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I would like some antenna suggestions, please. We're very inexperienced with this whole thing, but I've been trying to read some forum posts. smile.gif

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I would like to get the top list of stations, down to channel 2.1, PBS.

Although St. Peter is in a valley area, our house is somewhat higher up the hill, so we're hoping to get decent reception with a rooftop antenna. We have a two-story house, so it'll be about 25 feet up.

Will it be possible to have the antenna mounted pretty flat to the roof, without a big tower/brace? After several years of trying, I think I've finally convinced my husband to go the antenna route, so we'd like it to be somewhat unobtrusive if possible.

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If that plot is accurate, you're going to need a big honkin' antenna, a pre-amp, and maybe a rotor.

It won't be unobtrusive

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I guess I realize it will need to be pretty big. Maybe unobtrusive isn't the best word for me to use. I just was hoping it wouldn't need to be mounted to a big tower much higher than the roof.

When I talked to someone at a small appliance store here in town, he mentioned a Channelmaster that he sells for $229 is what he recommends. Unfortunately, he didn't tell me the model. He also said he recommends a pre-amp for another $80. So is that what I need to anticipate spending? Or could I get it cheaper online?

Any model suggestions from you all?
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You live in an area that will be very difficult to get any station on that list. You need to go as high up as possible with the antenna to increase reception.
But before you go out spending money on equipment, are there any neighbors around you that have antenna's that you can ask how reception is? This will give you a good idea if you will run into any issues.
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Yes, I asked a neighbor who lives just a few houses up the street -- true, she lives a little further up the hill, but it's a small, gradual hill. She's an older lady, so I doubt she knows the model she has. But she said she gets all the Minneapolis stations and has great reception. I think she has a single story house, too. The man at the store in town whom I mentioned above, said people get the Minneapolis stations great with the antenna setup he recommended.

So even though it doesn't look good on paper, it sounds like it must be better than expected...
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There are several UHF/VHF antennas that Channel Master makes. The largest being the CM-3671, which can be found online for cheaper than $229.
Winegard is also a good antenna to consider.

Radio Shack also has antennas, but they do not hold up to extreme weather too good, which is where you live.

But regardless, you will need a VHF/UHF antenna. And if you are only concerned with Minneapolis, then you do not need a rotor.

You most likely will need an amp.
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Do you know the comparable model by Winegard? And are all amps about the same? Or is there a certain one I should look for?

Thank you for your help!
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Wow look at that plot, it does not look good for you at all. Especially considering the plot I got for my area which consisted of green stations and I'm having alot of trouble just getting those in, I'm surrounded by trees. You better be prepared to shell out the cash to get an antenna that will reach at minimum the height of your neighbors antenna and hope that there aren't any trees around as well. When all set and done you can ask the government to reimburse you for all that you have spent because they have ruined broadcasting spectrum.
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It looks really bad, huh? If we end up going for it, I'll have to report back.

Can you really get reimbursement? Is there a tax deduction items for it?
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It looks really bad, huh? If we end up going for it, I'll have to report back.
Can you really get reimbursement? Is there a tax deduction items for it?

Not sure if there is but it's worth a try, after all they did choose a modulation standard that isn't good at penetrating terrain or other obstructions well. So they do owe it to us but that's just my opinion.
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Seriously, Eric, quit trying to pi$$ in everyone else's cereal just because you have problems. Stay in your own' thread with your issues. You're coming across a just another whiner crabbing about decisions made when you were still in diapers.

Kristi, you're best to simply ignore him, he really doesn't have a flippin' clue.

There are numerous ways to solve this. I just wanted you to be aware it isn't going to be a subtle installation.

For Twin Cities only, start with an Antennas Direct 91 XG. Add a Winegard 10-Element high-VHF 4' under it for channels 9 & 11. Use either a Holland, Tru-Spec, or Antennas Direct UVSJ combiner to combine the signals, then an Antennas Direct PA18 preamp. Alternatives would be a single Winegard 7698 plus a pre-amp on a single mast, but that antenna is 14' long. There are probably several other options that stand a good chance of succeeding.

The CM-3671 isn't particularly a good choice since it includes unneeded low-VHF elements. You need only UHF plus high-VHF.
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Seriously, Eric, quit trying to pi$$ in everyone else's cereal just because you have problems. Stay in your own' thread with your issues. You're coming across a just another whiner crabbing about decisions made when you were still in diapers.
Kristi, you're best to simply ignore him, he really doesn't have a flippin' clue.
There are numerous ways to solve this. I just wanted you to be aware it isn't going to be a subtle installation.
For Twin Cities only, start with an Antennas Direct 91 XG. Add a Winegard 10-Element high-VHF 4' under it for channels 9 & 11. Use either a Holland, Tru-Spec, or Antennas Direct UVSJ combiner to combine the signals, then an Antennas Direct PA18 preamp. Alternatives would be a single Winegard 7698 plus a pre-amp on a single mast, but that antenna is 14' long. There are probably several other options that stand a good chance of succeeding.
The CM-3671 isn't particularly a good choice since it includes unneeded low-VHF elements. You need only UHF plus high-VHF.

I don't have a clue? It is well documented that 8VSB doesn't penetrate structure as well which is the root of mine, and a few of my friends problems. Here are examples of some things they have told me.

Girl- "I can't really watch anything because of the antenna"

Guy-" I tried getting a converter box and stuff awhile ago and it just didn't work"

Another girl- "sometimes you just can't see the channels"

Even my Facebook status about the government messing this up yielded quite a few likes.
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Seriously, Eric, quit trying to pi$$ in everyone else's cereal just because you have problems. Stay in your own' thread with your issues. You're coming across a just another whiner crabbing about decisions made when you were still in diapers.
Kristi, you're best to simply ignore him, he really doesn't have a flippin' clue.
There are numerous ways to solve this. I just wanted you to be aware it isn't going to be a subtle installation.
For Twin Cities only, start with an Antennas Direct 91 XG. Add a Winegard 10-Element high-VHF 4' under it for channels 9 & 11. Use either a Holland, Tru-Spec, or Antennas Direct UVSJ combiner to combine the signals, then an Antennas Direct PA18 preamp. Alternatives would be a single Winegard 7698 plus a pre-amp on a single mast, but that antenna is 14' long. There are probably several other options that stand a good chance of succeeding.
The CM-3671 isn't particularly a good choice since it includes unneeded low-VHF elements. You need only UHF plus high-VHF.

Thank you. I just now saw your post because, strangely, I didn't get any emails notifying of new posts after the last one. Anyway... thanks for the specific advice.

One other question... do "old" antennas work? I have a friend who has one on her roof that was there when they moved in. She said she'd give it to me if we want it. However, I'm wondering if the old ones don't even work anymore with the digital switchover and everything.

Thank you!
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The old antennas work fine. I have used a old Radio Shack U120 (UHF only) here near Mystic Lake Casino for about a year after the conversion. It was used at our lake house on Mille Lacs for about 8 years before that
(I've since changed over to a VHF/UHF one because 9 & 11 went back to VHF at the conversion)

Antennas get both analog and digital. Don't let someone tell you that you need a "HDTV" antenna...no such thing and its just hype. An antenna that has been up for 20 years would work fine.
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The old antennas work fine. I have used a old Radio Shack U120 (UHF only) here near Mystic Lake Casino for about a year after the conversion. It was used at our lake house on Mille Lacs for about 8 years before that
(I've since changed over to a VHF/UHF one because 9 & 11 went back to VHF at the conversion)
Antennas get both analog and digital. Don't let someone tell you that you need a "HDTV" antenna...no such thing and its just hype. An antenna that has been up for 20 years would work fine.
In fact, some of the old antennas are better designed than some of the newer Chinese made imitations, such as with Channel Master. A good antenna is a good antenna, digital or not.
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