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My tv is capable of getting 1080i, but it doesn't have a DVI interface, only component, and there is no way that I know of to get 1080i from my dvd's w/o this DVI interface...So how am I suppose to get this from dvd's? Wait for HD-DVD? Is there a converter box or something that will give dvd's 1080i? ANY HELP WOULD BE APPRECIATED!!!!!!!!

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Well, DVD's only have 480 lines of vertical resolution. They just ain't gonna look like HDTV.

That said, progressive-scan DVD players can output 480p timing. This is close enough to 1080i that most HDTV's that will accept 1080i will also accept 480p on the same input.

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Try this Samsung DVD player which outputs in 720p or 1080i. Model
HD-931
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There are 2 DVD players that I am aware of which will do what you want, upconvert 480 to 1080i and output thru component, the Momitsu V880 and LiteOn LVD2001.

The Samsung 931 and Bravo D1 will only do this thru DVI.

Check out the DVD Players section of AVSForums for more info.

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Or use an HTPC. Still doesn't look like HD though.
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Or buy a scaler
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I'm assuming that your DVD player has component output (480p). Most HDTV's will upconvert the 480p signal on the 1080i component connection. That's what I'm doing with my set.
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hey,

how do you do that? another thing...When are dvd's going to look like HDTV???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't wait for this!

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When are dvd's going to look like HDTV???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't wait for this!
That is what we are all waiting for, dvd's were the best picture when they came out, now broadcast has passed it by & now we all are waiting for a mainstream movie format to take the lead again. (i say mainstream because you can get a d-theater player now & play a few (50+) movies in true 1080i)
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Current DVDs are 480p only, so upconverting to 1080i won't help since the source is not HD resolution. That won't happen until HD-DVD media and players are released, probably not for several years in the USA. For now you can receive HDTV programs and movies from a variety of channels from OTA, cable, or satellite - that can deliver 1080i over component video.
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hey,

how do you do that? another thing...When are dvd's going to look like HDTV???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't wait for this!

Thanks!!!

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By connecting the output of the DVD (480p component output) to the input of the display (1080i component input). In my case, I route the signals through my AV receiver which does the switching of multiple sources (HD STB, HiPix, DVD).

As for when HD-DVDs are going to arrive? Your guess is as good as the next person.
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I certainly am in disagreement with those that are saying that upscaling a DVD won't improve the picture, because it will. Of course it depends on the device which is doing the scaling.

Try it before passing judgement.

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Two points.

There are 3 HD DVD's available in WM-9 format. T-2, DVE and one other I forget. I have not seen them but sources who have indicate they are stunning.

Converting a progressive signal to an interlaced signal seems like a step backwards.
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I certainly am in disagreement with those that are saying that upscaling a DVD won't improve the picture, because it will. Of course it depends on the device which is doing the scaling.

Try it before passing judgement.

Bill
Careful, no one said it wouldn't improve the picture. We just said it won't look like HD, which it won't. No amount of farting around with 480p will make it look like 720p or 1080i.
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Originally posted by Ken Erickson
By connecting the output of the DVD (480p component output) to the input of the display (1080i component input). In my case, I route the signals through my AV receiver which does the switching of multiple sources (HD STB, HiPix, DVD).

As for when HD-DVDs are going to arrive? Your guess is as good as the next person.
I'm curious, why would going from 480p->1080i be better then going from 480i->1080i?

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I'm curious, why would going from 480p->1080i be better then going from 480i->1080i?

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It's all in the source. If you start with 2 sources of same image, different quality (480i v 480p) then when both are upconverted (not scaled) then you will see the difference in the 2 images. Just as you would if you displayed the 2 images nativelly (480i v 480p). Now, this does not take into account any artifacts that may be introduced with the upconversion process. In my case, I can't detect any difference between watching a DVD @ 480p native on my Mits 73907 versu watching the same DVD upconverted to 1080i. Bottom line: upconversion, by itself, is not going to improve the image.

If you have to ask what's the difference between 480i and 480p then I can only surmise that you haven't watched a DVD displayed @ 480p because if you have seen it you would know at a glance what was 480i and what was 480p. Like the difference between day and night.
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There are 3 HD DVD's available in WM-9 format. T-2, DVE and one other I forget.
There's a WM9 version of DVE??
That's news to me.
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My apologies. I guess I made a bad assumtion, I thought that both 480i and 1080i were 60 fields per second, so they would match up/scale better then 480p.

I am not up on my terminology, you say "...when both are upconverted (not scaled)..."; I thought that whenever you went from one resolution (480) to another resolution (1080) it is called scaling. I assumed that "upconverted" meant the direction of the scaling.

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I'm curious, why would going from 480p->1080i be better then going from 480i->1080i?

Thanks,
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Keep in mind the MPEG data on a DVD is 480i NOT 480P. You get 480P by de-interlacing the 480i which works very well on film material. For video origionated material, all bets are off. It depends on the quality of the de-interlacer inside the DVD player.

Some of us actually pull the 480i signal out of the DVD player in digital form (SDI) to feed a scaler. This however requires a modified DVD player and a scaler that accepts SDI input.

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