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Well, I guess I meant not only the planning of how the repacking in Canada should go but also the actual implementation (approving specific construction permits for new transmitters).

The Rabbitears site lists most of the Canadian stations as being Phase 11. Does that mean that they will wait until after the U.S. stations have switched over to their new frequencies before making the frequency changes in Canada?

It is always possible that unexpected insights could be gained along the way that might cause some stations to petition for a change in plans.
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Canadian stations may transition after phase 10 if they don't impact our transition or prevent our wireless companies from operating in the TV band. So, for example, CIII-DT-22 in Stevenson, ON has to move from channel 22 to channel 33 in phase 3 because it prevents WDWO-CD from moving to channel 22. But CHCH-DT-2 doesn't move from 51 to 14 until Phase 10, because it doesn't block any TV stations from making their moves, but does prevent wireless companies from deploying near the border. Meanwhile, CIII-DT-4 is far enough from the border that whether it moves or not is irrelevant to the United States, so it's listed as "11" in the phase map, simply indicating that it's outside the 10 phases the US is using and doesn't have to transition to allow the US to complete the transition and turn on wireless.

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The first group of stations to move channels is scheduled for Nov. 30, 2018. I assume that's Phase 1. What are the dates for the other phases?
In answer to Brian's earlier question, here are the dates for the ten repack phases announced by the FCC:
  • Transition Phase 1: Testing Begins: 9/14/2018 Phase Ends: 11/30/2018
  • Transition Phase 2: Testing Begins: 12/1/2018 Phase Ends: 4/12/2019
  • Transition Phase 3: Testing Begins: 4/13/2019 Phase Ends: 6/21/2019
  • Transition Phase 4: Testing Begins: 6/22/2019 Phase Ends: 8/2/2019
  • Transition Phase 5: Testing Begins: 8/3/2019 Phase Ends: 9/6/2019
  • Transition Phase 6: Testing Begins: 9/7/2019 Phase Ends: 10/18/2019
  • Transition Phase 7: Testing Begins: 10/19/2019 Phase Ends: 1/17/2020
  • Transition Phase 8: Testing Begins: 1/18/2020 Phase Ends: 3/13/2020
  • Transition Phase 9: Testing Begins: 3/14/2020 Phase Ends: 5/1/2020
  • Transition Phase 10: Testing Begins: 5/2/2020 Phase Ends: 7/3/2020
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For those of you that have been going blind trying to read the FCC's Excel spreadsheet, TVNewsCheck has done a nice job of presenting stations' current and future channel assignments here (alphabetical by state):

https://newscheckmedia.sharefile.com...2a981ba8e4372a
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For those of you that have been going blind trying to read the FCC's Excel spreadsheet, TVNewsCheck has done a nice job of presenting stations' current and future channel assignments here (alphabetical by state):

https://newscheckmedia.sharefile.com...2a981ba8e4372a
Looks like they accidentally reversed the column headers for new and current.
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Looks like they accidentally reversed the column headers for new and current.
You are correct. They put all that effort into it and then reversed the column headers. Murphy's law at work.
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Detailed Summary of Repack SCHEDULE DATES....Viewers should start Rescans on their local area's TESTING BEGIN DATE:
FCC Announces Auction Results and Sets TV Repack Deadlines ? Comm Law Center ? April 13, 2017

Search fol. FCC TEXT FILE for CALL LETTERS for one of your Local TV Stations that is being RELOCATED:
http://data.fcc.gov/download/incenti...Closing_PN.csv
Last Entry is Completion Date, Next to Last Entry is TESTING BEGIN DATE:
FACILITY_ID,CALL_SIGN,PHASE,FROM_CHANNEL,TO_CHANNE L,LINKED_INDICATOR,PHASE_START_DATE,TESTING_BEGIN_ DATE,PHASE_COMPLETION_DATE

OR use fol. RabbitEars Map Webpage to show each Stage until you see YOUR Area(s):
https://www.rabbitears.info/phasemap...nel=52&phase=1

Additional Maps, incl. showing WHO WON WHAT & WHERE [Verizon & Sprint chose to NOT BID....but DISH did....hmmm, I smell a merger]:
http://www.spectrumgateway.com/600-mhz-spectrum


FYI: My SOCAL Area is scheduled to Begin Testing on 1Dec2018 and completion of 10Apr2019.

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diginets - new model for DTV stations to get money?

Back in the Analog days local stations could sell local ad's and insert them into programs at specific times. A model that is followed for NFL games for sure. That's how they made money.

Now with the rise of Diginets which are my main DTV viewing, I see perhaps a new model emerging, the Diginets perhaps paying stations to carry their programming.

When I asked for program listing be added for two Diginets on a station they quickly disappeared. The Spanish sales force could not sell ad's for the two English language Diginets and when management found out they were broadcasting them with no money coming in they were toast.

A more desirable Diginet (Movies!), I just got the aspect ratio corrected to 16:9 and the local station ran a promo just before the news leader program in the area Saturday with the "Over the Air Channel 2.3 and Comcast Channel 195" added to the Promo. A prime spot close to actually being in the news program. Very unusual.

I do not say that the Diginets with ad's like "Clear TV Key Antenna" and Lawyers are paying the stations, clearly the local stations could make a few more bucks running a local ad but are not.

Movies! And ad's on other Diginets are higher quality IMHO and might be making so much money that paying the stations might be happening.

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Now with the rise of Diginets which are my main DTV viewing, I see perhaps a new model emerging, the Diginets perhaps paying stations to carry their programming.
It's already happening. It's how GetTV, the Katz Networks, and many of the Weigel networks (not MeTV, as far as I know) operate, to my knowledge.

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Will there be a period of time where stations will operate both their old channel and the new channel? Or when the test phase begins will the old channel go dark? Looks like the old channel may have to use a temporary antenna while the new channel antenna is placed on top of the tower.
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Will there be a period of time where stations will operate both their old channel and the new channel? Or when the test phase begins will the old channel go dark? Looks like the old channel may have to use a temporary antenna while the new channel antenna is placed on top of the tower.
There may be a short period of accidental simulcasting for some stations when they test the new facilities but have not shut down the old facilities (assuming the station didn't have to take down its old antenna to mount the new one or has an auxiliary antenna), but simulcasting is not generally the plan. Instead, the FCC is requiring stations to air viewer notifications to let them know when a station will be changing channels so that viewers can rescan, etc. when that occurs. Stations also have to notify cable operators, who often rely on a station's OTA signal to obtain the broadcast programming they retransmit to subscribers.
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wtf. is this what just happened to my Tivo? About 500 channels just got added and my station list is insane.
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wtf. is this what just happened to my Tivo? About 500 channels just got added and my station list is insane.
Comcast appears to have done a huge change, do you have their cable?
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Comcast appears to have done a huge change, do you have their cable?
I do. today they added seemingly their entire lineup again to the end of the channel list in Chicago Area 2,3...... from 1000+

I'm not sure what I should do. I always edit my channel list to only the ones I want - but when there are now two and the originals are the ones with my season passes, what do I do?

I can't seem to find news on this.
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I do. today they added seemingly their entire lineup again to the end of the channel list in Chicago Area 2,3...... from 1000+

I'm not sure what I should do. I always edit my channel list to only the ones I want - but when there are now two and the originals are the ones with my season passes, what do I do?

I can't seem to find news on this.
I don't think this is related to the repack. The repack may affect how Comcast will get some OTA stations' signals, but it won't affect how they rebroadcast them to you.

Sounds more like a Rovi issue to me....
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I haven't seen a post with the link to the complete FCC report so here it is:

https://www.fcc.gov/document/fcc-ann...tive-auction-0

I found Paragraph #60 LPTV stations have until July 13, 2021 to convert to digital. LPTV digital stations can continue to operate indefinitely on channel 38-51 until told that a wireless company will begin operations are they will cause interference.
Maybe a dumb question - you reference LPTV stations but this also applies to translators? And if a translator channel is already in the new spectrum, I suppose they can stay unless they interfere with full-power stations after they migrate to their new channel?

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you reference LPTV stations but this also applies to translators?
Yes, it does.

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if a translator channel is already in the new spectrum, I suppose they can stay unless they interfere with full-power stations after they migrate to their new channel?
They can stay indefinitely until the new license-holding wireless company kicks them off their old 38-51 operating channel.
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They can stay indefinitely until the new license-holding wireless company kicks them off their old 38-51 operating channel.
I was referring to a translator (or LPTV) already on a channel in the new spectrum. Say the channel is currently on 20. While they are safe from broadband on channel 20, when the full-power stations that have new channel assignments migrate to those new channels then a translator or LPTV on channel 20 would have to move and/or apply for a new channel (if available) if the translator/LPFM causes "new" interference to a full-power station.

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I think they can stay until the testing date for the transition phase of the station that's displacing them. They know that's coming, of course; there's supposed to be a filing window early in 2018 when they can apply for a new channel. Not sure how it gets resolved if more than one station applies for the same "new" channel: FCFS? Lottery?
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In answer to Brian's earlier question, here are the dates for the ten repack phases announced by the FCC:
  • Transition Phase 1: Testing Begins: 9/14/2018 Phase Ends: 11/30/2018
  • Transition Phase 2: Testing Begins: 12/1/2018 Phase Ends: 4/12/2019
  • Transition Phase 3: Testing Begins: 4/13/2019 Phase Ends: 6/21/2019
  • Transition Phase 4: Testing Begins: 6/22/2019 Phase Ends: 8/2/2019
  • Transition Phase 5: Testing Begins: 8/3/2019 Phase Ends: 9/6/2019
  • Transition Phase 6: Testing Begins: 9/7/2019 Phase Ends: 10/18/2019
  • Transition Phase 7: Testing Begins: 10/19/2019 Phase Ends: 1/17/2020
  • Transition Phase 8: Testing Begins: 1/18/2020 Phase Ends: 3/13/2020
  • Transition Phase 9: Testing Begins: 3/14/2020 Phase Ends: 5/1/2020
  • Transition Phase 10: Testing Begins: 5/2/2020 Phase Ends: 7/3/2020
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Sinclair is getting ready for both the post-incentive auction repack and the expected FCC approval, by the end of the year, of rolling out the new ATSC 3.0

Rohde & Schwarz said Wednesday that Sinclair had bought a new high-power UHF transmitter that will be part of Sinclair's post-auction station repack. Almost 1,000 stations are having to move channels over the next 39 months as the FCC frees up the 84 MHz spectrum it reclaimed from broadcasters in the auction.

Broadcasters are being moved from channels 2-51 to 2-37 (losing 14 six MHz channels) in 10 phases.

The transmitter broadcasts in both ATSC and ATSC 3.0 (COFDM) and the company says Sinclair will be able to save up to 50% in energy costs.

"We purchased this Rohde & Schwarz transmitter as part of our planning process to get a head start on the repack project,” Harvey Arnold, VP of engineering for Sinclair Broadcast Group, said in a statement. “The compact footprint and efficiency of these new solid-state transmitters offer a very viable option for Sinclair to replace IOT transmitters [inductive output tube] no longer supported by original manufacturers during repack," he said.
Where to find your local TV station location and RF channel assignment. Anything over 38 will need to be reassigned and moving to ATSC 3.0 will probably wait for the repack/reassignment.

In my area, Tampa, this is Phase 7 which ends Jan 2020. The other channels that are not moving may or may not support ATSC 3.0 earlier with a Simulcast scheme.

Not moving

Channel assignment 8.1 actual RF channel 8
Channel assignment 3.1 actual RF channel 13
Channel assignment 13.1 actual RF channel 12
Channel assignment 10.1 actual RF channel 10
Channel assignment 16.1 actual RF channel 34
Channel assignment 28.1 actual RF channel 29
Channel assignment 38.1 actual RF channel 32
Channel assignment 40.1 actual RF channel 24
Channel assignment 32.1 actual RF channel 19

Moving Jan 2020

Channel assignment 50.1 actual RF channel 47 (WFTT) 50.3 is Sony's GET TV UniMás owned
Channel assignment 44.1 actual RF channel 44 (WTOG) CBS
Channel assignment 39.1 actual RF channel 39 (WSNN) Citadel Communications by LDB media,
Channel assignment 66.1 actual RF channel 42 (Ion Network WXPX)

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Channel assignment 66.1 actual RF channel 66 (Ion Network WXPX)

WXPX RF channel is 42. Channel 66 hasn't been used since the 2009 digital transition.
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In my area, Tampa, this is Phase 8 which begins Jan 2020.
Tampa is phase 7, not #8.
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Tampa is phase 7, not #8.
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General question, local example

Do we yet know what happens to local translators? This is of interest to my area because our main NBC affiliate is going from 32 down to 2 -- but has translators on 41 and 30, if memory serves.

On the current frequencies, folks around here are getting great reception -- but I understand there are special challenges for low VHF antenna reception. (Relatives in the Roanoke, VA, area ran into trouble with the PBS affiliate on 3.)

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LPTV and translators were not protected in the auction process, so they have to find their own new channels and fund their own relocation costs. They will have an opportunity to file for those new channels probably near the end of the year, depending on the timing on other parts of the process.

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For those of you that have been going blind trying to read the FCC's Excel spreadsheet, TVNewsCheck has done a nice job of presenting stations' current and future channel assignments here (alphabetical by state):

https://newscheckmedia.sharefile.com...2a981ba8e4372a
Thanks for the link. However the New York City one is not complete. It lists NYW, PXN and CBS but not NBC, unless I'm missing something.
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Thanks for the link. However the New York City one is not complete. It lists NYW, PXN and CBS but not NBC, unless I'm missing something.
You may be better served by the RabbitEars listings, included in the first post. Here's New York City:

https://www.rabbitears.info/repackch...1&owner=&sort=

You can see that WNBC was bought in the auction. Comcast separately announced it will be channel sharing on the WNJU signal.

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Thanks for the link. However the New York City one is not complete. It lists NYW, PXN and CBS but not NBC, unless I'm missing something.
WNBC isn't getting a new channel. The frequency was sold in the auction. WNBC's programming will move to WNJU in a channel-sharing arrangement. Scroll back a page or two for the discussion if you like. Basically, WNJU will have NBC and Telemundo and possibly TeleXitos and Cozi all on the one channel.

I speculated earlier that it wouldn't surprise me to see them change WNJU's call letters to WNBC. You just don't dump flagship call letters in market number one.
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