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post #181 of 283 Old 02-17-2010, 06:34 AM
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Sorry I could not help you more. I had to be at your place to see what you mean. And we have no references to depend on. In this way we may speak and speak but mean completely different things. As a consequence of watching many endless discussions leading to nowhere I built Slicies for *everybody*. Amazing enough that this worked.

Don't worry about it, you've helped me so much already. At least I know VA is working, given the results from your Slicies test files. Hopefully I get to the bottom of my DVD playback query, but until then, thanks again blaubart.
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i was watching SDTV 480i using Clarkdale IGP and noticed a lot of interlacing artifacts. So i tested the SD benchmark and noticed that it's Motion Adaptive at best, maybe Adaptive. It's not great. HD deinterlacing may actually be better on the Clarkdale than SD.
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I see no issue in SD deinterlacing in my Clarkdale system. Intel IGDs have been good in this area (e.g. check this article).

Which video decoder are you using?
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I was watching using WMC so MS DTV-DVD
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Maybe DXVA is not working for some reason. Did you play "SD Test Patterns" in the first post with MPC HomeCinema + MS DTV-DVD or PDVD Video/SP?
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That's what I used as the test. Here's screenshots using Dxva checker with PDVD renderer. I think DXVA is functioning but the deinterlacing still sucks, especially when the guy jerks his head, you can discern interlacing lines on the rim of his glasses. When his head settles, it smoothes out. Don't think I noticed this with a Radeon VA.
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Also while I have your attention, I have attached a screenshot of Dxva checker when opening a H264 file (actually the 1080i H.264 version of Cheese slices). Notice how the PDVD decoder is noticably missing from the directshow decoders list. I think this may be the reason why PDVD can't play my blu-ray movies correctly (black and white, zoomed in, and white stripes across the screen). There's no decoder detected. What do you get when opening a H.264 file with Dxva checker?
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kevinqian,
I can't say exactly if it is VA on your screenshot cause the rippling is not always the same while his head is jerking. But looks more like VA?

I've updated post #1, maybe it helps:

As you can see in the above screenshot (original size) the differences between VA and MA are very significant and easy to distinguish. Important is the upper fat rim of his glasses:
- VA smooth, MA rippling
Note: the lower rim of his glasses will sometimes show very slight rippling even with VA. Switching to full screen is like magnifying glass to the ripples depending on the size of your screen.

If you are still unsure exit MPC, enter Catalyst Control Center and switch to Motion adaptive. Then start the pattern again. If there's no difference or Vector adaptive is not selectable in CCC you've got other problems...
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blaubart, I appreciate the explanation. I guess if that's VA then that settles it. Thanks!
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Of course I didn't want to say slight deinterlacing differences between GPU's are not possible! I hope it is not understood like this! Especially because the impact of VA - MA differences is much stronger playing SD video then 1080i.
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can anyone tell me which of the current 5 series Radeons is capable of V/A Deinterlacing?
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can anyone tell me which of the current 5 series Radeons is capable of V/A Deinterlacing?

Every card. The lowest-end HD 5450 has a restriction however: all the other post-processing features (edge enhancement, de-noise, dynamic contrast etc.) must be disabled.
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Every card. The lowest-end HD 5450 has a restriction however: all the other post-processing features (edge enhancement, de-noise, dynamic contrast etc.) must be disabled.

So what's your opinion of those extra options? Are they necessary or desirable to use and under what circumstances? I have never tinkered with those other post-processing features of AVIVO.
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Thanks so much for the great pattern. I was able to determine that my Kuro de-interlaces better than my 9400GT. I can't seem to tell if it as good as the 5570, but the video reference section shows no jaggies so I'm happy.

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first of all, thanks for a nice test!

can it be safe to assume that any card that is said to be able to properly va deinterlace 1080i mpeg-2 can also properly va deinterlace 1080i h.264? thanks.
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first of all, thanks for a nice test!

can it be safe to assume that any card that is said to be able to properly va deinterlace 1080i mpeg-2 can also properly va deinterlace 1080i h.264? thanks.

Yeah, you can safely assume so. Deinterlacing comes after decoding.
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hello everybody

I buyed a new videocard, an Ati HD4350.
Can someone explain what do i exactly need to play mpeg2 and h264
1080i files with dvxa and with Ati vector adaptive hw. deinterlacing?
I have xp sp3, dx9 web update, latest catalyst, mpc hc, haali splitter, ffdshow..

thanks in advance!
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Stay away form HD 4350. The best deinterlacing method supported by this card is Adaptive.
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It has vectore adaptive. It isn't good?
Then, any software decoder that can do spatial temporal method?
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It has vectore adaptive. It isn't good?
Then, any software decoder that can do spatial temporal method?

What you see in CCC is often different from what is actually working. That's a reason why Cheese Slices exists.

There is no software deinterlacer that is equivalent to a good hardware deinterlacer such as HD 4670/5670.
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Can someone point me to someplace where I can download the test files? The links in the OP appear broken, and a search of this thread for download didn't yield anything. I'm particularly interested in 480i MPEG2 VOB, 1080i H.264 and 1080i VC-1, with the latter two in MKV. TIA. /jab
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Seems drop.io has pushed me out? I'll work on it.. or somebody has an idea where else to host them?
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Put it in your public Dropbox folder and copy the public links?
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Thanks to tsanga my faithful friend, I needed this tip. Links should work again now.

I have also Win7 now and WMP playing fine the VC-1 mkv Slices.
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This is what I get using the ATI decoder with VA. Card is a 3870 with 10.4 and the latest AVIVO package.



Any suggestions?

Updated the driver to 10.6 with no improvement.
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Thanks to tsanga my faithful friend, I needed this tip. Links should work again now.

Thank you!
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This is what I get using the ATI decoder with VA. Card is a 3870 with 10.4 and the latest AVIVO package.



Any suggestions?

Updated the driver to 10.6 with no improvement.

hmmm, I've seen that somewhere before.. I would say try some different renderers/decoders.
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Same results with EVR and VMR9.

What other decoders can use the ATI vector adaptive and pulldown features?

I've tried Nvidia, Intervideo, Cyberlink, Elecard and none of those do pulldown at all so I get ghosting in film content.
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HD pulldown detection is necessary only for HD movies *broadcast* (1080p24 [original] -> 1080i60 [broadcast format by pulldown] -> 1080p24 [restore original by pulldown detection])... and 3870 is enough for proper pulldown detection.
Film vertical and horizontal resolution test with motion and 3:2 pulldown 1920x1080 (filmrez.ts) is a good test pattern.
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Jesse S, the Slices do not need pulldown. They play fine with and without. Maybe you tried the h.264 Slices? They do not work properly with some renderers. But MPEG-2 Slices + Cyberlink or MS-DTV DVD Decoder should run fine anyway.
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