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Let's go to review it

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Hi myAV,

Where did you get your Vista driver then? Why don't you share it with Adam?

I received four different sets of beta drivers for Vista and XP. After testing the card I returned them to Asus. First test was done on Vista and then on XP, but on the same machine which I had to reformat when I installed XP. So I lost Vista drivers that I kept on the HDD. but I have working XP drivers which I would like to share If anyone wants. What I meant in my previous post was that They aren't available on the Asus download page yet. They are preparing them and would be up soon I guess.
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Thanks for all your input Adam, you're an absolute star!

Sigh. Well I just spent a few hours wiping Vista and installing XP in prep for getting this card. I got the trial of TMT (not the Asus one) working anyway, which it never did with Vista, although I had to apply the Japanese .ax files otherwise got no picture. And it won't play my Star Strek TOS hd-dvd. As it *still* seems to have the repeater bug however with the Asus card, according to Adam, I guess I have to buy another graphics card too and/or stump up for AnyDVD The g35 really was a bad buy.

I haven't tried the G35 without AnyDvd yet. I don't see it as a bad buy, LPCM for a year or so before any other alternative... I expect to keep using it with the HDAV unless I am forced not to for some reason.

I didn't realise until going back to his website that myAV was using only XP. If I had I might not have bothered until Vista drivers were out. I am not installing XP just to see DTS-MA appear on my Receiver, what a waste of time Vista drivers will probably be out in a week or so to tie in with the rumored US release.

Demanding a Vista Driver isn't going to make it happen any quicker, I would rather keep my blood pressure at a sensible level for now at least
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I have this card also and as requested you can grab the manual HERE.
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Thank's for the manual BIG TIME Digi247
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Thank's for the manual BIG TIME Digi247

No problem at all hope its useful
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I've downloaded the file but it doesn't seem to contain the manual - it appears that it is the driver and application only. Is this correct?
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I was thinking maybe this is a expensive sound card that's why not a lot people will carry it. But when I checked with my friend who work in a big distributor, same city as Asus, Fremont, CA, this week and it is not in the system at all. I am thinking it being delayed for the reason you mentioned as well.

I am afraid I have bad news for you guys in the state. I contacted Asus today and asked about the US release date.Unfortunately ,They told me that this card would not be released in the US untill all the issues sorted out such as stable drivers and TrueHD streaming...etc. This card has not been officially released in any other country in the world to this very moment other than Taiwan.
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Thanks for your response myAV. It states in the asus specifications page that you can use the line in/mic in for spdif input:

http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?mo...=150&l3=0&l4=0

But anyway i'm also interested in the hdmi input. I'll give a scenario to explain my question:

- Use ps3 as blu-ray player

- connect ps3 hdmi out -> asus hdmi in

- connect asus hdmi out -> tv hdmi in

- Play blu-ray movie and select DTS soundtrack

- Will the asus card decode the DTS soundtrack and output the sound to 5.1 analog outputs without the use of 3rd party software? i.e. the asus card decodes the dts soundtrack through its own drivers.


What I really want here is to NOT use a receiver/pre pro to do the audio codec decoding. I want the asus card to handle this on its own. So if the asus card can accomplish this, of course the next question for me is if the card can decode high def audio codecs like DTS-MA and DD-HD.

Sorry to keep you waiting, I will get back to you on Sunday.
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myAV,

Can you let me know the version of XP drivers you are using? If they are different to those on the Asus download page, I would like to try them in Vista, just in case.

Thanks,

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I did download it too = no Manual there but Setup...
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myAV,

Can you let me know the version of XP drivers you are using? If they are different to those on the Asus download page, I would like to try them in Vista, just in case.

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Same Here no Bitstreaming in Vista at all, Any chance of you uploading the drivers please myAV
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myAV,

Can you let me know the version of XP drivers you are using? If they are different to those on the Asus download page, I would like to try them in Vista, just in case.

Thanks,

Adam

1.Xonar-HDAV-080829-8.17.45(XP3264-RC-01 Review (beta driver got in mid July, working but not perfect)
2.Xonar HDAV 5.12.8.1745(XP3264-RC-02)Review. This is working flawlessly on XP with the TMT.
3. Xonar HDAV 5.12.8.1744( LPCM working but no bitstreaming)

I am using the second one.BTW, what was the Vista driver version came with the installation CD?
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1.Xonar-HDAV-080829-8.17.45(XP3264-RC-01 Review (beta driver got in mid July, working but not perfect)
2.Xonar HDAV 5.12.8.1745(XP3264-RC-02)Review. This is working flawlessly on XP with the TMT.
3. Xonar HDAV 5.12.8.1744( LPCM working but no bitstreaming)

I am using the second one.BTW, what was the Vista driver version came with the installation CD?

This is the audio driver with included CD Xonar HDAV 5.12.8.1745(XP3264-RC-02)Review. This is working flawlessly on XP with the TMT.
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This is the audio driver with included CD Xonar HDAV 5.12.8.1745(XP3264-RC-02)Review. This is working flawlessly on XP with the TMT.

My CD had Xonar HDAV 6.12.8.1744.

It looks like we already have access to those drivers (2 & 3) myAV so no point hosting them for us.

Thanks

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This is the audio driver with included CD Xonar HDAV 5.12.8.1745(XP3264-RC-02)Review. This is working flawlessly on XP with the TMT.

OK. I have a Vista driver version 6.12.8.1744. Was this included in the Xonar package that you bought.If not, I can let you and AngelEyes try this.
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OK. I have a Vista driver version 6.12.8.1744. Was this included in the Xonar package that you bought.If not, I can let you and AngelEyes try this.

I would appreciate that thank you.

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My CD had Xonar HDAV 6.12.8.1744.

It looks like we already have access to those drivers (2 & 3) myAV so no point hosting them for us.

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Adam you had any problems with Dolby TrueHD i cant even get any sound at all from my .iso's, DTS-HD MA play fine at 96khz if i set to 192khz i get distorted sound also LPCM from casino royale is fine also but again anything over 96khz and sound is distorted.

Could you let me know your settings i am using a M3N78-EMH-HDMI m\\b with 8200 igp. Also i get jerky playback of blu ray what ever i play once in fullscreen mode with TMT if i minimise to small all is perfect.

I posted on the Xonar thread over at avforums i am going to try XP on my HTPC scrubbing as we speak.
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I haven't tested any Dolby specifically as I was concentrating on Bitstreaming at the time. I think I did try a few BDs by accident that had TrueHD and they were ok.

I don't see the point outputting 192khz as it would require upsampling of absolutely everything you throw at it. 24/96 seems a more sensible middle ground but still means most stuff will be upsampled by windows.

192khz may be a limit of your receiver, with some only accepting 2 channel at that settings. Just a guess though...

I have had no playback issues at all. have you tried bypassing the HDAV to see if it is TMT rather than the HDAV causing layback problems?

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I would appreciate that thank you.



Adam you had any problems with Dolby TrueHD i cant even get any sound at all from my .iso's, DTS-HD MA play fine at 96khz if i set to 192khz i get distorted sound also LPCM from casino royale is fine also but again anything over 96khz and sound is distorted.

Could you let me know your settings i am using a M3N78-EMH-HDMI m\\b with 8200 igp. Also i get jerky playback of blu ray what ever i play once in fullscreen mode with TMT if i minimise to small all is perfect.

I posted on the Xonar thread over at avforums i am going to try XP on my HTPC scrubbing as we speak.

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I haven't tested any Dolby specifically as I was concentrating on Bitstreaming at the time. I think I did try a few BDs by accident that had TrueHD and they were ok.

I don't see the point outputting 192khz as it would require upsampling of absolutely everything you throw at it. 24/96 seems a more sensible middle ground but still means most stuff will be upsampled by windows.

192khz may be a limit of your receiver, with some only accepting 2 channel at that settings. Just a guess though...

I have had no playback issues at all. have you tried bypassing the HDAV to see if it is TMT rather than the HDAV causing layback problems?

Adam

Thanks for the reply just halfway through installing XP back on the HTPC at the moment, I did bypass the Xonar last night and all my Blu's played fine with LPCM audio @ 16bit/48khz and at 1920x1080p @24hz since installing the HDAV though i lost ability to output 1080p @ 24hz and all my playback got jittery.

I will report back on how the HDAV is handled by XP and see if i can get the bitstreaming working through my Denon 3808
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I suspect this could be answered by a current Xonar D2 owner, but does the Xonar HDAV have stereo x2 support? i.e. something akin to to the stereo surround option that Creative has in their driver panel.
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I am afraid I have bad news for you guys in the state. I contacted Asus today and asked about the US release date.Unfortunately ,They told me that this card would not be released in the US untill all the issues sorted out such as stable drivers and TrueHD streaming...etc. This card has not been officially released in any other country in the world to this very moment other than Taiwan.

That's not really bad news because it appears not to be working properly at the moment, especially in Vista.

I hope we don't have too much longer to wait.

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I am afraid I have bad news for you guys in the state. I contacted Asus today and asked about the US release date.Unfortunately ,They told me that this card would not be released in the US untill all the issues sorted out such as stable drivers and TrueHD streaming...etc. This card has not been officially released in any other country in the world to this very moment other than Taiwan.

This is not bad news. It just means that ASUS will get it right before they give it to the US. I can wait for awhile especially since I have 7.1 channel PCM from my ATI 4850 already. It may be downsampled/upsampled but I sure can't tell the difference.

Keep us updated on the progress though. We really appreciate everything you have done. The efforts of yourself and ASUS are why I am not even considering the Auzentech solution. Frankly I just don't trust them to get it right the first time.
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this quote makes no sense whatsoever... if you're connecting this card's hdmi output to a sub $1000 receiver then the analog outputs will sound better. The 4 burrbrown dacs on this thing are far better then what you'll find in sub $1000 equipment.


also reading that review basically shows there is very little difference in quality from this and the D2X. The differences in real world applications are so minor anyone without a $10,000+ home theater system will not be able to tell any difference.

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It will be every bit as noticeable, if not more, than with a cheap AVR.

I think he is saying that this card will not offer anything which any other card (that has good DACs) does not already provide.

He is saying there is no need to wait for this card and add the daughter card to do something which other cards already do, and some do better, which is analog out.

Just get a card with good DACs and you are all set.
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Do you work for Asus?

It seems like it at times.

Here is what I know after a couple of meetings yesterday.

1. US Distribution is on-hold until ArcSoft/ASUS engineering resolves bitstreaming problems under Vista, seems as though TrueHD is finally working and now DTS-MA HD is broken again.

2. ASUS engineering and technical marketing personnel are back at ArcSoft today. I should have an update this weekend. From all indications, the problem should be solved very shortly (they identified it, just needs to be addressed now).

3. I would estimate a release date near the end of September now as qualification testing will have to be completed once the drivers are finalized.

4. Until the driver set is completed (additional fixes for GX game support, analog out, and general performance items) I would not draw a conclusion from the previews/reviews at this point. We could post a review, but without bitstreaming support, final GX update, and application support it would be kind of useless.
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Sorry to keep you waiting, I will get back to you on Sunday.

Thanks man. This issue is the only thing that's stopping me from benig 100% on the hdav. Please keep me posted!

Or if the other owners (AngelEyes) can chime in on this. It would be much appreciated.
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I am afraid I have bad news for you guys in the state. I contacted Asus today and asked about the US release date.Unfortunately ,They told me that this card would not be released in the US untill all the issues sorted out such as stable drivers and TrueHD streaming...etc. This card has not been officially released in any other country in the world to this very moment other than Taiwan.

myAV,

thanks for the info. but what about UK?
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It seems like it at times.

Here is what I know after a couple of meetings yesterday.

1. US Distribution is on-hold until ArcSoft/ASUS engineering resolves bitstreaming problems under Vista, seems as though TrueHD is finally working and now DTS-MA HD is broken again.

2. ASUS engineering and technical marketing personnel are back at ArcSoft today. I should have an update this weekend. From all indications, the problem should be solved very shortly (they identified it, just needs to be addressed now).

3. I would estimate a release date near the end of September now as qualification testing will have to be completed once the drivers are finalized.

4. Until the driver set is completed (additional fixes for GX game support, analog out, and general performance items) I would not draw a conclusion from the previews/reviews at this point. We could post a review, but without bitstreaming support, final GX update, and application support it would be kind of useless.

Do you know whether LPCM support utilizes Vista's exclusive mode? Without that, some audio could be upsampled or downsampled to the default output setting and could be molested in other ways.

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Thanks man. This issue is the only thing that's stopping me from benig 100% on the hdav. Please keep me posted!

Or if the other owners (AngelEyes) can chime in on this. It would be much appreciated.

full quote from me & all the pre/pro crowd!!
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I think he is saying that this card will not offer anything which any other card (that has good DACs) does not already provide.

He is saying there is no need to wait for this card and add the daughter card to do something which other cards already do, and some do better, which is analog out.

Just get a card with good DACs and you are all set.

Current cards, like the Xonar D2X that I have, all trigger downsampling to 16-bit/48 KHz when playing BD using TMT because of the PAP issue.

Yes, the card I have is great, but DRM and software choose to cripple it. My sound system is good enough that it makes a difference.

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Yes, the card I have is great, but DRM and software choose to cripple it. My sound system is good enough that it makes a difference.

lifespeed,

Do you mind elaborate the different?
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