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Hello,

I have a 3 month old TV and I have the DVR set so that it displays 16:9 and is in wide mode. There are times when I look around at regular stations and when a show is supposed to be 16:9 (full screen) it shows it as 4:3 (black bars on both sides. When I change the channel sometime to a HD station and then back to the prior station with the 4:3 it goes back to 16:9. Do you think there is something going on with my TV, DVR or HDMI Cable?
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Not really sure what you are asking. You are saying you are getting black bars on the sides sometimes? On HD channels or SD channels? You will get black bars with 4x3 content on HD channels, as the tv/cable box still sees it as an hd 16x9 channel. Its the broadcaster who is sending you the 4x3 picture inside their 16x9 broadcast.
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Make sure that the cable box, picture format is set to 1080i. That should work.
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Do you think there is something going on with my TV, DVR or HDMI Cable?

It may be the sofa to remote control interface.

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Not really sure what you are asking. You are saying you are getting black bars on the sides sometimes? On HD channels or SD channels? You will get black bars with 4x3 content on HD channels, as the tv/cable box still sees it as an hd 16x9 channel. Its the broadcaster who is sending you the 4x3 picture inside their 16x9 broadcast.
I'm getting 4x3 pictures at times on SD channels. I have it set for 16:9 and stretched, so the screen should stretch and become a little blurry. When I turn the channel to another station, and then back to that same channel it shows it as stretched instead of 4x3.
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I'm getting 4x3 pictures at times on SD channels. I have it set for 16:9 and stretched, so the screen should stretch and become a little blurry. When I turn the channel to another station, and then back to that same channel it shows it as stretched instead of 4x3.
It would appear that your TV set sometimes follows your verbose setting to stretch and sometimes uses the AFD (Automatic Format Description) setting that is embedded in some digital feeds.

Why would you want to stretch 4X3 video? For proper shapes 4x3 pictures should be viewed with side panels. Once you eliminate the stretch setting, does the 4x3 video look correct all the time (i.e. never stretched)?
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It would appear that your TV set sometimes follows your verbose setting to stretch and sometimes uses the AFD (Automatic Format Description) setting that is embedded in some digital feeds.

Why would you want to stretch 4X3 video? For proper shapes 4x3 pictures should be viewed with side panels. Once you eliminate the stretch setting, does the 4x3 video look correct all the time (i.e. never stretched)?
It's actually the DVR setting that makes it stretch. When I set the DVR to no stretching then it shows 4x3 correct all of the time on SD channels.
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When I set the DVR to no stretching then it shows 4x3 correct all of the time on SD channels.
Do the 16X9 channels look correct when the DVR is set to no stretch?
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Do the 16X9 channels look correct when the DVR is set to no stretch?
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So you can turn off the stretch feature and both 16x9 and 4x3 remain in the correct aspect ratio. That's what would be expected and is the proper way to configure your system. Yet that answer seems too simple for the question that you asked. Am I missing something?
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So you can turn off the stretch feature and both 16x9 and 4x3 remain in the correct aspect ratio. That's what would be expected and is the proper way to configure your system. Yet that answer seems too simple for the question that you asked. Am I missing something?

Well the problem is that I want the stretched mode all of the time even if it's a little blurry and sometimes I don't get that.
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I guess that easiest way to explain it is that say channel 11 is showing 4:3 in stretched mode. If I change the channel to a HD 16:9 and then back to the 4:3 then it looks stretched. It's like the DVR or my TV is not always working in stretched mode until after I change the channel. This doesn't happen all of the time, maybe every other day.
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Well the problem is that I want the stretched mode all of the time even if it's a little blurry and sometimes I don't get that.

I would like to talk you out of watching stretched video.
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I watch stretched 4:3 all the time, although I'd never admit it
Actually I only have my DVD player do the stretching for 4:3 programs, for 4:3 TV I don't care for the loss of contrast ratio having my TV do the stretching so I leave it as-is. I especially don't like stretched HD(4:3 program broadcast on a HD channel) stretching SD doesn't look as bad. Depending on the program I sometimes Zoom 4:3 which keeps proper aspect but cuts off the top and bottom of the picture.
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I watch stretched 4:3 all the time, although I'd never admit it
Actually I only have my DVD player do the stretching for 4:3 programs, for 4:3 TV I don't care for the loss of contrast ratio having my TV do the stretching so I leave it as-is. I especially don't like stretched HD(4:3 program broadcast on a HD channel) stretching SD doesn't look as bad. Depending on the program I sometimes Zoom 4:3 which keeps proper aspect but cuts off the top and bottom of the picture.

If you like big butts stretching is great.
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I watch stretched 4:3 all the time, although I'd never admit it

I've a good friend who agrees with you. He told me, when I was asked to get his cable box setup to do it, that he paid for a big screen, he wants to use it.

My wife and I do not like to watch 4:3 SD at his house ...
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Yet another good reason to use a projector. If you have a 110" 16:9 image, you probably don't feel the need to stretch and distort 4:3 programming.

I would rather have Gone with the Wind or Wizard of Oz at 90" in its original aspect ratio than have Scarlett's head distorted like the queen from Aliens.

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I've a good friend who agrees with you. He told me, when I was asked to get his cable box setup to do it, that he paid for a big screen, he wants to use it.

My wife and I do not like to watch 4:3 SD at his house ...

I have a friend like that. I seriously never got it. You're still getting a big picture. You're not missing out on anything. Stretching the picture is not adding anything. All it does is distort the picture. How is that better?
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embrace the black bars. your tv is trying to tell you something.
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