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post #181 of 2268 Old 07-28-2006, 07:42 AM
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Yes, the H20 will automatically switch resolutions based on what is tuned. You need to set the H20 to Native mode in order for it to do this. The easiest way to do this is in the on-screen menu.

well hopefully it's built into the new receiver too. I dont have H20 but someday will get the mpeg4 dvr. Though everything looks great on the crt at 1080 so i just leave it on that.

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Back on topic, had the 5lnb dish installed today after having the H20 since February. Everything seems to be working smoothly. For others who are taking the plunge, I was able to bet the H20 for free in February (after rebate). I was able to get the 5lnb dish and installation today for no cost, plus have the fee for Superfan (NFL Sunday Ticket) waived. So the whole thing cost me $0, or in actuality I came out $49 ahead. Call Customer Retention and get the same deal when you're ready to make the move to MPEG4.
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Called D* earlier today and was told I would have to pay 750 for the HR10-250. Asked for manager told 2 yr commitment I could get it for 399.99. Told them thanks but no thanks. Called retention tonight. Told them I want directv for nfl package, but its not worth 1000 dollars for hdtv. Told them the current deals cablevision and E* offered. D* then asked me what I wanted ideally. I told him dvr with local channels and all future mpeg4s. He offered a HR10-250 + H20 for same tv for 99 dollars with 2 yr commitment. Told him Im hesitant cause HR20-250 upgrade could be expensive, and Ill be locked in for 2 yrs. Also asked about OTA antenna and 5LNB dish. He then cut my cost to 50 dollars, threw in OTA antenna, 5 LNB dish, 10 dollar discount for 1 yr., superfan, and 10 dollar off hbo for 6 months. Im happy with this package for now. I just have to cross my fingers they dont try to rape me on the H20R upgrade. Total savings

HR10-250 $400
H20 50 off $50
1 yr 10 off $120
10 off hbo 6 mo. $60
free superfan $100
5 LNB dish $50
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Total savings $780

of course 50 is not really savings as I only need H20 because H10 does not do mpeg4, and it will cost me an additional 5 dollars a month.
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Called D* earlier today and was told I would have to pay 750 for the HR10-250. Asked for manager told 2 yr commitment I could get it for 399.99. Told them thanks but no thanks. Called retention tonight. Told them I want directv for nfl package, but its not worth 1000 dollars for hdtv. Told them the current deals cablevision and E* offered. D* then asked me what I wanted ideally. I told him dvr with local channels and all future mpeg4s. He offered a HR10-250 + H20 for same tv for 99 dollars with 2 yr commitment. Told him Im hesitant cause HR20-250 upgrade could be expensive, and Ill be locked in for 2 yrs. Also asked about OTA antenna and 5LNB dish. He then cut my cost to 50 dollars, threw in OTA antenna, 5 LNB dish, 10 dollar discount for 1 yr., superfan, and 10 dollar off hbo for 6 months. Im happy with this package for now. I just have to cross my fingers they dont try to rape me on the H20R upgrade. Total savings

HR10-250 $400
H20 50 off $50
1 yr 10 off $120
10 off hbo 6 mo. $60
free superfan $100
5 LNB dish $50
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Total savings $780

of course 50 is not really savings as I only need H20 because H10 does not do mpeg4, and it will cost me an additional 5 dollars a month.

Awesome bit of negotiating.

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Does anyone know if Directv can replace my 3lnb to the slimline 5lnb ?

Is it even available yet ?
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Called D* earlier today and was told I would have to pay 750 for the HR10-250. Asked for manager told 2 yr commitment I could get it for 399.99. Told them thanks but no thanks. Called retention tonight. Told them I want directv for nfl package, but its not worth 1000 dollars for hdtv. Told them the current deals cablevision and E* offered. D* then asked me what I wanted ideally. I told him dvr with local channels and all future mpeg4s. He offered a HR10-250 + H20 for same tv for 99 dollars with 2 yr commitment. Told him Im hesitant cause HR20-250 upgrade could be expensive, and Ill be locked in for 2 yrs. Also asked about OTA antenna and 5LNB dish. He then cut my cost to 50 dollars, threw in OTA antenna, 5 LNB dish, 10 dollar discount for 1 yr., superfan, and 10 dollar off hbo for 6 months. Im happy with this package for now. I just have to cross my fingers they dont try to rape me on the H20R upgrade. Total savings

HR10-250 $400
H20 50 off $50
1 yr 10 off $120
10 off hbo 6 mo. $60
free superfan $100
5 LNB dish $50
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Total savings $780

of course 50 is not really savings as I only need H20 because H10 does not do mpeg4, and it will cost me an additional 5 dollars a month.


I don't understand the initial quoted price. ($750.00) Since D* has moved to a leasing structure, they shouldn't be selling you a box. The only thing you would need to pay for barring any deal would be the shipping and/or installation charge. You would then be charged a monthly lease fee. Some say it replaces the mirror charge, but so far on my bill it looks like it's a separate charge. What everyone who is getting the deals on the DVR and H20/5 LNB are getting for free is the shipping and installation charges.
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I'm getting the H20, the Directv guy came to install it, and told me the shabby piece of 1X6 hanging off my apartment wouldn't support it. He also told me there were 3 mounting arms coming up to the dish itself off the wall.(?) The building manager won't allow me to mount it to the roof, so I have to reinforce the lip off the roof. Not a problem cause I have friends in construction. My problem is how much supported surface area do I need? I mean I can't redo the whole side of the building, and all my research shows there are not 3 mounting brackets with 3 arms. Can some one help me clear this up. I will be getting the 5 LNB Dish.
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I don't understand the initial quoted price. ($750.00) Since D* has moved to a leasing structure, they shouldn't be selling you a box. The only thing you would need to pay for barring any deal would be the shipping and/or installation charge. You would then be charged a monthly lease fee. Some say it replaces the mirror charge, but so far on my bill it looks like it's a separate charge. What everyone who is getting the deals on the DVR and H20/5 LNB are getting for free is the shipping and installation charges.

I have never heard of HR10-250s being given away in the new leasing paradigm. They "give away" the H20s to markets where MPEG4 is on the air to facilitate the customer swap outs. This swap out accelleration benefits them tremendously. Even still, if you don't know what you are doing they will ask $99 for an H20 in an MPEG 4 market.

When the new MPEG4 DVR comes out all of them will be leased and I would bet they come with a discounted up front fee and another 2 year committment. My guess is that it will be about $200-$300, but who knows. They have to do that to cover their sunk costs of development, manufacturing, and distribution. Air time rates alone are too long of an ROI.

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I have never heard of HR10-250s being given away in the new leasing paradigm. They "give away" the H20s to markets where MPEG4 is on the air to facilitate the customer swap outs. This swap out accelleration benefits them tremendously. Even still, if you don't know what you are doing they will ask $99 for an H20 in an MPEG 4 market.

When the new MPEG4 DVR comes out all of them will be leased and I would bet they come with a discounted up front fee and another 2 year committment. My guess is that it will be about $200-$300, but who knows. They have to do that to cover their sunk costs of development, manufacturing, and distribution. Air time rates alone are too long of an ROI.

In some cases, they will give a free HR10-250. It helps if one is a Sunday Ticket subscribers (supposedly there are exceptions, however).

I just got a H20. They didn't offer any deal, but the CSR said I could save the shipping charge if I bought it at Best Buy instead of from DTV.

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D* told me all of my new equipment is "leased" however there is not a monthly fee. Basically it just means you pay less up front, but if you leave or upgrade you have to give it back to D*. They are selling the HR10-250 for 750, and leasing it for 399 with 2 yr agreement. The H20 is being leased for 99 dollars, but this fee can of course be waived.
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I have never heard of HR10-250s being given away in the new leasing paradigm.

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What I was responding to was whether a new subscriber, or an existing non-HD DVR customer, can call up and EXPECT a free HR10-250 under the new leasing policies. The answer is that there is no such effort under the leasing policy and it ain't happening without a lot of skill, negotiation, and patience, per the post by NYUPIPE.

If there is such a policy NYUPIPE would have gotten one without any problems. If you read the tivo forum closely you must already have a HR10-250 AND you must subscribe to NFLST. The hardware cost recovery is hidden in the ST profit margin.

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When is the 5LNB slimline dish comming out?
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When is the 5LNB slimline dish comming out?

I haven't seen any reports of them being used yet. I had an AT-9 installed today and it isn't really THAT big!

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Can anyone compare the size of the AT-9 to the large Voom dish?
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Can anyone compare the size of the AT-9 to the large Voom dish?

I haven't seen a Voom dish, but I estimate the AT-9 is about 30 in. wide by 25 in high (eyballing it from my deck). The feed horns for 110 and 119 hang off the side of the main (99, 101, 103) feed assembly. It is much more solidly built than the round dish with precise AZ and EL adjustments.

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Is there anyone with a off air antenna picking up SD channels with their MPEG 4 system? What I am asking is, if I am purchasing a off-air antenna, to get my local HD channels that D* does not currently offer, wouldnt I also pick up those analog signals? Therefore I can get rid of my local channel package!! When I do a scan with the MPEG 4 box, wouldnt it lock in those analog channels also? Or does the box only lock in Digital channels? Also, what about any analog channels you pick up that are in addition to the analog that D* is offering me. Say the next city over or something. Will I be able to view this with my MPEG 4 receiver?
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When can we expect this? This was what I got excited about in 2005!!

Rumour has it that the HMC is still being developed, we may hear more after the HR20 has launched and rolled-out.
As the HR20 will not give me anything of interest which is not available on the HR10 I am still patiently waiting for either the HMC or for Verizon FIOS multiroom to be available. If FIOS come first it will be goodbye to D* and low bit rates.

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Is there anyone with a off air antenna picking up SD channels with their MPEG 4 system? What I am asking is, if I am purchasing a off-air antenna, to get my local HD channels that D* does not currently offer, wouldnt I also pick up those analog signals? Therefore I can get rid of my local channel package!! When I do a scan with the MPEG 4 box, wouldnt it lock in those analog channels also? Or does the box only lock in Digital channels? Also, what about any analog channels you pick up that are in addition to the analog that D* is offering me. Say the next city over or something. Will I be able to view this with my MPEG 4 receiver?

The H20 (MPEG4 STB) does not have an analog OTA tuner. It only has a digital OTA tuner.
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The H20 (MPEG4 STB) does not have an analog OTA tuner. It only has a digital OTA tuner.

It may be different in New Orleans, especially given the past year's events, but all the stations here broadcast the same programming digitally that they do in analog. Those that don't transmit HD signals send digital transmissions in 480i SD, the same as their analog equivalents.

So, while you won't be able to watch SD analog OTA, you most likely can get it in digital form, at least from the larger stations. 50 miles might be a stretch for some stations OTA, though.
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The locals are now included in the standard DTV packages, so you can't drop them to save money. Those who live in areas with no locals get a slight discount, but the rest of us cannot do that.

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The locals are now included in the standard DTV packages, so you can't drop them to save money. Those who live in areas with no locals get a slight discount, but the rest of us cannot do that.

I don't know how this works, but I don't get locals from D* and they do give me a discount. I live near Chicago, so it's not a question of their availability. I had SD locals and then dropped them when I got my HD DVR last year. I don't recall how this came about, but I think a CSR asked whether I wanted them.
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I don't know how this works, but I don't get locals from D* and they do give me a discount. I live near Chicago, so it's not a question of their availability. I had SD locals and then dropped them when I got my HD DVR last year. I don't recall how this came about, but I think a CSR asked whether I wanted them.

Before, you added them for a price. Now, you drop them for a discount.
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What I was responding to was whether a new subscriber, or an existing non-HD DVR customer, can call up and EXPECT a free HR10-250 under the new leasing policies. The answer is that there is no such effort under the leasing policy and it ain't happening without a lot of skill, negotiation, and patience, per the post by NYUPIPE.

If there is such a policy NYUPIPE would have gotten one without any problems. If you read the tivo forum closely you must already have a HR10-250 AND you must subscribe to NFLST. The hardware cost recovery is hidden in the ST profit margin.


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If you read the forum regarding the free HR10-250, you will read that many non-ST subscribers have gotten the HR10-250 deal. I have even read some subcribers that were less than 6 months old getting it. The reality is that it all depends on the status of your account, meaning; Have you gotten any freebies lately? Are you on a 2yr commitment already? What is your monthly bill? Etc...

And just to clarify this, the word "Free" just means no upfront costs. DirecTV does not sell the receivers anymore, they only lease after you pay an upfront cost which can be waived. I know of a few websites that you can still buy the unit from that you are actually buying the unit, one is Newegg.com. Otherwise, you are leasing after paying an upfront cost of $0 to $400 roughly.

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Please call and email Directv with the following questions. The more people who inquire the quicker we will get results.

1. When we new national HD channels be added Dish and Cable are adding National Geographic, Food Network, MTV, and etc.

2. When will Directv raise the bitrate for HD to match Dish. Why does Directv provide the lowest bitrates and therefore quality of all providers.

3. Why does Directv plan on cutting the bitrate in half for MPEG4 feeds instead of maintaing the MPEG2 rates to increase quality.
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Please call and email Directv with the following questions. The more people who inquire the quicker we will get results.

1. When we new national HD channels be added Dish and Cable are adding National Geographic, Food Network, MTV, and etc.

2. When will Directv raise the bitrate for HD to match Dish. Why does Directv provide the lowest bitrates and therefore quality of all providers.

3. Why does Directv plan on cutting the bitrate in half for MPEG4 feeds instead of maintaing the MPEG2 rates to increase quality.

I don't buy the premise. The result will be longer waits for more uninformed CSRs and more form e-letters. The answer to the numbered questions is bandwidth, bandwidth, bandwidth. It needs to be there first.

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The bandwith is already there. They have two satellites up that are nearly empty. Next year they have two more going up.
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The outgoing bandwidth is there because of MPEG4, #3 on your list. Now all the people with HD receivers need to get the dishes and receivers to use it. The bandwith added by the Ka band, MPEG4 satellites cannot be used until then. The HR20 DVR needs to be out as part of the MPEG4 rollout too. Only then can national HD programming go to MPEG4 to make use of the new bandwidth. Also, the Ka band programming needs to get past its teething problems. Pixellization and lip synch problems are widely reported.

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Well what came first the chicken or the egg? Everyone will need to have MPEG4 compatible hardware sooner or later. You cant wait on everyone to get H20/HR20s and 5 LNB dishes before providing new content. If D* does then no one would upgrade. I think the reason it is taking so long is Directv is trying to suck as much money out of each sub as possible. If they force subs to upgrade they cant justify a charging for the hardware. However if they provide a few RSNs the hardcore Sport fans will bite the bullet and shell out 100 dollars for the upgrade. This however is a long drawn out process which is costing D* all of their not sports fans sub base. LA already has MPEG4 locals. NY locals are live on MPEG4, but the MPEG2s will not be turned off until the HR20 is out to avoid customers going berserk. What I dont understand is why D* doesnt pump out new National Geographic, Food TV, MTV HD, and any other HD feed available via MPEG4 since the bandwith is just sitting there. If they arent going to use the bandwith for anything else the least they could do is up the bitrate on the channels being provided via MPEG4
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Well what came first the chicken or the egg? Everyone will need to have MPEG4 compatible hardware sooner or later. You cant wait on everyone to get H20/HR20s and 5 LNB dishes before providing new content. If D* does then no one would upgrade. I think the reason it is taking so long is Directv is trying to suck as much money out of each sub as possible. If they force subs to upgrade they cant justify a charging for the hardware. However if they provide a few RSNs the hardcore Sport fans will bite the bullet and shell out 100 dollars for the upgrade. This however is a long drawn out process which is costing D* all of their not sports fans sub base. LA already has MPEG4 locals. NY locals are live on MPEG4, but the MPEG2s will not be turned off until the HR20 is out to avoid customers going berserk. What I dont understand is why D* doesnt pump out new National Geographic, Food TV, MTV HD, and any other HD feed available via MPEG4 since the bandwith is just sitting there. If they arent going to use the bandwith for anything else the least they could do is up the bitrate on the channels being provided via MPEG4

Not so. I got the H20, the 5lnb dish and installation for a grand total of $0. And regarding new HD channels, D* simply does not have the bandwidth on the national MPEG2 satellites to add anyhting right now.
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