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I just built a new PC (Q6600 + P35 mobo) and a HD-2600XT video card.

It runs VGA to a CRT monitor and projector. My system is (or should be...) fully compliant.


Powerdvd won't work on this PC, it errors out, points the to the BD advisor.

The BD advisor tells me that my Graphics Driver is non-compliant.

I've reinstalled Cat 8.9 and 8.10, no change. Reinstalled Powerdvd too.



Anydvd doesn't help as Powerdvd doesn't do squat unless the graphics driver is compliant....GRR.


I haven't tried an earlier Cat version.....has anyone else had this issue?

And I wonder why I rip my discs to MKV...but I would like to get Powerdvd working.

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HDCP wont work with an analog connection. If you want hdcp (drm) then you need to use a digital connection dvi or hdmi.

But you should be able to watch blu-rays over an analog connection without hdcp. Atleast according to spec. But then again Cyberlink dosent even follow the specs. PowerDVD even downsamples non protected audio.

My ATI 4850 and cat 8.10 works fine on my system with a digital connection (with HDCP). Plays blu-rays.

Try WinDVD 9 Trial. Should be able to play blu-rays with that atleast.

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8.10 working fine here with PDVD and a 3850 over HDMI.
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Powerdvd worked fine over VGA with my old mobo and the same video card, with Cat 8.6 (I think).


No one else running VGA?

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Ok, I got an e-mail thread response suggesting I try Anydvd HD. That thread is missing..


I already run Anydvd HD - it's a godsend. It doesn't help if Powerdvd thinks the graphics drivers are non-compliant.

I just changed mobos and reinstalled the PC with the latest Cat. It was working fine before over VGA, with or without Anydvd HD.

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As stated previously no analog interfaces such as VGA support HDCP regardless of what the drivers can support. Possibly before you were playing programs that did not requrie HDCP.
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Rubbish.

VGA is 100% allowed.

Last week I was watching both HD-DVD and Bluray discs with Powerdvd over VGA no problem. With or without Anydvd.

Install new mobo + CPU, rebuild PC, with same drivers (I just tried Cat 8.6..no go), and same Video card, and it doesn't work.

You do NOT need a digital connection for this to work.

I had it working last week, now with the new PC build it won't. I can't figure out why.

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Should be a driver problem, especially on a dual-display setup and a 2600xt. You could do a quick test connecting only one display. I'd bet it will work.

Anyway I would suggest trying with older drivers, even 7.x. Cat 7.7. was the best driver for this card IMO.

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VGA does not support HDCP.
What resolution were you using on the other system using VGA and are using the same resolution now? I ask since you were possibly using a resolution that did not require that the destination support HDCP.

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http://www.digitalconnection.com/FAQ/HDTV_12.asp
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Should be a driver problem, especially on a dual-display setup and a 2600xt. You could do a quick test connecting only one display. I'd bet it will work.

Anyway I would suggest trying with older drivers, even 7.x. Cat 7.7. was the best driver for this card IMO.


I installed Cat 8.3 and now it works.

The BD advisor took a little longer with this driver, and the screen blinked in the middle of the process and the it came good.

Cat 8.3 also installs a Visual C++ package. I don't know if it's related, but it works now.

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VGA does not support HDCP.
What resolution were you using on the other system using VGA and are using the same resolution now? I ask since you were possibly using a resolution that did not require that the destination support HDCP.

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http://www.digitalconnection.com/FAQ/HDTV_12.asp


I keep telling you that VGA is 100% permitted.

It doesn't support HDCP per se, but it is PERMITTED.

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Yes VGA is supported but it is not supported at HD resolutions when the source program require HDCP support to prevent copying of the HD program which is why I asked about the resolutions.
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Yes VGA is supported but it is not supported at HD resolutions when the source program require HDCP support to prevent copying of the HD program which is why I asked about the resolutions.

Not in the real world.

Nobody has set the Image Constaint Token yet.


I had a driver problem.

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Should be a driver problem, especially on a dual-display setup and a 2600xt. You could do a quick test connecting only one display. I'd bet it will work.

I had the same issue BD Advisor not says HDCP compliant with the 2600XT and 8.3 drivers - It had "dual displays" HDMI and VGA connected. I removed the VGA connection and now BD Advisor reports as HDCP compliant.

Is there a "workaround" to allow dual displays?

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I've had my best results with Cat 8.4.


I can run both monitors (VGA) and Powerdvd works.

However I just got subtitles working with BD/HD-DVD's remuxed to MKV so now I DON'T NEED POWERDVD ANYMORE!!

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I had the same issue BD Advisor not says HDCP compliant with the 2600XT and 8.3 drivers - It had "dual displays" HDMI and VGA connected. I removed the VGA connection and now BD Advisor reports as HDCP compliant.

Is there a "workaround" to allow dual displays?

Only workaround that I know is AnyDVDHD. Worked for me with Cat 8.3 on 2600xt and DVI/HDMI dual display setup. You might try with CAT 7.7 though first. That was the only drive that gave me full HA (dxva/AVC,VC1,mpeg2) on the 2600xt.

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