MSI 7411 Motherboard Sneak Peek (share your thoughts!) - AVS Forum
Forum Jump: 
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #1 of 3490 Old 03-04-2008, 01:56 PM - Thread Starter
AVS Special Member
 
Java Jack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Austin TX
Posts: 1,784
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Model: MSI Media Live Diva (aka MSI-7411)

Features
RS780M Northbridge
SB700 Southbridge
Component Video Out
Digital SPDIF In/Out
VGA Out
HDMI Out
4 x USB on back panel, 4 USB Pin headers on board
1 x 1394 on back panel, 1 1394 Pin header on board
1 x LAN
3 PCIe x1
1 DAE3 slot tucked behind slot 3 PCIe x1 for Audio Add In card
1 PCIe x16 (configured as x8 only due to HDMI sharing PCIe lanes)
Line In (L/R)
Line Out (L/R) (2 channel Preamp)
Subwoofer Line Out
128MB GDDR2 Sideport Memory
D2 Audio DAE-3 DSP for Audio Processing
4 SATA
1 PATA

Add in card options from MSI
5-Channel x 100W (AAIC100-5) Card
100W Peak, Channel Drive, 8Ω
THD+N: <0.1%, 1kHz, 1W
SNR: >105 dB
Frequency Response: ±0.5 dB (20Hz to 20kHz)
93% Efficient Power Amplifier

3 Channel to 7 Channel Pre-Amplifier (AAIC7) Card
High Quality Home Theater Performance
Line-Level Outputs, 2.0Vrms
THD+N: <0.01%, 1kHz, -6dBFS
SNR: >110dB

See the white papers and other docs for more details on the audio solution at:
http://www.d2audio.com/default.aspx?c=679

Regards.
Java

There are 10 types of people in the world, those that understand binary, and those that don't.

AMD@Home Blog: http://links.amd.com/Home
Twitter: http://twitter.com/Java_Jack
Java Jack is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 3490 Old 03-04-2008, 02:07 PM
Member
 
iootnega's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 40
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
wow....

Definetly going to be near the top of my list for my new HTPC.

Is there any price or availability date information?
iootnega is offline  
post #3 of 3490 Old 03-04-2008, 02:10 PM - Thread Starter
AVS Special Member
 
Java Jack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Austin TX
Posts: 1,784
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Pics posted below.

Board is still in development, but looking really good. Playing back Blu Ray without any problems with low CPU usage.

This board should be a very nice solution to meet the market needs.

Regards.
Java

There are 10 types of people in the world, those that understand binary, and those that don't.

AMD@Home Blog: http://links.amd.com/Home
Twitter: http://twitter.com/Java_Jack
Java Jack is offline  
post #4 of 3490 Old 03-04-2008, 02:10 PM
Senior Member
 
redtyler1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 423
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Nice. I second the availability question--I suspect end of March based on Anandtech...
redtyler1 is offline  
post #5 of 3490 Old 03-04-2008, 02:12 PM - Thread Starter
AVS Special Member
 
Java Jack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Austin TX
Posts: 1,784
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by iootnega View Post

wow....

Definetly going to be near the top of my list for my new HTPC.

Is there any price or availability date information?

Sorry, you will need to contact MSI on pricing and availability. Best guess right now is May since this is using 780M chipset and not 780G.

Regards.
Java

There are 10 types of people in the world, those that understand binary, and those that don't.

AMD@Home Blog: http://links.amd.com/Home
Twitter: http://twitter.com/Java_Jack
Java Jack is offline  
post #6 of 3490 Old 03-04-2008, 02:25 PM - Thread Starter
AVS Special Member
 
Java Jack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Austin TX
Posts: 1,784
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Java Jack View Post

Sorry, you will need to contact MSI on pricing and availability. Best guess right now is May since this is using 780M chipset and not 780G.

Uploaded pics.
LL
LL

Regards.
Java

There are 10 types of people in the world, those that understand binary, and those that don't.

AMD@Home Blog: http://links.amd.com/Home
Twitter: http://twitter.com/Java_Jack
Java Jack is offline  
post #7 of 3490 Old 03-04-2008, 02:33 PM
Advanced Member
 
ChrisMorley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 770
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Yay!

You guys should see this in an Omaura TF8 - they were made for each other.
ChrisMorley is offline  
post #8 of 3490 Old 03-04-2008, 02:59 PM
Member
 
verteggio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 34
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Now this looks interesting for HTPC, especially as a second-room Media Center machine (instead of using a Media Center Extender). Especially with the component-out built on board.

What's the difference between the 780G and 780M, which was indicated this board is based on? And does the 780M have the same HD3200 on-board graphics? Couldn't seem to find much about it online.
verteggio is offline  
post #9 of 3490 Old 03-04-2008, 03:04 PM - Thread Starter
AVS Special Member
 
Java Jack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Austin TX
Posts: 1,784
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
M is the mobile variant. It is not officially launched yet, but it is basically the same chipset. M has some mobile specific features that are not implemented on this board, but M also supports Component out which is why it was used on this board vs. the G part.

Regards.
Java

There are 10 types of people in the world, those that understand binary, and those that don't.

AMD@Home Blog: http://links.amd.com/Home
Twitter: http://twitter.com/Java_Jack
Java Jack is offline  
post #10 of 3490 Old 03-04-2008, 03:33 PM
Member
 
verteggio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 34
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Ahhh... Now I understand why none of the 780G-based boards announced so far have component video as an option. I didn't realize that the 780G doesn't support component .

I though I saw at one point specs on the 780G that said it did, but guess I was wrong or it was pre-release specs. I see on the announcements from today/yesterday that its DVI/HDMI and Displayport.

Thanks!
verteggio is offline  
post #11 of 3490 Old 03-04-2008, 03:39 PM
AVS Special Member
 
vkristof's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Long Island
Posts: 1,116
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Java Jack View Post

Uploaded pics.

Thanks.

Very interesting pics:

NO legacy PCI! What is MSI expecting customers to plug into the the PCIex1 slots?

Maybe the unsual rearI/O panel components are throwing me off: Is that a microATX form factor?

"1 PCIe x16 (configured as x8 only due to HDMI sharing PCIe lanes)"
can you expand upon this?
vkristof is offline  
post #12 of 3490 Old 03-04-2008, 03:43 PM
Member
 
verteggio's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 34
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by vkristof View Post

Thanks.

NO legacy PCI! What is MSI expecting customers to plug into the the PCIex1 slots?

Maybe the unsual rearI/O panel components are throwing me off: Is that a microATX form factor?

"1 PCIe x16 (configured as x8 only due to HDMI sharing PCIe lanes)"
can you expand upon this?

Pretty much everything that is available in PCI is either now available in PCIe or built-in to motherboards. Unless, of course, you have a specialized product.
verteggio is offline  
post #13 of 3490 Old 03-04-2008, 03:45 PM
Advanced Member
 
ChrisMorley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 770
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by vkristof View Post

Thanks.

Very interesting pics:

NO legacy PCI! What is MSI expecting customers to plug into the the PCIex1 slots?

Maybe the unsual rearI/O panel components are throwing me off: Is that a microATX form factor?

"1 PCIe x16 (configured as x8 only due to HDMI sharing PCIe lanes)"
can you expand upon this?


Yes its uATX - and you can get the Visiontek 650 HD PCI-E x1 tuner with low profile adapters and the D-Link Xtreme N 802.11n PCI-E x1 with low profile adapters - what more could you ask for? =)
ChrisMorley is offline  
post #14 of 3490 Old 03-04-2008, 04:20 PM
Advanced Member
 
A_Dude's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 612
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I guess you are not supposed to use this with hard drives or DVD or Blu-Ray drives, since no PATA or SATA connections are listed.
A_Dude is offline  
post #15 of 3490 Old 03-04-2008, 04:24 PM - Thread Starter
AVS Special Member
 
Java Jack's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Austin TX
Posts: 1,784
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by vkristof View Post

Thanks.

Very interesting pics:

NO legacy PCI! What is MSI expecting customers to plug into the the PCIex1 slots?

Maybe the unsual rearI/O panel components are throwing me off: Is that a microATX form factor?

"1 PCIe x16 (configured as x8 only due to HDMI sharing PCIe lanes)"
can you expand upon this?

As mentioned, just about anything out there is available as PCIe cards. As with most things about this baord, the goal is to get away from legacy type stuff because they are hard to support in the long run...hence no PS2 port, COM port, etc. PCI is another legacy interface, new board, new chipset, New IO and interface technologies.

Using 780M requires HDMI port to use 4 of the 16 lanes. This leaves 12 of the 16 lanes, there is no PCIe x12, therefore, slot is configured as a x8 which is a supported operating mode for most all PCIe GPU cards today.

Performance loss from x16 to x8 is about 5 to 10% so it is not a major hit. However, since 780 support Hybrid X-Fire operation, putting in a discreete card even in x8 mode should make this quite a gaming box for an HTPC (especially with 512MB dedicated GPU memory already on mobo).

Regards.
Java

There are 10 types of people in the world, those that understand binary, and those that don't.

AMD@Home Blog: http://links.amd.com/Home
Twitter: http://twitter.com/Java_Jack
Java Jack is offline  
post #16 of 3490 Old 03-04-2008, 04:49 PM
AVS Special Member
 
vkristof's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Long Island
Posts: 1,116
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Java Jack View Post

As mentioned, just about anything out there is available as PCIe cards. As with most things about this baord, the goal is to get away from legacy type stuff because they are hard to support in the long run...hence no PS2 port, COM port, etc. PCI is another legacy interface, new board, new chipset, New IO and interface technologies.

Using 780M requires HDMI port to use 4 of the 16 lanes. This leaves 12 of the 16 lanes, there is no PCIe x12, therefore, slot is configured as a x8 which is a supported operating mode for most all PCIe GPU cards today.

Performance loss from x16 to x8 is about 5 to 10% so it is not a major hit. However, since 780 support Hybrid X-Fire operation, putting in a discreete card even in x8 mode should make this quite a gaming box for an HTPC (especially with 512MB dedicated GPU memory already on mobo).

Thanks.

I didn't notice the legacy rear panel IO was missing. I must have been distracted by the shiny component video RCA jacks!

This is the PC motherboard I've seen that doesn't have PCI slots.
Do you see this as a trend in motherboards?
Is the SB on this card a SB700 variant that doesn't HAVE an external PCI bus?
Is it in the SB700 family at all?
vkristof is offline  
post #17 of 3490 Old 03-04-2008, 05:19 PM
Senior Member
 
gtfoltz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Valley of the Sun
Posts: 466
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
if they are getting rid of legacy--why the PATA connector? Heck, why VGA? Both are a lot less useful and arguably more dated than a PCI slot on a new build...
gtfoltz is offline  
post #18 of 3490 Old 03-04-2008, 05:49 PM
Advanced Member
 
ChrisMorley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 770
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by gtfoltz View Post

if they are getting rid of legacy--why the PATA connector? Heck, why VGA? Both are a lot less useful and arguably more dated than a PCI slot on a new build...


AMD HyperMemory uses a PATA connector - Jack, is that what it's for primarily?
ChrisMorley is offline  
post #19 of 3490 Old 03-04-2008, 06:03 PM
Senior Member
 
crabnebula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Montreal, Canada
Posts: 389
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
So, if I understand this right, with the optional amplifier audio add-on, the PC actually has a Class-D amplifier onboard, meaning you can connect your passive speakers directly? Is there more info about the digital amps it uses - I'd really like some insights on the sound quality compared to digital receivers like the Panasonic XR-55 (assuming I've got this straight).

Also, why does the 780M require PCIe lanes for HDMI? And does this in any way give it the extra bandwidth required to enable multichannel LPCM? Hey, you can't blame me for trying!
crabnebula is offline  
post #20 of 3490 Old 03-04-2008, 06:14 PM
Advanced Member
 
ChrisMorley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 770
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by crabnebula View Post

So, if I understand this right, with the optional amplifier audio add-on, the PC actually has a Class-D amplifier onboard, meaning you can connect your passive speakers directly? Is there more info about the digital amps it uses - I'd really like some insights on the sound quality compared to digital receivers like the Panasonic XR-55 (assuming I've got this straight).


Yes - it's D2 Audio powered - I've heard it, it sounds fantastic.
ChrisMorley is offline  
post #21 of 3490 Old 03-04-2008, 06:14 PM
Advanced Member
 
A_Dude's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 612
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Java Jack View Post

As with most things about this baord, the goal is to get away from legacy type stuff

Uh, Component Video is "legacy type stuff".

Any minute now, only HDMI will be allowed for full HD output and component will only output 480p maximum. (for DRM media, of course)
A_Dude is offline  
post #22 of 3490 Old 03-04-2008, 06:25 PM
Senior Member
 
crabnebula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Montreal, Canada
Posts: 389
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisMorley View Post

Yes - it's D2 Audio powered - I've heard it, it sounds fantastic.

They develop their own products, this isn't derived from Texas Instruments' products or others?

EDIT: Nevermind, just downloaded the whitepaper.

Wow! I'm surprised there isn't more excitement over this!
crabnebula is offline  
post #23 of 3490 Old 03-04-2008, 06:25 PM
Advanced Member
 
ChrisMorley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 770
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by A_Dude View Post

Uh, Component Video is "legacy type stuff".

Any minute now, only HDMI will be allowed for full HD output and component will only output 480p maximum. (for DRM media, of course)



He meant legacy PC I/O.
ChrisMorley is offline  
post #24 of 3490 Old 03-04-2008, 06:27 PM
Advanced Member
 
ChrisMorley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 770
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by crabnebula View Post

They develop their own products, this isn't derived from Texas Instruments' products or others?

http://www.d2audio.com/

It's all developed in house I believe.
ChrisMorley is offline  
post #25 of 3490 Old 03-04-2008, 06:35 PM
Senior Member
 
crabnebula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Montreal, Canada
Posts: 389
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
One more question. The SPDIF input is routed to the D2audio DSP? Can it decode DD/DTS from an external source?? If it could, this could replace a pre/pro/amp for people with only one other source in their setup with an SPDIF output (eg, game console).
crabnebula is offline  
post #26 of 3490 Old 03-04-2008, 06:50 PM
Member
 
teookie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 132
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Cool board, but looks like the big advantage it has over the 780G boards is all in the audio.

I guess it does have component out too, actually, which in my mind is a strike against the "G" variant (even though I personally don't need component out...)

So unless you already have 7 speakers + subwoofer, or a 7.1 receiver, or absolutely need component out - this board is no better than the "G" flavor.

Very exciting non the less. I am intruqued by the rear I/O panel. Wish I could afford all the hardware it would take to populate those connectors, not to mention the add on card!
teookie is offline  
post #27 of 3490 Old 03-04-2008, 07:01 PM
Member
 
zzzozzzo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 101
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
So I guess this this is a "Diamond or Platinum" high-end solution?

MSI never includes S/PDIF on their standard MB's and now they've gone audiophile, well there's a surprise
zzzozzzo is offline  
post #28 of 3490 Old 03-04-2008, 07:24 PM
AVS Special Member
 
vkristof's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Long Island
Posts: 1,116
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by zzzozzzo View Post

So I guess this this is a "Diamond or Platinum" high-end solution?

MSI never includes S/PDIF on their standard MB's and now they've gone audiophile, well there's a surprise

The audiophile comment reminded me of that company that put a vacuum tube in the audio path of their motherboard in 2002. IKYN:

http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Ha...aopenax4btube/

Motherboards have gone from vacuum tube(s) to class-D amps in just a few short years. Amazing!
vkristof is offline  
post #29 of 3490 Old 03-04-2008, 07:35 PM
Senior Member
 
crabnebula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Montreal, Canada
Posts: 389
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by vkristof View Post

Motherboards have gone from vacuum tube(s) to class-D amps in just a few short years. Amazing!

Tell me about it. Now I'm actually pondering dumping the receiver when I upgrade the HTPC.

I would still like at least one digital input that can decode DD/DTS however. Can't find any indication of whether this can or not.

Also wondering about the cost. I don't think the 5.1 amplifier add-on will be cheap.
crabnebula is offline  
post #30 of 3490 Old 03-04-2008, 07:52 PM
Senior Member
 
crabnebula's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Montreal, Canada
Posts: 389
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by teookie View Post

Cool board, but looks like the big advantage it has over the 780G boards is all in the audio.

I guess it does have component out too, actually, which in my mind is a strike against the "G" variant (even though I personally don't need component out...)

So unless you already have 7 speakers + subwoofer, or a 7.1 receiver, or absolutely need component out - this board is no better than the "G" flavor.

It also has 512MB of dedicated side-port memory for the IGP, which I doubt you'll find elsewhere. There is a possibility that this will allow better post-processing abilities for video playback, but that needs to be confirmed.
crabnebula is offline  
Reply Home Theater Computers

User Tag List

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off