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Interesting. UK broadcasters don't agree either. Our DVB-T2 PSB3 (aka BBC B) mux - which is 40.25Mbs carries BBC One HD, BBC Two HD, CBBC HD, ITV HD, C4 HD, C5 HD which are all 1920x1080/50i originated and Film4+1 544x576/50i SD - all in H264. They are statmuxing AND using dynamic 25p/50i encoder switching on a GOP-by-GOP basis to use 25p H264 encoding when the content looks to be 25p originated (as it improves picture quality at a given bitrate by enough to be deemed worthwhile)

This may be of interest : http://www.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.ph...ng=en&mux=BBCB (There's an error in the grid which describes Film4+1 as 1920x1080 - it's 544x576 SD)

As you can see all the 1080i streams vary between around 1Mbs and around 15Mbs (some peak higher, some peak lower) with an average of around 4.5-5Mbs... Being able to peak at three times your average bandwith will definitely have some benefits on demanding content I suspect. (CBBC is currently off-air after 2100 - and carries a very undemanding holding caption - so will improve statmuxing elsewhere I suspect. Until BBC Three went on-line only, CBBC HD closed down at 1900 and the same stream carried BBC Three HD from 1900 until it closed down in the early hours)

(This may also be of interest - it's the German H265/HEVC DVB-T2 mux, of which two channels - ARD and ZDF - are FTA. I think at least one - ZDF? - is 1920x1080/50p - yep 1080/50p not 50i - and nothing is going over 6Mbs and is averaging 2.5-3Mbs.

http://www.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.ph...mux=FREENET_TV

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What? the Germans and Brits doing tech stuff better than we do???? What a shock

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Comcast Taps Arris, Technicolor for ‘XB6’ Gateways: Sources

Arris version powered by Intel silicon, Technicolor-made model to use Broadcom chipset


Comcast has tapped Arris and Technicolor as its first two suppliers for the XB6, a DOCSIS 3.1-powered, multi-gigabit advanced gateway that the MSO plans to start rolling out in the first quarter of 2017, according to multiple industry sources.

Comcast declined to name its XB6 suppliers, but confirmed that its first version of the product will employ Intel’s Corp.’s Puma 7 chipset, and that it is also designing a version that will run on silicon from Broadcom.

Sources said the first Intel-based XB6 model is being made by Arris, and that Technicolor is working on the Broadcom-based model.

Though Comcast is sourcing those products to Arris and Technicolor (Technicolor acquired Cisco Systems's consumer premises equipment business in 2015), Comcast took the reins on the hardware design for the XB6.

Comcast is preparing to accelerate the deployment of the XB6 as it looks to expand its deployment of DOCSIS 3.1 and 1-gig residential broadband service to additional markets in 2017 and as it gets ready to unleash a new “Digital Home” offering announced at CES today that aims to smarten up and simplify the provisioning and management of customer in-home networks.

Compatible with DOCSIS 3.0 and newer DOCSIS 3.1 networks, the XB6 also supports MoCA 2.0, dual-band 802.11ac WiFi, ZigBee, Bluetooth LE (low energy), as well as ports for digital voice services.

Comcast has also hinted at a retail strategy for the XB6, which will employ a new self-install system.

“We are taking this to retail,” Brian Roberts, Comcast’s chairman and CEO, said of the XB6 in September at the Goldman Sachs Communacopia Conference.

http://www.multichannel.com/news/cab...sources/409944
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Comcast Taps Arris, Technicolor for ‘XB6’ Gateways: Sources

Arris version powered by Intel silicon, Technicolor-made model to use Broadcom chipset


Comcast has tapped Arris and Technicolor as its first two suppliers for the XB6, a DOCSIS 3.1-powered, multi-gigabit advanced gateway that the MSO plans to start rolling out in the first quarter of 2017, according to multiple industry sources.

Comcast declined to name its XB6 suppliers, but confirmed that its first version of the product will employ Intel’s Corp.’s Puma 7 chipset, and that it is also designing a version that will run on silicon from Broadcom.

Sources said the first Intel-based XB6 model is being made by Arris, and that Technicolor is working on the Broadcom-based model.

Though Comcast is sourcing those products to Arris and Technicolor (Technicolor acquired Cisco Systems's consumer premises equipment business in 2015), Comcast took the reins on the hardware design for the XB6.

Comcast is preparing to accelerate the deployment of the XB6 as it looks to expand its deployment of DOCSIS 3.1 and 1-gig residential broadband service to additional markets in 2017 and as it gets ready to unleash a new “Digital Home” offering announced at CES today that aims to smarten up and simplify the provisioning and management of customer in-home networks.

Compatible with DOCSIS 3.0 and newer DOCSIS 3.1 networks, the XB6 also supports MoCA 2.0, dual-band 802.11ac WiFi, ZigBee, Bluetooth LE (low energy), as well as ports for digital voice services.

Comcast has also hinted at a retail strategy for the XB6, which will employ a new self-install system.

“We are taking this to retail,” Brian Roberts, Comcast’s chairman and CEO, said of the XB6 in September at the Goldman Sachs Communacopia Conference.

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This as I understand is part of the move to all IPTV on Cable TV's roadmap and part of the reason for Vidipath as ATSC 3.0 and the UHD blu-ray digital bridge proposal all support IPTV over the home network. No cable box required as every CE platform with a TEE, HTML5 and embedded DRM can support everything on the home network. If a platform can support UHD Blu-ray it can support all.
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CEO Brian Roberts also answered analyst Craig Moffett's questions about whether the company's MVNO partnership with Verizon might be the final stage of Comcast's wireless ambitions, or whether the company might go further, implicitly asking if Comcast has the intention to buy a wireless carrier in the future. Roberts responded, "I believe that we'll find out, but we're hoping that [the MVNO deal is] an end-state strategy and that it's sustainable."
The answer from Roberts confirmed Moffett's own conclusion in an earlier research note where he declared, "The market's expectation that Comcast will buy their way into the wireless market stems from the widely-held view that the Verizon MVNO can't possibly be a satisfactory strategy. But the MVNO may be getting a bad rap ... At the very least, we think Comcast and Charter will wait to see what comes of their hybrid MVNO/MNO network before even considering buying wireless."
On Comcast's future in a 5G world, executives also provided a little more color today on how they expect the cable company to play a role. The CEO of Comcast's cable business, Neil Smit, said Comcast is testing the ability of its network to support 5G rollouts, noting that the new wireless technology will need cost-effective real estate, power and backhaul.
"We have, call it 150,000 miles of fiber across 650,000 miles of total plant," said Smith, "and we think that we're well-positioned to participate in the 5G rollout no matter how it happens as the result of having all those assets in place already."

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Roku, Comcast Kick Off Xfinity TV App Beta Trial

In-home IP video app, for select Roku models, supports MSO’s live TV, VOD and cloud DVR services

Roku has begun to release a beta version of the Xfinity TV app for select Roku models that feature an X1-style guide along with support for most elements of Comcast’s in-home pay TV service, including live TV, VOD, and cloud DVR recordings.

The beta, only for Comcast customers, debut arrives nearly nine months after Comcast introduced the Xfinity TV Partner Program. At the time, Comcast announced that Samsung was its first smart TV partner for the program and that an app for the Roku platform was under development. Comcast is working on integrating its HTML5 app for Samsung TVs, with a goal to launch a beta app for that platform later this year. Those will be the first TV-connected version of the app from Comcast, complementing earlier versions developed for smartphones, tablets and Web browsers.


Early on, the Xfinity TV beta app will be supported on Roku TV models and all Roku players released in the “last couple of years,” Andrew Ferrone, VP of pay TV at Roku, and Michael DelCiello, VP of strategic partnerships and business development at Comcast, explained in a joint statement. That batch of eligible models includes the Roku Express, Roku Express+, Roku Streaming Stick (model 3600), Roku Premiere, Roku Premiere+, Roku Ultra, Roku 4 (model 4400), Roku 3 (model 4230 and 4200), and Roku 2 (model 4210).

To access Comcast’s video service on the Roku, which will also include Public Educational and Governmental (PEG) channels, customers will need to download the Xfinity TV app from the Roku channel store, install it, and input their service credentials. Per the description of the app, it will support many but not all features offered with X1 on traditional boxes: "Not all X1 features will be available in the XFINITY TV Beta app, but we are working diligently to implement additional functionality in future releases," it reads. "Some content restrictions apply."

Update: Transactional content (rental or digital purchases) will not be available via the app during the beta, Comcast confirmed. Because it’s an in-home cable service, blackouts and other mobile content restrictions would not apply, the company added. That restriction is also reflected in this just-posted FAQ about the beta, which also noted that "SAP [secondary audio programming] may experience intermittent availability in the XFINITY TV Beta app." Comcast allows customers to stream their cable service to as many as five devices simultaneously (i.e. a mix of Roku devices and mobile devices and PCs) in the home.

Ferrone and DelCiello added that Comcast and Roku expect to expand support to more Roku player models throughout the beta period and as part of the app’s official/commercial launch, expected to occur later this year.

Notably, data delivered via the Xfinity TV app to Roku boxes will be exempt from Comcast’s usage-based Internet policies because it’s not an OTT service, but rather a “Title VI” cable service that is delivered into the home via a separately managed, private IP video path that does not mingle with public Internet traffic shipped on Comcast’s network. For the app to work, the Roku must be connected to the customer's in-home Xfinity WiFi network.



During the trial phase, users of the app will need to have at least one Comcast-provided set-top box and a compatible Xfinity IP gateway in their home. And while Roku boxes aren’t supported as a primary outlet during the beta period, customers will be able to use the app on supported Roku devices as their primary outlet once the app is formally launched.

But customers will still need a compatible IP gateway to utilize the app on Roku. Current Comcast high-speed Internet customers won’t require any additional equipment because their gateways can also be used as a cable service gateway for the Xfinity TV app for Roku. However, for Comcast video subs who don’t take a high-speed Internet service from the MSO, Comcast is also working to make the required cable-only gateway equipment available soon, but has not announced a release date for that.


Update: According to Bloomberg, Comcast subs who use a Roku as their primary device (rather than a regular set-top) will get a $2.50 monthly credit.

Comcast has not announced other CE companies that have hopped aboard the Xfinity TV Partner Program, though Comcast demonstrated the Xfinity TV app running on the Android TV-powered Nvidia Shield console at last year’s INTX show in Boston. Last April, Comcast Cable president and CEO Neil Smit said more than 40 companies had inquired about the program.

Though Comcast has not identified any other partners by name, the operator said there continues to be much interest in the Xfinity TV Partner Program and that it is actively engaged with many companies and expects to have more announcements later this year.

Like its new app for the Roku platform, Comcast is using a similar non-OTT approach for Stream, a skinny-bundle IPTV offering for mobile devices that’s selling for about $15 per month in markets such as Chicago and Boston. Comcast said the current plan is to roll out that product across its footprint sometime in 2017.

Comcast’s app integration on Roku marks a step toward broader use of retail devices that remove the need for pay TV subs to rent set-tops from their MVPDs, and an effort that stems back to the old CableCARD regime.

The cable industry has been adamant in its stance that market forces, rather than more government mandates, should pave the path forward for retail video devices.

The FCC, under former chairman Tom Wheeler, pushed hard for a new set of set-top rules, but new Ajit Pai, the new FCC chairman, announced today that the set-top rules proposal has been pulled, a decision that is considered a victory for the cable industry.



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So you still have to rent Comcast equipment. No thanks.
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Yeah, read that during the trial period, you won't have to pay for having the ROKU as your box. After the BETA, they will discuss the price they will charge. F THAT!!!! The reason to have this is to get rid of the stupid box rental fees. Should be free.
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Would this allow them to also offer content in 4K, while we wait for them to finally release a box that can do 4K?

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So are they going to charge an outlet fee per Roku that is set up? Or for all of them in the house? Or not? It's unclear in that article. It does suck that you have to have their crappy gateway contraption though.
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I am confused. Does this require, or will it require, you to have your Internet service from Comcast? Our setups are as follows:
1. In Miami we have a condo where the HOA includes much of what Comcast has to offer including HBO, SHO etc. the only Internet that's available is from Comcast- for which we pay extra. We have 2 DVR boxes and a DTA. Also have a new Roku Premiere+.
2. In Oakland we have one DVR, a DTA and fairly low level package from Comcast. We can get the upper tier packages by making use of HBOGo, ESPNGo, SHOGo etc. - tuning via a Roku device there. High-speed Internet is provided by a subsidiary of Google.

Assuming that cloud storage gives you the same time shifting functionality that a DVR does, I can see paying a "reasonable" amount for that storage. Unfortunately, the new president is not consumer friendly. The cable industry will get almost everything they asked for from the FCC. We do almost all of our TV viewing on a timeshifted basis. I watch sporting events an hour or two after they start so by the time they are over I am pretty much caught up in real time.

Is this Roku/Xfinity "joint-venture" available to DL now?
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From the Comcast site.

There will be no additional outlet charge for the Roku device during the Beta trial; standard charges may apply after the trial.


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I am confused. Does this require, or will it require, you to have your Internet service from Comcast? Our setups are as follows:
1. In Miami we have a condo where the HOA includes much of what Comcast has to offer including HBO, SHO etc. the only Internet that's available is from Comcast- for which we pay extra. We have 2 DVR boxes and a DTA. Also have a new Roku Premiere+.
2. In Oakland we have one DVR, a DTA and fairly low level package from Comcast. We can get the upper tier packages by making use of HBOGo, ESPNGo, SHOGo etc. - tuning via a Roku device there. High-speed Internet is provided by a subsidiary of Google.
It *appears* that after the trial period, you would be able to get the internet gateway in Oakland from Comcast, just without open internet, so that the Roku can access Comcast's IPTV network. My guess is that it would allow computers to connect, but they would only be able to go to Comcast.com, XFinity.com, tv.xfinity.com, etc, not the real internet. In your case, you'd end up with two different networks, one for Webpass/internet, and one for Comcast/tv.

Based on what I read above, during the trial period, you would only be able to access it in Miami.
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Would I be correct in assuming that the video quality on the app would be the same 720p down rezzed crap I get on my X1 box?
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Since October each month I receive 2 letters from Comcast. One is my bill with a charge that I am unwilling to pay because it is for rental of Internet/Video equipment that I don't have as I own my modem and need no box as my Moxie DVR (with cablecard) handles decoding. I call and talk to my Indian brothers and sisters, explain who I am, Verify myself, have them pull bill and tell me they are sorry, they will fix it and rebate the $10 charge. Next letter is form letter saying survey of my account sees that I am not paying for Internet/Video equipment and a $10 charge will be on next bill. I have done this dance at 1/2 hour wasted each month.

A new Roku instead of cable box? Pays for itself in 10 Months. No Brainer. Tell you how much later? Slows me down.
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The below section needs more clarification,

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During the trial phase, users of the app will need to have at least one Comcast-provided set-top box and a compatible Xfinity IP gateway in their home. And while Roku boxes aren’t supported as a primary outlet during the beta period, customers will be able to use the app on supported Roku devices as their primary outlet once the app is formally launched.

But customers will still need a compatible IP gateway to utilize the app on Roku. Current Comcast high-speed Internet customers won’t require any additional equipment because their gateways can also be used as a cable service gateway for the Xfinity TV app for Roku. However, for Comcast video subs who don’t take a high-speed Internet service from the MSO, Comcast is also working to make the required cable-only gateway equipment available soon, but has not announced a release date for that.
What is a "compatible Xfinity IP gateway"? And, what gateways do Comcast customers already have? If they are talking about Comcast-rented/supplied equipment it should be made clear as the way it's presented in that article it's not clear at all. I believe they are talking about Comcast equipment, but the way they've used the word is in a more generic sense.
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Would I be correct in assuming that the video quality on the app would be the same 720p down rezzed crap I get on my X1 box?
Certainly not any better than that and quite possibly worse.
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Certainly not any better than that and quite possibly worse.
Occasionally I connect my computer to my 4K TV and watch Comcast content. I find the quality of the Comcast content from the PC to be quite good.
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Occasionally I connect my computer to my 4K TV and watch Comcast content. I find the quality of the Comcast content from the PC to be quite good.
I just tried via my Roku and the beta app works(which seems contrary to what was stated above regarding required equipment), and it looks okay. Not much on right now to give it a critical look but so far it seems decent.
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Comcast Brings Xfinity TV to Roku Boxes

Further expanding the reach of its popular digital cable service, Comcast is introducing a beta version of a new Xfinity TV app for Roku media streaming devices throughout its 50-million-home footprint, with the aim of launching the service commercially sometime later this year.

Comcast Corp. (Nasdaq: CMCSA, CMCSK), which has previously come out with Xfinity TV apps for mobile devices and plans to launch the service on smart TVs from Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd. (Korea: SEC) later this year, said the new app will offer most of Xfinity TV's features, including access to live, on-demand and DVR programming and the X1 programming guide, on many of the latest Roku models. But features specific to the X1 IPTV set-top, such as the voice remote and sports app, will not be available to Roku users, at least not initially. While final pricing has not been set, Roku customers will not pay any extra fees for use of the Xfinity app during the beta phase.

The move by Comcast comes after years of lobbying efforts by Roku Inc. officials to persuade major pay-TV providers to put their TV apps on Roku devices. Although the former Time Warner Cable struck a deal with Roku to do that nearly four years ago, other service providers have been cautious about following suit because of concerns about moving their content to unmanaged devices and losing full control over the viewing experience.

But that attitude has been shifting dramatically over the past couple of years, thanks to the continuing explosion of smartphones and tablets and the proven staying power of media streaming devices in the market. In the US, for instance, Roku has signed up such other major service providers as Charter Communications Inc. and CenturyLink Inc. (NYSE: CTL), while Dish Network LLC (Nasdaq: DISH)'s Sling TV OTT service began beta testing a cloud DVT service on Roku devices two months ago.

"There's no question Time Warner Cable was way out in front on that one," said Steve Shannon, GM and SVP of content and services for Roku. "But we have a lot of operator relationships now."

The Xfinity TV beta launch with Roku Inc. comes about nine months after Comcast announced its Xfinity TV Partner Program to put Xfinity apps on other large viewing devices. At that time, with cable operators and other pay-TV providers under pressure from the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) to "unlock" their proprietary set-top boxes, Comcast said it would partner with both Samsung and Roku to put TV apps on their devices.

Ironically enough, Comcast and Roku rolled out the beta trial today on the same day that new FCC Chairman Ajit Pai all but announced that the Republican-led Commission will drop its "Unlock the Box" proposal, which had been a major priority of former FCC chief Tom Wheeler.

Despite stiff competition from such heavyweights as Apple Inc. (Nasdaq: AAPL), Google (Nasdaq: GOOG) and Amazon.com Inc. (Nasdaq: AMZN), Roku continues to lead the market for OTT streaming media devices. In a study conducted by comScore Inc. last June, for example, Roku devices commanded 49% of the US market, easily beating Google's Chromecast entries, Amazon Fire TV and Apple TV. ComScore estimates that about 40% of US homes now have some kind of online streaming device hooked up to their TV sets.

Shannon said Roku now has about 13 million active user accounts globally, with most of those in the US. Given that Comcast has nearly a quarter of all US broadband subscribers, that means up to 3 million Comcast customers may have Roku devices in their homes.

With pay-TV apps for third-party set-tops and other video devices proliferating, are conventional cable, telco and satellite TV set-tops headed out the door? If so, Roku certainly wouldn't mind.
"We do root for the success of pay-TV," Shannon said. "We just want it to be on Roku."



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Analyst to Arris Investors: Relax About Comcast’s Roku App

Says set-top box market challenges offset by deployment of new IP gateways (Updated)

Although some Arris investors reacted poorly when Roku and Comcast announced the release of a new app for Roku devices that can be used in lieu of a traditional set-top box, an industry analyst held that it shouldn't have a big effect on Arris’s business with its largest customer.

Arris shares dropped sharply soon after the announcement was made at 1 p.m. ET today, but the stock quickly recovered. Arris shares closed down 14 cents (0.49%), to $28.58 each Tuesday.

While the news was expected (Roku and Comcast announced plans for the app about nine months ago), the market initially reacted otherwise, Simon Leopold, analyst with Raymond James, said today in a research note with the title: ARRS: The Sky is Not Falling, Roku at Comcast Is Not a Shock.

“Most, including us, see the traditional set top box (STB) as challenged, but offset by the deployment of next generation IP gateways and media boxes along with infrastructure to support them, and today's release does not alter our view on the trajectory,” Leopold wrote. “The initiative does not alter ARRIS' trajectory that includes increased Network & Cloud and Broadband sales while traditional STBs decline.”

And while the model to be employed by Comcast for Roku devices does allow for customers to get almost the full pay TV experience on Roku boxes bought at retail, it doesn’t seem to reflect a massive near-term shift in how the market functions today.

According to Bloomberg, Comcast subs who use a Roku as their primary device (rather than a regular set-top) will get a $2.50 monthly credit. However, the FAQ for the Xfinity TV app being tested on the Roku platform notes that customers won’t be on the hook for equipment charges regarding their use of Roku devices during the trial. But upon conclusion of the test “you will be informed of the charges that will apply for connecting this device with your XFINITY TV service and will have the opportunity to opt in,” it reads.

Update: Comcast clarified that, in or out of beta, there will be no equipment charges for use of the Xfinity TV app on a Roku. But out of beta, other fees associated with a customer’s account would apply, such as additional outlet charges. The company also confirmed that the app will be available to video subs who also subscribe to Gigabit Pro, Comcast's 2-Gig residential broadband service that uses FTTP technology.

Plus, those Roku/Xfinity TV app users will require an Xfinity IP gateway in their home – something that Arris also makes.

Also factoring into Arris’s favor the decision by new FCC chairman Ajit Pai to pull the plug on proposed new set-top box rules. The industry was already evolving to support retail devices using apps without the regulatory efforts, Leopold added.

He also does not expect the new Roku app from Comcast to have much of an impact on the MSO’s plan to have more than 60% (in the low-60 percentage range) of its video sub base on X1 by the end of 2017.

But Leopold speculated that the app, though initially available to customers in Comcast’s traditional service footprint, could position the MSO to compete out-of-region and take on virtual MVPD services like DirecTV Now.

For its part, Comcast has poured cold water on the idea, arguing repeatedly that the economics of an OTT-TV service don’t add up, at least for now.

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It's still unclear to me whether Comcast equipment will be required or not. Maybe the use of their gateway will be how they zero-rate the data usage for customers using the app, although, I don't know why they couldn't do that for just any old modem/router setup.

As far as I can tell, 'compatible' means anything that currently works with Comcast HSI. So given that, no additional Comcast equipment should be needed.
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is there a screen shot showing the app?

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is there a screen shot showing the app?
Took these with my phone, I don't have my Roku connected to a computer.

The app's opening screen, the guide, the OnDemand page, a sample of OD listings and then a live TV shot.
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Those with Comcast STBs will have to confirm but the guide look is the same as what's on their boxes if I recall correctly.
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Those with Comcast STBs will have to confirm but the guide look is the same as what's on their boxes if I recall correctly.
I just downloaded the Roku app for Xfinity and to these old eyes the picture quality is about the same but the guide needs ALOT of work. Hard to navigate, no filtering, no favorites but it is usable just not easy to use. Also, the Roku doesn't include Xfinity programs when you do a search for programs, maybe that will come later. A good step forward but needs alot of work.

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I just downloaded the Roku app for Xfinity and to these old eyes the picture quality is about the same but the guide needs ALOT of work. Hard to navigate, no filtering, no favorites but it is usable just not easy to use. Also, the Roku doesn't include Xfinity programs when you do a search for programs, maybe that will come later. A good step forward but needs alot of work.

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Yes, navigation improvements and ability to select favorites will have to happen for me to even consider using it for any length of time.

I will say it seems to work much smoother than the DirecTV Now app.

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It's still unclear to me whether Comcast equipment will be required or not. Maybe the use of their gateway will be how they zero-rate the data usage for customers using the app, although, I don't know why they couldn't do that for just any old modem/router setup.

As far as I can tell, 'compatible' means anything that currently works with Comcast HSI. So given that, no additional Comcast equipment should be needed.
The app works for me with my own non-Comcast modem. I use TiVo and have no Comcast equipment at all.
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The app works for me with my own non-Comcast modem. I use TiVo and have no Comcast equipment at all.
The same here, works with no Comcast equipment at all, the question is will it remain that way?
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My initial impressions of the app (had time to check it out for just a few minutes) is that the user experience like navigating the guide, changing the channels, etc. is much worse than my TiVo and I bet an X1 box as well, but this isn't really surprising. Also, PQ is not any better than the crappy down-rezzed picture coming through the STB. Also, there is no DD5.1 through the app.
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So if I am Using Moxie and Playon to navigate web offerings now it should stay the same if I go Roku for 4K?
(As long as they output mpeg2)
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