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Jobber8742's Avatar Jobber8742 05:01 PM 04-17-2012
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Originally Posted by cjbrown80 View Post

Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol Bluray has a forced subtitle track - the third English track (4610) - contains 87 subs and they are scope friendly, but are a little bit high on the screen, kind of annoying. Cheers!

Okay, I'm totally lost on this whole forced subtitle thing. I use MakeMKV to make MKV from my Blu-Rays. I play them back in MediaBrowser. I select all the forced subtitle tracks, but I'm still missing some forced subtitles. What do I need to do?

I downloaded the clown program, but what do I use it for? I don't have AnyDVD or anything like that. I just want the forced subtitles, and only the forced subtitles to show up at the right time. How do I make that happen. I'm currently trying to make MI: Ghost Protocol work. Thanks.

Brajesh's Avatar Brajesh 05:26 PM 04-17-2012
Thanks cjbrown80. MakeMKV is easy to use, but sucks at picking up forced subs.
Killroy's Avatar Killroy 05:27 PM 04-17-2012
If you are making MKVs and all you want is forced subs and no others then eac3to command line or anothereac3togui will be your best bet.
Jobber8742's Avatar Jobber8742 08:41 PM 04-17-2012
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If you are making MKVs and all you want is forced subs and no others then eac3to command line or anothereac3togui will be your best bet.

Everything I see says eac3to requires AnyDVD. I have no interest in paying that kind of money. I want to find an option that isn't going to cost me an arm and a leg.
Killroy's Avatar Killroy 08:47 PM 04-17-2012
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Everything I see says eac3to requires AnyDVD. I have no interest in paying that kind of money. I want to find an option that isn't going to cost me an arm and a leg.

Hate to tell ya... not too many options for that...if any. The entire process has borderline legalities so you won't find many.

AnyDVD is expensive but its very worth it for what it does.
Jobber8742's Avatar Jobber8742 09:00 PM 04-17-2012
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Hate to tell ya... not too many options for that...if any. The entire process has borderline legalities so you won't find many.

AnyDVD is expensive but its very worth it for what it does.

Isn't there any way to rip it with MakeMKV with subs, extract subs from MKV, flag the subs a forced, then recombine with mkvmerge?
steelman1991's Avatar steelman1991 01:46 AM 04-18-2012
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Originally Posted by Jobber8742 View Post

Isn't there any way to rip it with MakeMKV with subs, extract subs from MKV, flag the subs a forced, then recombine with mkvmerge?

If MakeMKV is ripping the correct subtitle stream, but isn't flagging them correctly - just open the file with mkvmerge and change the header options (and save) - no need to extract and remux.
sebberry's Avatar sebberry 02:03 AM 04-22-2012
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Originally Posted by cjbrown80 View Post

Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol Bluray has a forced subtitle track - the third English track (4610) - contains 87 subs and they are scope friendly, but are a little bit high on the screen, kind of annoying. Cheers!

I grabbed the English subtitles, but of course MakeMKV ignored all the Russian translation subs and got all the subtitls for English spoken words instead.

Why don't they just make English translation subtitles of foreign languages part of the video frame?
evilengineer's Avatar evilengineer 02:36 PM 04-22-2012
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Why don't they just make English translation subtitles of foreign languages part of the video frame?

Because that means you can't use the same video master for any version destined for a non English speaking market!
XvMMvX's Avatar XvMMvX 02:51 PM 04-22-2012
I am going to make this easy on you guys

1. Pick movie you want to rip.
2. Go to subscene.org and search said movie
3. Look in English section for forced subs
4. Incorporate said subs into mkv as you wish
5. ???
6. Profit

I personally use ripbot and burn into image if I am transcoding. If I am keeping it as is and just repackaging I set it to the English track and turn them on. I haven't found a way to make a forced track that is always ok.

If I lose my hearing some day and need full English subtitle I am screwed and will have to start over.
dbone1026's Avatar dbone1026 02:55 PM 04-22-2012
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Originally Posted by XvMMvX View Post

I am going to make this easy on you guys

1. Pick movie you want to rip.
2. Go to subscribe.org and search said movie
3. Look in English section for forced subs
4. Incorporate said subs into mkv as you wish
5. ???
6. Profit

I personally use ripbot and burn into image if I am transcoding. If I am keeping it as is and just repackaging I set it to the English track and turn them on. I haven't found a way to make a forced track that is always ok.

If I lose my hearing some day and need full English subtitle I am screwed and will have to start over.

With mkvmerge you set the forced subtitle track to forced. Once that is done it is all dependent on what player you use to play back your mkvs. If a player supports forced subtitles in mkvs it should automatically be displayed without having to turn on subtitles. If it does not, then you have to turn on subs manually
XvMMvX's Avatar XvMMvX 04:33 PM 04-22-2012
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With mkvmerge you set the forced subtitle track to forced. Once that is done it is all dependent on what player you use to play back your mkvs. If a player supports forced subtitles in mkvs it should automatically be displayed without having to turn on subtitles. If it does not, then you have to turn on subs manually

In my experience this doesn't work as advertised on WMC or XMBC. To make it work well you have to set it as forced and default and it has to be the ONLY sub track in the mkv.... There is not a codec or program out there that will do it correctly. The only one I have found is VLC and I am working on a remote solution that is easy for family.

Unfortunately buring in is the best option. You just have to transcode which is a lossy process.
dbone1026's Avatar dbone1026 04:41 PM 04-22-2012
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Originally Posted by XvMMvX View Post

In my experience this doesn't work as advertised on WMC or XMBC. To make it work well you have to set it as forced and default and it has to be the ONLY sub track in the mkv.... There is not a codec or program out there that will do it correctly. The only one I have found is VLC and I am working on a remote solution that is easy for family.

Unfortunately buring in is the best option. You just have to transcode which is a lossy process.

As I mentioned, it is the software you are using I don't recall ever seeing WMC or XBMC advertise forced subtitle support, but especially WMC which is very poor OOTB

MPC + Lav Filters support forced subs perfectly. You should also be able to use LAV + WMC for forced subtitle support. XBMC does not allow you to use 3rd party codec packs (unless you want to use DSPLayer which is no longer developers). Out of all the media players out there more are starting to support forced subs in mkvs, but it has been a long process
steelman1991's Avatar steelman1991 02:18 AM 04-23-2012
Media Portal - again with LAV filter and mpc-hc subtitle engine supports forced subtitles flagging as does XBMC which was one of the first to.
cigga24's Avatar cigga24 10:11 AM 05-05-2012
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Originally Posted by cjbrown80 View Post

Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol Bluray has a forced subtitle track - the third English track (4610) - contains 87 subs and they are scope friendly, but are a little bit high on the screen, kind of annoying. Cheers!

Track 13
Sammy2's Avatar Sammy2 09:32 AM 05-07-2012
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Originally Posted by Tim Doane View Post

Seven out of ten episodes of Game Of Throne has forced subtitles in it.

-Tim

Does anybody have a list of these?
TFalcon's Avatar TFalcon 05:03 PM 05-10-2012
The following BluRay movies have forced subtitles and I did not see in the list:

Jack and Jill (2011) - Track 6
The Darkest Hour (2011) - Track 5
The Godfather (1972) - Track 8
The Godfather Part II (1974) - Track 8
The Godfather Part III (1990) - Track 7
The Sum of All Fears (2002) - Track 6
The Whistleblower (2010) - Track 5
Sammy2's Avatar Sammy2 05:24 PM 05-10-2012
Thanks!

IDK if anybody is even maintaining the speadsheet but I think anyone can revise it and save it sort of like an un-moderated wiki.
augerpro's Avatar augerpro 11:58 AM 05-11-2012
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Originally Posted by XvMMvX View Post

I am going to make this easy on you guys

1. Pick movie you want to rip.
2. Go to subscene.org and search said movie
3. Look in English section for forced subs
4. Incorporate said subs into mkv as you wish
5. ???
6. Profit

I personally use ripbot and burn into image if I am transcoding. If I am keeping it as is and just repackaging I set it to the English track and turn them on. I haven't found a way to make a forced track that is always ok.

If I lose my hearing some day and need full English subtitle I am screwed and will have to start over.

Will try this, thanks!! I still don't understand why this is such a PITA. If my standalone player plays everything right without me doing anything, why the hell can't the rippers figure it out!!
Sammy2's Avatar Sammy2 12:05 PM 05-11-2012
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Originally Posted by augerpro View Post

Will try this, thanks!! I still don't understand why this is such a PITA. If my standalone player plays everything right without me doing anything, why the hell can't the rippers figure it out!!

That's the game. I do believe that ripping software is reverse-engineered stuff and maybe they haven't figured it all out.
Killroy's Avatar Killroy 10:43 PM 05-12-2012
"This Means War" has 7 forced subs in its own track (labeled). Not scope friendly.
LoneAspen's Avatar LoneAspen 10:21 AM 05-13-2012
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Originally Posted by augerpro View Post

Will try this, thanks!! I still don't understand why this is such a PITA. If my standalone player plays everything right without me doing anything, why the hell can't the rippers figure it out!!

I thought about using subscene too, but haven't yet (also note - it's subscene.com, not .org)

But every time I search for a movie, like Avatar, there are dozens of subtitle files there, and I have no clue which to try. There's a rudimentary rating system ("rated good") but even then, for a movie like Avatar, there are still what looks like 50 entries to pick from.

I don't know why Blu-ray subtitles are so damn difficult to process in the HTPC world. I agree with the previous poster who said standalone players work...why don't HTPC players "just work"?
Killroy's Avatar Killroy 11:10 AM 05-13-2012
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Originally Posted by LoneAspen View Post

I don't know why Blu-ray subtitles are so damn difficult to process in the HTPC world. I agree with the previous poster who said standalone players work...why don't HTPC players "just work"?

Actually, lately MPC-HC has been real good with forced subs in either mkv or m2ts. Not sure about .ts since I don't use that.

It has honored the forced flags with no issues.
cjbrown80's Avatar cjbrown80 04:44 PM 05-17-2012
The Intruders BD has forced subs, 2nd Eng track, should be 264 total subs and it looks like they're scope friendly.
shortcut3d's Avatar shortcut3d 01:18 AM 05-26-2012
Studio burned-in embedded forced English subtitles on US Blu-ray:
Contagion
Contraband
The Debt
Fast Five
Tim Doane's Avatar Tim Doane 04:08 AM 05-28-2012
Cars 2 - track 16. Doesn't seemed to be coded to be forced, but there are two lines of subtitled english.

-Tim
Kalani's Avatar Kalani 11:58 AM 05-29-2012
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Originally Posted by cjbrown80 View Post

Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol Bluray has a forced subtitle track - the third English track (4610) - contains 87 subs and they are scope friendly, but are a little bit high on the screen, kind of annoying. Cheers!

Timely tip! I just ripped my MI4 BR this past weekend and handbraked it, haven't checked the result yet but it looks like I'll want to re-check that before I dump the rip.

Sidenote, the latest nightly release of Handbrake looks like it might support BR subs, FINALLY. This will be a good test!
Nbenekos's Avatar Nbenekos 11:02 AM 06-01-2012
I am a total newbie on ripping my dvd / blu ray library collection. I just recently started making backup copies of library. I am using anydvd hd, then using Handbrake to encode to MKV. I have found this to be the easy way for myself to rip the movies. Again I am new to this so EASY is the way for me. I have come across movies in my library that have forced subtitles in them but do not show up on my rips. I would like to know if anyone could help me out and give me a step by step walk through on how I can get the forced subtitles to show up in my rips. I would like to continue to use Handbrake since I am comfortable with the program. Anyone care to help me out. Thanks
Sammy2's Avatar Sammy2 11:14 AM 06-01-2012
Damien's (dbone1026 on avs) awesome guide. You might want to take a look at Ripping Blu-rays II also.
Wayne Gale's Avatar Wayne Gale 06:09 PM 06-10-2012
Here are a couple for the list, all US Blu Ray

The Thing (2011) Hardcoded for Norwegian or Dutch parts ( don't remember which it was)
Lock Stock And Two Smoking Barrels (1998) Hardcoded for British slang to English
American Gangster (2008) Hardcoded for Vietnamese parts
Quantum Of Solace (2008) Hardcoded for French/Spanish parts
Ip Man (2008) Forced - clearly labeled Cantonese. Your choice between English dubbed audio or Cantonese audio/ Eng subs
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