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Try installing (or resinstalling) the D2Audio drivers on MSI's site and reseat the audio card. If your are using the amp be sure the molex power plug is secure. Replug in the PC and check for sound. If you have no sound check for audio from the RCA line outs. If you still have no audio clear the CMOS and set the BIOS to defaults.

Some people have reported that if HTPC is unplugged for a time the system may come back to life.

The final course of action is a RMA.
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I've had an evolving HTPC since late May with this mobo. Last night my volume was erratic for, say 10 minutes, and then nothing. No sound whatsoever. I can use HDMI sound and get lousy 2 channel right now.

Any ideas? I haven't opened the case to see what's going on with the light on the card.

This is exactly what happened with my board. The system functioned well for months and a few days ago the (digital/DVB-T) radio was on with volume two. Suddenly the volume turned up to very loud. When I checked the volume was still on two. A few hours later the sound disappeared and I noticed that the D2Audio device was gone from the Device Manager (Windows7). I turned it off and the next day it wouldn't turn on again. No BIOS or POST messages. I cleared the CMOS and removed all cards and devices but nothing happened.
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Jack,

I have a question, the last board I had (lasted three days), while I was configuring it I uploaded the latest firmware (increased volume). Will I need to redo this on the new board. My feeling is I will since the d2 chip resides on the board not the amp. But please confirm.
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So, tonight i seemingly became another victim of spontaneous board death. The computer was on for maybe 10 minutes after a several day rest, and I went to restart the computer. It powered down, there was a not-out-out-of-the-ordinary pop from the speakers (I have the 5.1 board), and then nothing. No restart. Power button doesn't do anything. I begin thinking to myself..oh crap, am I a victim of the deaths I have been reading about? I pop the cover off the case, turn off the power supply for a couple seconds, then back on. The green led lights up on the mobo. Try the power button...immediately as i press it, the cpu fan and the system fans twitch, then nothing. That is as far as it gets. The twitching is repeatable as well as the green led. I tried taking out the little battery on the mobo, waiting a few minutes, then putting it back in, but this had no effect. I looked at D50 and everything looks normal there.

Is this what others saw when their board died? Should I begin the RMA process with newegg now, or is there something else i should try first? Thanks.
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nealmc,
Check the MB out of the case, it sounds like it could be shorting. Also worth checking PSU.

I think most cases of dead boards have been no activity when powering on - sounds like yours is a different issue.
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@Nealmc

An even quicker check is to pull the 12vatx cpu (4 pin) connector out of the motherboard and try switching it on. See if the psu spins up.

Plug the connector back in and try again..... my bet is it will just do the jump on the fans.

If that's all true, then it's rma time. The mosfets on this board in the vrm circuit seem a little un-reliable. The part number on mine that went was P70N02LDG made by Nikos sem. Trying to find an alternative at the moment.

I also beleive there is a second problem with the diode (or maybe more) around the D2 audio chip. Unfortunately I haven't seen this fault yet, so will have a look at it if/when I get one.
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thanks for the quick replies, guys. I tried unplugging the 4 pin cpu power cable. When i did and hit the power switch on the case, the cpu fan started slightly then shut off, but the case fans started and kept going at their appropriate PWM speed. I turned off the psu and then plugged the 4 pin back in. tried to turn it on again and it was back to the same twitching as before. Because the case fans worked, it doesn't seem like a short to me.

RMA time?
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the mosfet fail as a dead short, tripping a psu protection cicuit.

By removing the 4 pin cable, the psu is no longer shorted and powers the board.

You can put a multimeter on the 4 pin socket, theres no resistance between any of the pins. RMA time.

I'm still not sure why the mosfets are going, I have a suspision that there may be another fault, however I'll change the mosfets and go from there.
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80sman, keep us posted. I'll probably try and fix my first one if you find anything interesting.
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So I finally get an HDTV and this board is no good?

I need a solution with an integrated amp
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I finally bought all the parts to build a non-Maui HTPC. Hopefully it goes well for me and I'll keep tabs on this thread because anything is possible in a few years.
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thanks for the quick replies, guys. I tried unplugging the 4 pin cpu power cable. When i did and hit the power switch on the case, the cpu fan started slightly then shut off, but the case fans started and kept going at their appropriate PWM speed. I turned off the psu and then plugged the 4 pin back in. tried to turn it on again and it was back to the same twitching as before. Because the case fans worked, it doesn't seem like a short to me.

RMA time?

These were my exact symptoms and I measured and experimented for quite a while before RMA'ing...
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Actually, the 1.10 BIOS can boot newer processors, but will not recognize the model.

Is this something you have done? This is certainly not true for many CPUs and could be mis-leading to someone wishing to buy the board now, since they are likely to choose an Athlon II or Phenom II CPU to go with it.

The board using BIOS version 1.10 should not be operable using a CPU that only appears on the 1.34 compatible CPU list. There is no facility with this board to update the BIOS without using an "older" CPU in this case.

My experience is based on two boards I have had. The CPUs that refused to POST were a Phenom II and an Athlon II. In the last case I had to buy a cheap Sempron (£40) from my local PC shop, just to get a replacement board going.
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The CPUs that refused to POST were a Phenom II and an Athlon II. In the last case I had to buy a cheap Sempron (£40) from my local PC shop, just to get a replacement board going.

I have limited experience with the only II series being the Athlon II X2 240 (Regor). This CPU booted in my old motherboard that has the smaller heatsink and yellow RCA LFE that I purchased last November. That board had BIOS 1.10. I purchased a new board to get another 7.1 preamp and that board POSTed only once with an old Phenom 8450. I could not get it to boot every time the system was powered up with this older CPU and the board was never able to POST with the Athlon II.

I haven't yet flashed the BIOS on any of my Maui boards and I can only speak from experience: the board that I purchased in November with the small heat sink and yellow RCA for LFE booted into Windows 7 using an Athlon II X2 240. The BIOS is the 1.10 version. If you look at my earlier post you will see that Windows 7 was an install from an Intel 965 based system. After the installation of the NB and SB drivers I was able to watch several episodes off of HULU using that install. I would be skeptical too, but that was my experience.
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So after running my 7411 w/7.1 PreAmp, i wanted to give a followup on the "missing PCIe" cards on boot. The issue still occurs, mainly with my AverMedia Duet Card. The PreAmp cards is always recognized. If you remember from my previous posts, if I restart the HTPC from Windows, the PCIe ATSC capture card is not recognized on the BIOS POST screen. If I shutdown the HTPC, and pull the power from the PSU, wait then reapply power and boot, everything thing is fine.

The capture card is assign IRQ10 along with a PCI Bridge device, the internal USB multi cards reader and a couple other devices. (I am using a Moneual 312 case with inbuilt usb card reader and usb IR Receiver).

Albiet I don't reboot the HTPC often, it is concerning from a point of view of hardware recognition.

This is an update for you to acknowledge and hopefully present to MSI. I would be willing to discuss this further offline if you need more information.

Otherwise, everythign is great after upgrading to the 905e. Watching Casino Royale in Bluray and loving it.

Thanks
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Java Jack,

I'm very happy to read that you are trying to get other manufacturers into producing more solutions like this. My problem with MSI is not that maybe just "a few boards have failed" (although the fact that so many are reported here is a clear sign that things go wrong much too frequently). The problem is the fact that MSI in Spain will ignore any complaints and not honor the warranty. Is that lack of responsibility that I find outrageous.

Hopefully Asus or Gigabyte enter the game. That's the only two brands I use for my workstation builds and so far their service is just as expected: broken mobo is replaced shortly, no questions asked.

Good luck and keep us posted.
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Well I finally got the system put together. It isn't finished (still in my old tower case, the SSHD for the O/S, the eSata drive arrayand CableCARD add-on haven't been purchased yet) but I had enough done to get it running and test it out in the living room.
Mark’s HTPC specs

o Motherboard: MSI Media Live Diva w/5.1 channel 100watt amp,
o CPU: AMD Phenom II x3 705e (3cores @ 2.5Ghz, 6mb L3cache, 65W)
o RAM: GSkill 4GB DDR2 800Mhz Model F2-6400CL4D-4GBPI-B
o Optical Drive: LG CH08LS10 SATA 8x Blue Ray and DVD/CD burner
o O/S drive: intel x25 will replace the current Seagate Barracuda 80gig
o Storage drives: 2 Seagate Barracuda ST31500341AS 1.5Tb SATAII
o Powersupply: CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W
Add-in video (as a get-by for now) ATi x1600pro

I've loaded up Windows 7 Pro, a few patches, Avast Anti-virus,
MediaPortal (Just to tinker with) WinAudio and Audio Input Switcher.(PowerDvD 9 worth getting???)

Took a little time to familiarize myself with Win7. I'm initially impressed with it. Found the Sound Properties menu and set the HD audio up for playback, and SPDIF and Line in for recording...set both of them up to "listen" and "Exclusive mode". Popped "The Dark Knight" DVD in....The sound is great, much cleaner than I expected. It can go up pretty loud too. Video playback via WMP was fine.

Unfortunately I've got 2 problems....

1) HMDI on the motherboard. Maybe I've missed something in setup, but I get no signal thru the HDMI port to my TV. My cable is good, hooked the XBOX360 to it and it works. In the Device Manager of Win7, I can see the ATi X1600 card I threw in (to plug into my monitor at my desk while building the system) but cannot find the integrated graphics chip. Going into BIOS, under Chipset-> Northbridge Config -> I have set the Integrated Graphics Config to "UMA+Sideport". Under Chipset-> Northbridge Config -> Primary Video Controller, I noticed 4 combinations of settings.... groups of letter/number acronyms seperated by dashes. Could this be set wrong?? Anyone know the correct combo to make the system push signal thru the HDMI port???? I think I am currently set to GFX0-PCI-GPP-IGFX

2) That stinking SPDIF in port.... WHY o WHY would MSI make it so the damned SPDIF in connector only channels sound into the damn Realtek SC and NOT the DA2 chip???????? Line in works fine... My LG TV passes line in audio from the Verizon STB just fine..... SPDIF.... NO freaking way. I tried WinAudio.exe and the Audio Input Switcher.exe I found in this thread, both seperatly and together... nuthin. I will try installing ffdshow and JACK for Windows next.... ANYBODY ?? BUELLER??? Javajack please please tell me you have a fix for this from the Audio Gods by now... It's only been about a year! Bad enough that Windows shows the SPDIF as only being capable of 2ch PCM, but come one lets get this sucker to re-route properly.
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Actually, if I am successful, the amp and pre amp cards you have now will work with any newer boards produced.

Jack,

Do current D2 audio boards support bi-amping? If not, will this new one?
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i don't know if this is a limitation of the playback softwares or not.

Whenever I play auido CDs, MP3 using Win Media Player, Win Media Center or Itunes, subwoofer doesn't work. I even configured Media center to use surround and it can make the sub sound during testing.

If i play the same Audio CDs or MP3s using the PowerDVD 7 OEM, the sub works and the sound is great.

Do you know if this is a limitation of the other playback softwares? are there plugins available?
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Do current D2 audio boards support bi-amping? If not, will this new one?

I suspect you're getting a little ahead of yourself on this. JJ has mentioned NOTHING about a "new board", just that he's trying to promote the idea to other vendors. As for current boards, they don't do bi-amping to the best of my knowledge/experience.

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Do current D2 audio boards support bi-amping? If not, will this new one?

If we ever get access to the F/W that he discussed in his blog, this unit should be able to bi-amp. If I remember correctly one can set x-overs for each amp and even eq each amp to address the needs of each speaker/driver.

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o Motherboard: MSI Media Live Diva w/5.1 channel 100watt amp,
o CPU: AMD Phenom II x3 705e (3cores but I unlocked the 4th @ 2.5Ghz, 6mb L3cache, 65W)

I did not think the Diva has 710/750 southbridge to allow core unlocking? What is the BIOS option you used?
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If we ever get access to the F/W that he discussed in his blog, this unit should be able to bi-amp. If I remember correctly one can set x-overs for each amp and even eq each amp to address the needs of each speaker/driver.

I am working with D2Audio to get that released. Still part of the plan. Should anything change, I will certainly let people know.

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I suspect you're getting a little ahead of yourself on this. JJ has mentioned NOTHING about a "new board", just that he's trying to promote the idea to other vendors. As for current boards, they don't do bi-amping to the best of my knowledge/experience.

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Correct. As of right now, I am working on driving some interest at additional ODMs. No word yet if there will be any takers.

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Well I finally got the system put together. It isn't finished (still in my old tower case, the SSHD for the O/S, the eSata drive arrayand CableCARD add-on haven't been purchased yet) but I had enough done to get it running and test it out in the living room.
Mark's HTPC specs

o Motherboard: MSI Media Live Diva w/5.1 channel 100watt amp,
o CPU: AMD Phenom II x3 705e (3cores but I unlocked the 4th @ 2.5Ghz, 6mb L3cache, 65W)
o RAM: GSkill 4GB DDR2 800Mhz Model F2-6400CL4D-4GBPI-B
o Optical Drive: LG CH08LS10 SATA 8x Blue Ray and DVD/CD burner
o O/S drive: intel x25 will replace the current Seagate Barracuda 80gig
o Storage drives: 2 Seagate Barracuda ST31500341AS 1.5Tb SATAII
o Powersupply: CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W
Add-in video (as a get-by for now) ATi x1600pro

I've loaded up Windows 7 Pro, a few patches, Avast Anti-virus,
MediaPortal (Just to tinker with) WinAudio and Audio Input Switcher.(PowerDvD 9 worth getting???)

Took a little time to familiarize myself with Win7. I'm initially impressed with it. Found the Sound Properties menu and set the HD audio up for playback, and SPDIF and Line in for recording...set both of them up to "listen" and "Exclusive mode". Popped "The Dark Knight" DVD in....The sound is great, much cleaner than I expected. It can go up pretty loud too. Video playback via WMP was fine.

Unfortunately I've got 2 problems....

1) HMDI on the motherboard. Maybe I've missed something in setup, but I get no signal thru the HDMI port to my TV. My cable is good, hooked the XBOX360 to it and it works. In the Device Manager of Win7, I can see the ATi X1600 card I threw in (to plug into my monitor at my desk while building the system) but cannot find the integrated graphics chip. Going into BIOS, under Chipset-> Northbridge Config -> I have set the Integrated Graphics Config to "UMA+Sideport". Under Chipset-> Northbridge Config -> Primary Video Controller, I noticed 4 combinations of settings.... groups of letter/number acronyms seperated by dashes. Could this be set wrong?? Anyone know the correct combo to make the system push signal thru the HDMI port???? I think I am currently set to GFX0-PCI-GPP-IGFX.

I suspect the problem is the add in card you are using. Unfortunately, if you put an extra card in for Hybrid, output defaults to the add in card. The onboard graphics should be more than enough for any HTPC stuff. Try removing the card and see if everything works correctly.

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2) That stinking SPDIF in port.... WHY o WHY would MSI make it so the damned SPDIF in connector only channels sound into the damn Realtek SC and NOT the DA2 chip???????? Line in works fine... My LG TV passes line in audio from the Verizon STB just fine..... SPDIF.... NO freaking way. I tried WinAudio.exe and the Audio Input Switcher.exe I found in this thread, both seperatly and together... nuthin. I will try installing ffdshow and JACK for Windows next.... ANYBODY ?? BUELLER??? Javajack please please tell me you have a fix for this from the Audio Gods by now... It's only been about a year! Bad enough that Windows shows the SPDIF as only being capable of 2ch PCM, but come one lets get this sucker to re-route properly.

This is a limitation of the audio design. I don't believe the D2 part is set up to take SPDIF in directly. I will check with them for confirmation.

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Thank you for the reply!

Last night I went back into the BIOS and chose a different setting under Chipset-> Northbridge Config -> Primary Video Controller. I used the last setting (The one that puts IGFX first in line) and that resolved the HDMI issue I was having. I will definitely take the add-in card out now that I'm getting video to the TV thru HDMI.

I hope D2 has something good to say regarding the SPDIF in. It's soooo close to being an all in one solution for me, getting an HTPC that can act as a STB Cable tuner, DVR, BD/DVD player/ripper, music/picture player. Being able to push 5.1 ch audio out from those sources internally is great (amazing in fact), but without the ability to BRING IN a 5.1 signal then push it out to the speakers is a big dissapointment for me. In reality, it is the only thing I see lacking at this point.
With the addition of a cable card based tuner, I assume that part of my problem will go away, as I will no longer have to get sound from my existing STB routed INTO my HTPC thru SPDIF or line level rca inputs. The only other device I'd have to bring sound into the HTPC from at that point is my XBOX360.
Thanks Jack for being such a strong supporter of this forum, and to vladd and everyone else who provided such great input.
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Hey Vladd, JavaJack,

I've been gone a LONG TIME, I know!

I was one of the MANY victims of SMDS (Sudden Motherboard Death Syndrome) and it took me 4 months to get my system back up & running (cause I'm REALLY lazy).

One question for JavaJack, I notice that my replacement mobo has a BIG heatsink now over the bios/d2audio (?) chip. Should I be worried about my new board suffering from SMDS as well or did this heatsink address/fix that issue?

EDIT - Disregard the above JJ, I found the answer reading through the 100+ (gasp) pages in this thread. I definitely don't think the problem I had was related to the 65w/95w (or whatever) issue, nor do I think the problem related to heat problems. My case is setup such that the CPU is SURROUNDED by air intake grates and there are SEVERAL fans keeping my case quite cool. Whenever I put my hand up to the fans blowing air out of the case, the air is cool. My guess is that the culprit of the dead boards was probably just a faulty chip (or cam, etc) that came as part of a particular batch of the boards that were ultimately distributed by newegg (were many of us bought our boards). I am confident (hopeful) that the new board I just got back from RMA will give me years (fingers crossed) of HTPC fun.

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Anyways, I see that in my absence, nothing has really changed in the SPDIF-IN department. However, if you check out that thread I wrote WAY BACK WHEN about this issue (The Inconvenient Truth About SPDIF Input!) I have added a new "work-around" using MPC that is pretty good at pushing 2 ch PCM from the SPDIF-IN to all 5 speakers without a noticeable audio delay.

Also, let me throw my hat into the ring with everyone else here to beg MSI (or D2 Audio or Realtek or whomever) to be the first bold soles to provide a solution to the "SPDIF-IN Problem". PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!!!
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I have been seeing a lot of people who really wanted to have the SPDIF-IN work. I thought of something but i don't know if it will work. IT makes sense to me but let me know what you think.

What if I buy a soundcard that has coaxial SPDIF IN and can decode DOLBY/DTS 5.1? Will this allow me to receive surround audio from the cable box through spdif coax and use the WinAudio tool or Win7 to route the audio to the AMP card?
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...if I restart the HTPC from Windows, the PCIe ATSC capture card is not recognized on the BIOS POST screen. If I shutdown the HTPC, and pull the power from the PSU, wait then reapply power and boot, everything thing is fine.

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Could you let us know which BIOS you are using? I have been reluctant to flash my BIOS from 1.10 since everything has been working reliably in two systems with it. Even my Athlon II X2 240 boots fine though it is unidentified.

If other people are having similar problems (i.e. needing to pull power to boot properly) please add your information too.

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I have been seeing a lot of people who really wanted to have the SPDIF-IN work. I thought of something but i don't know if it will work. IT makes sense to me but let me know what you think.

What if I buy a soundcard that has coaxial SPDIF IN and can decode DOLBY/DTS 5.1? Will this allow me to receive surround audio from the cable box through spdif coax and use the WinAudio tool or Win7 to route the audio to the AMP card?

The primary problem is that cards that do what you are suggesting are no longer manufactured and current sound cards have opted do decoding in software. The Asus HDAV 1.3 Deluxe, for example, which can do bitstreaming over HDMI and decodes to analog as well does this in software using Arcsoft's Total Media Theater. X-Fi based cards were believed to do DTS and Dolby Surround decoding in hardware but creative removed this functionality from their current X-Fi with EAX 5.0 offerings (no matter what the OS) and now uses PowerDVD instead to do the decoding.

People's experience with the cards that did decoding in hardware have been that decoding from digital inputs isn't provided with Vista and drivers for D2 Audio are only available in Vista and later, although XP SP3 is supposed to have UAA drivers included. I don't know if under XP it was possible to take the decoded audio from the card and output it on another card with better opamps.

Maybe dadudster can add to this.
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