as it appears in the manual. Good luck! Let me know if I can
look something else up for you.

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I think you are asking me about the numbers that are displayed upon entering the self-diagnostic mode. On the remote depress
DISPLAY * Channel 8 * Sound Volume (-) * Power On
The self diagnostic screen will have the tests listed at the left
of the screen. An example is:

2. B+ OCP (power supply Over Current Protection) 0
3. B+ OVP (power supply Over Voltage Protection) 0
4. VSTOP (vertical deflection stopped) 0
5. AKB (white balance failure) 0
6. LOWB (low b+ overcurrent/overvoltage) 0
7. H-STOP (horizontal deflection stopped) 0

(0) means no problem detected
(1) means problem detected

You would then make the proper adjustment to the circuit, or repair or replace the defective component('s) in the circuit, and reset the data...
(Depress Channel 8 * Enter) to reset data. Retest again. A zero means all is ok. A 1 means there is a fault detected.

I hope this is what you wanted. There is more detailed info in the manual, however my fingers are tired! :D :D :D

Good Luck! Please let us know your results. I checked my XBR2
again a bit ago, and it is still in calibration as per VE DVD.

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Muchos Gracias

That is exactly what I wanted :D

A small typo in the last post, to get the diag menu it 5 not 8 that needs to be pressed. You mentioned the number in the first post. Thanks again :)
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Thanks for the information. It is not easy setting the service menu items up. Actually I do not recommend it to the majority. But after setting the cross hatch I see there are limitations to the display at the corners. In any case it as close to the best setting I have got.

One more thing Ray is there a tilt setting in the Wide Mode. I see the display does shift the pattern or picture when the picture/pattern is moved in the vertical. I wanted to know if there was a unique tilt setting to control the single mode.
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Hi s_d!

Again, I have been away from the computer and am just now catching up. I apologize for the late reply.

I assume by wide mode you refer to wide zoom? The following are the wide zoom adjustments available. Let me know if you want the procedures. There is no independent (tilt) adjustment outside of the one available in the user menu. That user function applies to the mode you are in when you set it.

1. Adjust s correction and horizontal linearity (center boxes all same size, top and bottom boxes same height, adjust to make top and bottom boxes 90% of the height of the center boxes)
2. Adjust horizontal size
3. Adjust pattern to center of screen vertically
4. Adjust the vertical size
5. Adjust horizontal outer pin cushion
6. Adjust pin cushion in the top and bottom corners of the screen
7. Adjust to remove vertical keystone

I await your reply. Glad you are making progress.

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Hi RC

I noticed on my overscan in the TV the top right corner actually is uneven. It dipped to the right. It has a slope in the top right corner. This was the initial problem with that corner and now I realize that the overscan is not even firing in that section. It seems that when the tube was adjusted they attempted to compensate for that and kept that corner distorted. Unfortunately I am now stuck with the TV and will need someone with more technical know how to let me know if the overscan error can be fixed. I cannot get the calibrations done with the top error.

The Wide mode appears to be affected slightly by the full mode adjustments. Is that what you noticed too RC?
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The tech looked at the uneven scan and said that it was ok. IMO last time I purchase Sony products, pretty large errors for the so called top of the line products.


RC how even is the cross hatch on your TV. Estimating %age deviations, are there any?
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Well, there is no such thing as a perfect set on the market today. With that having been said, outside of some very small (I mean hard to see) anomolies in the cross-hatch pattern, my set is very close to optimal. I did not have the problem that you are discussing here. At least I do not think that I do. My eyes are critical, but they are not "trained".

If you look into some of the posts on the present front page of this forum, you will find discussions about blooming and ghosting/ringing etc. A common thread throughout these posts, is that the Sony "authorized not factory" service techs try to describe 90% of all of the problems listed as "normal". This is just a prime example of poor service tech training or experience. Sure, some problems are within specs, but this seems to be a major cop out being used by non-factory service personel. I have had problems with some independent repair/warranty centers in the past.

How old is the set? If it is new, I would demand a new replacement. If you have had it for awhile, I would demand Sony send out a FACTORY service technician, even if I had to wait several months (with a problem that I could live with). I had a small problem with my set, but after a similar experience with an "Authorized" service center, I purchased the service manual and figured out the problem and repaired it myself.

Sal, it is not a unique Sony problem. Dell, Gateway, and all other CE manufacturing companies have had cutbacks to improve the bottom line or reduce their losses. Customer service is one place that they can gain imeadiate monetary improvement. It is a short term gain, with long term consequences for their sales. I believe persistance and continuous phone calls will eventually force them to lube the "sqeaky wheel". Please keep us aprised of your progress.

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I hear you on the issue of the bottom line for most companies. Yep this tech was from an independent store. At first he wanted my serial number before he even showed up. I guess this way they process their claims. I will try the factory direct tech or someone like that. It is a very visible problem in that corner. When I looked at without the pattern I thought it was a camera effect. In moving frames it is out of the main region of interest but it is present no matter what service adjustments get made.

I will let you know if something changes but am still not pleased with their XBR being it is supposed to their top lines. I guess it is not their flasgship model since it is mass made....I don't know but aquiesingly surmise.
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After getting the tech over I realized he had made the full service mode adjustments in the wide mode thereby messing up the TV. He is Sony tech and he made the error. I realized this since i bought the service manual, alas after he came over, and proceded to tell him about it after which he turned around and blamed me for not telling him how to do his job! Hah

Sony service do not care, they did not even bother to get in touch with me. Sony joins the ranks of products I shall never purchase again.

Fujistsu maybe worth a try, any people have experience with their plasma displays.
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