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Told ya... Super XP, I think you're being a little too optimistic.

Perhaps he is, but it is after all only a rumor at the moment. I too agree that it is highly likely something will delay it yet again but until we have hard data that is pure speculation.

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Perhaps he is, but it is after all only a rumor at the moment. I too agree that it is highly likely something will delay it yet again but until we have hard data that is pure speculation.

How about Auzentech release some hard data? To me the card itself is starting to become pure speculation.

i think the info on PowerDVD and HDMI output being Q3 is from insider information at Cyberlink. I consider that to be more reliable..
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As of right now this is only a RUMOR!

You are right as of now the Auzentech Home theater audio card is only a rumor! I knew you would see it our way one day.
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I've been following this thread for months like everyone else hoping beyond hope that there was going to be a solution to this mess before Blu-Ray becomes superceeded. Having spent a great deal of effort creating a HTPC I've really wanted to avoid buying yet another box and have yet another remote and yet more cables etc. Auzentech have lost my interest now and my cash. I'll be buying a stand-alone Blu-Ray player with onboard decoding and be able to take advantage of the new sound formats whilst I still have my hearing. What a dissapointment and what a fiasco.

Auzentech must be reading these posts and must be aware about the need to communicate with their customers. Their market is shrinking by the day as the stand-alone players become cheaper and better specified. Only people like us are going to provide them with their future revenues. No HTPC = No need to spend money on their hardware. Tanks to all the contributors that have helped kep people like me informed.
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I've been following this thread for months like everyone else hoping beyond hope that there was going to be a solution to this mess before Blu-Ray becomes superceeded. Having spent a great deal of effort creating a HTPC I've really wanted to avoid buying yet another box and have yet another remote and yet more cables etc. Auzentech have lost my interest now and my cash. I'll be buying a stand-alone Blu-Ray player with onboard decoding and be able to take advantage of the new sound formats whilst I still have my hearing. What a dissapointment and what a fiasco.

Auzentech must be reading these posts and must be aware about the need to communicate with their customers. Their market is shrinking by the day as the stand-alone players become cheaper and better specified. Only people like us are going to provide them with their future revenues. No HTPC = No need to spend money on their hardware. Tanks to all the contributors that have helped kep people like me informed.

Why not just go buy a xonar, there card is available and fully functional now. (serial 9x cards do 24p).

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Why not just go buy a xonar, there card is available and fully functional now. (serial 9x cards do 24p).

I'm running my HTPC currently on W7 beta and TMT will not work with W7 and Xonar only works with TMT. TMT better get working on W7 support as the RC1 of W7 is set for release April 10th. Since they state they aren't even close to supporting W7, looks like TMT will be left behind with the new system as well as PDVD is being virtually integrated into W7MC. I've thrroughly enjoyed W7 beta and am looking forward to RC1. I will not downgrade to Vista or XP just to use TMT and get the xonar....
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yeah who knows looks like powerDVD is out in japan next week, maybe it will work wit the asus card.

Also it's possible that win7 may work better with TMT, since it's goal is to have backwards compat as well.

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I'm running my HTPC currently on W7 beta and TMT will not work with W7 and Xonar only works with TMT. TMT better get working on W7 support as the RC1 of W7 is set for release April 10th. Since they state they aren't even close to supporting W7, looks like TMT will be left behind with the new system as well as PDVD is being virtually integrated into W7MC. I've thrroughly enjoyed W7 beta and am looking forward to RC1. I will not downgrade to Vista or XP just to use TMT and get the xonar....

You know Windows 7 is still only beta testing? That's really unfair to expect that of TMT considering Windows 7 hasn't even been released to the general public.
You know many things are NOT supported in W7 besides TMT? In fact, most things, at least not officially.
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You know Windows 7 is still only beta testing? That's really unfair to expect that of TMT considering Windows 7 hasn't even been released to the general public.
You know many things are NOT supported in W7 besides TMT? In fact, most things, at least not officially.

I don't think it's unfair. I know most thing are not officially supported; however, a lot fo companies are working on support for W7. That is the purpose of the beta testing of products. With the RC only 1.5 months away, and supposedly the final release only 5-6 months away, most companies should be working on having a stable update available when the OS rolls out. That was a big issue with Vista that not many, actually, most companies, didn't take the time to prepare drivers and support for the new OS. When W7 is released in 6 months to the GP (the beta and RC are open to GP as well) will people have to wait for TMT to then start working on a stable update to work with W7?

The current version doesn't even work in compatibility mode in W7 so it appears they have a long way to go and they are the only program I have come across so far in my testing (I know there are others, but I've installed and run dozens of programs in the last few weeks in W7) and TMT is the only one with NO compantibility options and NO workaround to get it to function. I've been able to get ever other program to at least function in W7 via compatibility. If W7 is finally released, I'm going with whatever program is full functional at that point, I'm not going to wait around for a company to begin work at that point and be rushed to get it out. That never results in a stable program. TMT programmers and engineers should be running their own beta designs and test of TMT to work with 7 now so it's available for use in 6 months.

Anyway, since this isn't the PDVD or TMT thread, I'm not going to discuss this in too much more detail. I was just explaining why I will most likely not get the Xonar vs. the Auzentech given the current state of the supported software with the Xonar card. I don't want to wait and have to install Vista or XP just to use the Xonar if PDVD and Auzentech will be ready in Q3 with W7 is release in it's final build.
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well when is TMT going to work, with win7 RC + TMT 2?
TMT 3?

If you already run win7, well yeah you'd have a decision to make, roll back or have bitstream audio.

I agree it's a serious issue and arcsoft and MS should both figure this out, but on the other hand I don't expect everything to work with a beta OS, and I'd be much more likely not to run beta software then to not purchase a fully function product that works on officially released OS's.

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The current version doesn't even work in compatibility mode in W7 so it appears they have a long way to go and they are the only program I have come across so far in my testing (I know there are others, but I've installed and run dozens of programs in the last few weeks in W7) and TMT is the only one with NO compantibility options and NO workaround to get it to function.

Probably a single line of code....

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Why not just go buy a xonar, there card is available and fully functional now. (serial 9x cards do 24p).

Right now the only outlet with a card in stock in the UK is asking for about £250 and for that I'll get the "pleasure" of TMT. Overclockers and others are advertising the ASUS Deluxe for £160 but they are all out of stock and have been for a while. This is not a key market for ASUS who do make excellent motherboards, netbooks, monitors etc etc. Auzentech have missed a uniquie opportunity to sell to people in the only area of technology that they specialise in. Right now it's a compolete no brainer to go to my local Richer Sounds and get a Panasonic that has all the audio and video capability without the gamble of all the compatability issues and the tinkering that we have to put ourselves through just to watch and listen to a film. I'll plug it in and I'll be watching a movie, amazing!

This does go against the grain but I will halting any more spending on the HTPC as the software and hardware vendors are now too far behind the curve.
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yeah..
i doubt Arcsoft can/will ingor this WIN7 thing... it's just imossible...


BTW, TMT is working pretty good on my Xonar HDAV system now.. no rush upgrading to Win7..

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You are right as of now the Auzentech Home theater audio card is only a rumor! I knew you would see it our way one day.

You got to be kidding right
Auzentech can't delay forever. If the software is not fully ready they can always release the card with that feature missing. It's still going to be a full blown out XFi sound card. I prefer Creative's XFi over the Asus.
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Right now the only outlet with a card in stock in the UK is asking for about £250 and for that I'll get the "pleasure" of TMT. Overclockers and others are advertising the ASUS Deluxe for £160 but they are all out of stock and have been for a while. This is not a key market for ASUS who do make excellent motherboards, netbooks, monitors etc etc. Auzentech have missed a uniquie opportunity to sell to people in the only area of technology that they specialise in. Right now it's a compolete no brainer to go to my local Richer Sounds and get a Panasonic that has all the audio and video capability without the gamble of all the compatability issues and the tinkering that we have to put ourselves through just to watch and listen to a film. I'll plug it in and I'll be watching a movie, amazing!

This does go against the grain but I will halting any more spending on the HTPC as the software and hardware vendors are now too far behind the curve.

I too have been following this thread since I tried the Xonar and couldn't get it to work with my HTPC build & AVR (prob due to a bad card more than anything).

But here's a point of confusion for me. I have a HTPC with a Blu-Ray drive and I get a stunning HD picture with my Pioneer Kuro TV when watching Blu-Ray discs. I get very good sound with PDVD 8 Pro, I assume it is downsampled or something to regular DD or DTS (at least that's what the AVR shows).

Furthermore, with my HTPC, I can now watch Itunes videos, SlingBox, BBC I-player (and all the other internet video derivatives), VMC (where I have access to my music library, photos, and rippped DVDs from my home network) etc etc etc, all with one remote on the comfort of my couch with amazing 5.1surround-sound and a 50 inch plasma (I do NOT have that in my office). I think a lot you people have lost the plot here, the HTPC is about a lot more than just a Blu-Ray player!

Sorry, don't mean to rant, but seriously...
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Auzentech can't delay forever.

I heard they are waiting to bundle it with Duke Nukem Forever.

Or possibly the Sherwood Newcastle 972 AVR.



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I'll still keep the HTPc for the reasons you give, I'm just not going to take it any further.
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I heard they are waiting to bundle it with Duke Nukem Forever.

Or possibly the Sherwood Newcastle 972 AVR.


That was a good laugh!

Oh by the way ASUS will release their slimline HDMI card in about 1 month. That should take up what is left of the market for these cards.
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That was a good laugh!

Oh by the way ASUS will release their slimline HDMI card in about 1 month. That should take up what is left of the market for these cards.

You keep saying that, but there are still plenty of people I know IRL and online that have yet to buy the Asus card and who are interested in a bitstreaming card for blu-ray playback. In fact virtually no-one I've met has one yet but there are plenty of people interested. I'm certainly not going to buy one until there's at least one competing product out there to compare against. Throw in PowerDVD's better picture quality (at least imho), TMT's problem with keyboard shortcuts and hence remote problems and there are still many people out there waiting to buy (or at least check out) Auzentech's product.

I bought TMT and PowerDVD8 and the idea of being stuck with just one piece of software for playback is not appealing and that's a drawback for both cards. And is also a reason why a number of friends have yet to buy.

Besides this is the htpc market we're talking about, if Auzentechs solution is even just slightly better there's no shortage of people willing to dump the Asus card. HTPC freaks are notorious for having a need to upgrade for even the most ridiculous of reasons
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It is disapointing news if they are unable to achieve the March deadline. This has been scheduled for more than a year. There are no excuses for a failed release with DTS-MA and TrueHD. If they release it without that I don't see any motif to buy an expensive
audio card like that. Might as well buy the Asus Xonar HDAV 1.3. For all its worth at least they HAVE a product in the market that can actually output this formats.
My hope is that despite the Cyberlink news, Auzentech might have a special version at hand to support this formats. If not, one might as well buy a budget card that is quite enought for gaming and movie watching.
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I'm certainly not going to buy one until there's at least one competing product out there to compare against.

Good luck with that then. You are going to be waiting a long time for that.
Basically there are two types of consumers for this card. Those that purchased it once bitstreaming was working and those that will wait for every detail to be working before they jump in.

The first type of person has already purchased the ASUS HDAV or will purchase the slimline card next month. The second type of consumer will never purchase any bitstreaming card because it is never going to work absolutely perfectly no matter who makes the card and who makes the software.

I suggest you purchase a cheap bitstreaming stand alone Blu-ray player. You won't be satisfied until you do.
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I suggest you purchase a cheap bitstreaming stand alone Blu-ray player. You won’t be satisfied until you do.

I've already got one, it's multi-region too

But your making far too many assumptions about what people are waiting for, what they want and what they need. Isn't that showing a bias? Something that you often accused the person who started the other HD audio thread of.

People will buy once THEIR requirements are met, and everyone has different needs. Just like some bought the Asus card regardless of the 24Hz problem, some bought knowing they'd have a problem exchanging it. Some waited and will buy once the the slim card is out. Still others will wait for Auzentech's initial release, others will wait for a review, some will wait for a bugfixed verison of PowerDVD, etc etc.

If Asus or Auzentech though the entire market would be saturated so quickly neither would be selling a card. So the idea that Auzentech's release will be far too late is rather silly. There will plenty of people who will be looking to buy it. People who have just bought a blu-ray drive, people who have just updated their receiver and so on.

Competition is a good thing, even if the card is way behind schedule the eventual release can only be good for the htpc market.
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I've already got one, it's multi-region too

But your making far too many assumptions about what people are waiting for, what they want and what they need. Isn't that showing a bias? Something that you often accused the person who started the other HD audio thread of.

People will buy once THEIR requirements are met, and everyone has different needs. Just like some bought the Asus card regardless of the 24Hz problem, some bought knowing they'd have a problem exchanging it. Some waited and will buy once the the slim card is out. Still others will wait for Auzentech's initial release, others will wait for a review, some will wait for a bugfixed verison of PowerDVD, etc etc.

If Asus or Auzentech though the entire market would be saturated so quickly neither would be selling a card. So the idea that Auzentech's release will be far too late is rather silly. There will plenty of people who will be looking to buy it. People who have just bought a blu-ray drive, people who have just updated their receiver and so on.

Competition is a good thing, even if the card is way behind schedule the eventual release can only be good for the htpc market.

Few things.

First off I only had a problem with someone creating an official thread and then posting nothing but opinion in the first post. If he had removed the official from the title or removed his opinion from the first post then I would have thought it was a good thread. My thread has neither official in the title or opinion in the first post.

And yes everything I have stated in this thread is just my opinion. I may be right and I may be wrong. Only time will tell. However, the fact does remain that those of us with the ASUS card will be enjoying complete bit streaming from a computer while everyone else waits.

I have to disagree with you about the market saturation though. I think both ASUS and Auzentech thought the market was going to be large for a bit streaming card. What they didn't really take into account was that a PCM HDMI video card like the ATI cards were just fine for the majority of the HDMI consumers and analog outputs and toslink are fine for the majority of the rest of the markets.

Once the bit streaming cards got delayed well past the release of standard PCM HDMI cards the general public realized that they really didn't need bit streaming. Some people jumped in(myself included) and bought the ASUS card anyway. After a few months I was able to use the card for bit streaming of all codecs.

At that point I was able to also see that there is an extremely small percentage of the public that have both the content and equipment to realize the full potential of a bit streaming card. I would be willing to bet that less than 10% of all HDMI HTPCs can actually benefit from a bit streaming card over a standard PCM card. That is an extremely small number.

Think about how many people have purchased the ASUS card already. I can't imagine there are too many people left that even think they need bit streaming. Certainly not enough to make a competing card profitable. Personally I think Auzentech realizes that now also. Hopefully Auzentech will eventually prove that statement incorrect but I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Dude,
What is your deal with unconstructive crapping on the Auzentech card, the gist of every post you make is "Don't buy this card, nobody else has, everybody who would ever want this type of card already bought an Asus". Did you poll every consumer out there? No. I'm waiting for sure so that makes at least 2 people, therefor reiterating the same line over and over just comes off as desperation. Why so desperate?

Also:
"The first type of person has already purchased the ASUS HDAV or will purchase the slimline card next month. The second type of consumer will never purchase any bitstreaming card because it is never going to work absolutely perfectly no matter who makes the card and who makes the software."

Isn't an opinion.

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Dude,
What is your deal with unconstructive crapping on the Auzentech card, the gist of every post you make is "Don't buy this card, nobody else has, everybody who would ever want this type of card already bought an Asus". Did you poll every consumer out there? No. I'm waiting for sure so that makes at least 2 people, therefor reiterating the same line over and over just comes off as desperation. Why so desperate?

Also:
"The first type of person has already purchased the ASUS HDAV or will purchase the slimline card next month. The second type of consumer will never purchase any bitstreaming card because it is never going to work absolutely perfectly no matter who makes the card and who makes the software."

Isn't an opinion.

well in that case, I'm gonna say I'm officially done with this thread.
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Dude,
What is your deal with unconstructive crapping on the Auzentech card, the gist of every post you make is "Don't buy this card, nobody else has, everybody who would ever want this type of card already bought an Asus". Did you poll every consumer out there? No. I'm waiting for sure so that makes at least 2 people, therefor reiterating the same line over and over just comes off as desperation. Why so desperate?

Also:
"The first type of person has already purchased the ASUS HDAV or will purchase the slimline card next month. The second type of consumer will never purchase any bitstreaming card because it is never going to work absolutely perfectly no matter who makes the card and who makes the software."

Isn't an opinion.

I only crap on this card because Auzentech never delivered on it. They advertised that they would have an HDMI card for the prelude and that is why I bought a prelude. They still have not delivered on that and so I will continue to crap on their card until they do. If they or you want me to stop crapping on it then Auzentech better get cracking on actually producing the card.

I have nothing against the quality of the Auzentech products. I loved my Prelude while I used it. However, I do have a problem with a company advertising features and then never delivering on them.

Asus shipped me a card that was not fully functional. also I was not happy about it but I gave them a second chance just like I did for Auzentech. ASUS delivered the functionality that they had advertised within a short period of time. Auzentech did not.
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I have to disagree with you about the market saturation though. I think both ASUS and Auzentech thought the market was going to be large for a bit streaming card. What they didn't really take into account was that a PCM HDMI video card like the ATI cards were just fine for the majority of the HDMI consumers and analog outputs and toslink are fine for the majority of the rest of the markets.

A good point about the ATI cards, I have one, a 4650 and perhaps without that I'd be more inclined to buy the Asus rather than wait and check out the Auzentech card.

At the end of the day it's all a mess really, whatever card you've either bought or will be buying. The Asus card means your stuck with TMT. Auzentechs means your stuck with PowerDVD. ATI has problems with 24Hz. And so on.

One of the reasons I'm waiting is I'd like to see how Auzentechs card performs with an Nvidia card at 24Hz. Hopefully I'll get silky smooth video and bitstreaming audio. It just means I'll be stuck with PowerDVD and we don't even know how buggy/bloated version 9 is (although it's just around the corner).
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A good point about the ATI cards, I have one, a 4650 and perhaps without that I'd be more inclined to buy the Asus rather than wait and check out the Auzentech card.

At the end of the day it's all a mess really, whatever card you've either bought or will be buying. The Asus card means your stuck with TMT. Auzentechs means your stuck with PowerDVD. ATI has problems with 24Hz. And so on.

One of the reasons I'm waiting is I'd like to see how Auzentechs card performs with an Nvidia card at 24Hz. Hopefully I'll get silky smooth video and bitstreaming audio. It just means I'll be stuck with PowerDVD and we don't even know how buggy/bloated version 9 is (although it's just around the corner).

Nvidia is working on a next gen set of discrete cards that will support HD audio over HDMI. They do that today with the 8200/8300 and 9300/9400 IGP chipsets, just not with discrete cards. They were pretty clear at CES that this was a key requirement for their new cards coming out this year. Hopefully they will support bitstreaming as well. I certainly pushed them on it at CES.
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I hope there are more solutions in the market soon. I think it is about time all the confusing regarding TrueHD and DTS-MA support on the PC gets solved.

Anyway the Auzentech was a solution I was willing to wait for the positive things that have been advertised. But if it doesn't come out on March with the advertised features I think I'll have to make a pass.

There is a valid point on what the critics around here. I never bought an Auzentech card but I've been keeping my on they're track record since they made a good impression when the Prelude came out.

Since then it seams that they have troubles keeping up with schedules. They promissed an X-Tension card and then cancelled it. The prelude on release didn't have all the features. Some of them came later than expected from what I can remember.
The Auzentech Home Theater was anounced last year and since then it has been a continuous game of delays.

Things for Asus weren't any better but they seam to be delivering on promises faster. Asus doesn't hold the high cards of the X-Fi processor, EAX support and X-RAM but they have other high cards that are valuable enough such as sound quality and inovative solutions to allow compatibility with competitive formats such as EAX.

The Asus HDAV 1.3 did not suprise me for all the motifs that have been mentioned. Things seam to be getting better now but I don't see a bright light for people like me that want the best sound card for both gaming and movie watching.

For someone that is looking into buying a new gaming computer this leads to only one thing. Forget about the high end sound card market until it matures enough to provide a complete solution for what a demanding customer ask for today.

Fact is if I was into consoles the PS3 would turn out to be a plug and play solution with just enough good features and a good price.
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