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For those that rip movies but like to include forced subtitles, I've started a database. This list will let you know before you start the process if you need to worry about Forced Subtitles or not.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkGO8UqErL6idDhYYjg1ZXlORnRaM3ZhTks4Z3FrYlE&usp=sharing



If anyone would like to assist me in adding to this database, let me know.

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Black Hawk Down subs for the Somalian (sp?) parts are burned in on the Blu-ray.
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Iron Man - Arabic spoken when the terrorist bad guy is terrorizing villagers
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Iron Man - Arabic spoken when the terrorist bad guy is terrorizing villagers

Added thanks.
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I haven't updated my (our) list since 12/2008 but these are the ones I had till then:
  • 30 Days of Night
  • Air Force One
  • Astronaut Farmer, The
  • Bridge Too Far, A - GER & DUT translation
  • Dracula
  • District B13 - French version
  • Eastern Promises - RUS translation
  • Equilibrium HD DVD (JAP) - some ENG subs
  • Enemy at the Gates
  • Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift, The
  • Flammen & Citronen
  • Godfather I, II, & III - ITA translation
  • Great Raid, The
  • Hidalgo
  • Hitman
  • Hunt for Red October, The - RUS translation
  • Iron Man
  • Kill Bill Vol. 1 and Vol. 2
  • Ocean's 13
  • Pan's Labyrinth
  • Pianist, The
  • Proposition, The
  • Rendition
  • Replacement Killers, The
  • Ronin - FRE translation
  • Stargate - Alien translation
  • Traffic
  • Transporter
  • Vantage Point
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Here are some others that I found:
  • The Mummy
  • The Mummy Returns
  • The Rundown
  • Dragon Wars
  • Paprika
  • The Professionals
  • Che Part 1 & 2
  • The International
  • Grand Torino
  • Defiance
  • Immortel
  • Hannibal Rising (only one caption)
  • Star Trek VI
  • Star Trek V
  • Star Trek III
  • Star Trek
  • Persepolis
  • Da Vinci Code
  • Mean Girls
  • Babylon A.D.
  • The Eye
  • Blindness
  • Dance With Wolves
  • Bangkok Dangerous
  • Pathfinder
  • The Legend of Zorro
  • The Mutant Chronicles
  • The Mummy Dragon Emperor
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Killroy, are all those forced or burned-in?
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Those are forced. I have a folder with the forced subs that I create as I find them.
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Keep in mind there are 2 types of forced subtitles that I know of... One type are the ones that are flagged inside the .sup file (BD) the other type is just a much smaller file then the regular .sup file...Then also there are also what I call "noise" subtitles, it seems like I have seen those sometimes in a seperate file.


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The ones I mentioned above are the ones "flagged" inside the sup file. Mostly for non-English portions or for non-English signs that need to be translated.

Sometimes the "forced" subs will be in the same sup as the main English subs like this:

"6 - Subtitle (PGS), English, 544 captions, 27 forced captions.sup"

or they will be in their own sup file (but very seldom do I see these):

"14 - Subtitle (PGS), English, 27 captions.sup"

The second type is a little harder to spot since you do not know if they are forced or just subs for a commentary track or something else. I usually just open them in SupRip and see what they are.
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The second type is a little harder to spot since you do not know if they are forced or just subs for a commentary track or something else. I usually just open them in SupRip and see what they are.

What I do in AnotherEac3toGUI is first look for the flagged forced, then look for a file that is less than 20 times smaller than the largest .sup file in the default language. The only movie I have found that was that way was Gran Torino....And it does successfully detect it and create an .IDX file using BDSupToSub. It could return a false positive however or miss it competely. There actually is a registry hack that exposes 20 times factor. At some point I will add it to the options dialog.

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Is there any software that will just scan a movie and tell you if the subs are forced or not and in what track they're located? I'd like to do that before I start the lengthy process of converting.
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Is there any software that will just scan a movie and tell you if the subs are forced or not and in what track they're located? I'd like to do that before I start the lengthy process of converting.

Unfortuantely there is no software that will scan the disk (rip) and tell you what tracks contain forced subs without demuxing the tracks first.

eac3to will only give you the full caption list after the demux. Here is an example of before the demux:

Code:
12: Subtitle (PGS), English
13: Subtitle (PGS), Chinese
14: Subtitle (PGS), Korean
15: Subtitle (PGS), Portuguese
16: Subtitle (PGS), Arabic
17: Subtitle (PGS), Indonesian
18: Subtitle (PGS), Bulgarian
19: Subtitle (PGS), Croatian
20: Subtitle (PGS), Czech
21: Subtitle (PGS), Estonian
22: Subtitle (PGS), Modern Greek
23: Subtitle (PGS), Hebrew
24: Subtitle (PGS), Hungarian
25: Subtitle (PGS), Icelandic
and this is after the demux:

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Subtitle track 12 contains 1082 captions, 195 forced captions.
Subtitle track 13 contains 935 captions.
Subtitle track 14 contains 929 captions.
Subtitle track 15 contains 922 captions.
Subtitle track 16 contains 940 captions.
Subtitle track 17 contains 928 captions.
Subtitle track 18 contains 947 captions.
Subtitle track 19 contains 928 captions.
Subtitle track 20 contains 815 captions.
Subtitle track 21 contains 716 captions.
Subtitle track 22 contains 882 captions.
Subtitle track 23 contains 940 captions.
Subtitle track 24 contains 844 captions.
Subtitle track 25 contains 930 captions.
Also, some discs will not have forced captions in the same track as the rest of the subs but one track with the forced captions all by themselves. So in the above example you would have an English track that will say this:

Code:
Subtitle track 37 contains 195 captions.
Track #37 being a second English track. So it's always a good idea to open smaller English sub tracks in SupRip and see what they are.

BTW... the latest version of eac3to (3.16) for some reason does not give me the forced caption info but version 3.15 does.
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I added the chapter information, but do you know which Subtitle track it's on?
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I added the chapter information, but do you know which Subtitle track it's on?

BDSuptoSub does not report the chapter just the timecode. Which I supose you could figure out what chapter. I don't know about SupRip...Probably need to look into it.

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I don't know about SupRip...Probably need to look into it.

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Nope. Timeline only.
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Unfortuantely there is no software that will scan the disk (rip) and tell you what tracks contain forced subs without demuxing the tracks first.

eac3to will only give you the full caption list after the demux. Here is an example of before the demux:

Code:
12: Subtitle (PGS), English
13: Subtitle (PGS), Chinese
14: Subtitle (PGS), Korean
15: Subtitle (PGS), Portuguese
16: Subtitle (PGS), Arabic
17: Subtitle (PGS), Indonesian
18: Subtitle (PGS), Bulgarian
19: Subtitle (PGS), Croatian
20: Subtitle (PGS), Czech
21: Subtitle (PGS), Estonian
22: Subtitle (PGS), Modern Greek
23: Subtitle (PGS), Hebrew
24: Subtitle (PGS), Hungarian
25: Subtitle (PGS), Icelandic
and this is after the demux:

Code:
Subtitle track 12 contains 1082 captions, 195 forced captions.
Subtitle track 13 contains 935 captions.
Subtitle track 14 contains 929 captions.
Subtitle track 15 contains 922 captions.
Subtitle track 16 contains 940 captions.
Subtitle track 17 contains 928 captions.
Subtitle track 18 contains 947 captions.
Subtitle track 19 contains 928 captions.
Subtitle track 20 contains 815 captions.
Subtitle track 21 contains 716 captions.
Subtitle track 22 contains 882 captions.
Subtitle track 23 contains 940 captions.
Subtitle track 24 contains 844 captions.
Subtitle track 25 contains 930 captions.
Also, some discs will not have forced captions in the same track as the rest of the subs but one track with the forced captions all by themselves. So in the above example you would have an English track that will say this:

Code:
Subtitle track 37 contains 195 captions.
Track #37 being a second English track. So it's always a good idea to open smaller English sub tracks in SupRip and see what they are.

BTW... the latest version of eac3to (3.16) for some reason does not give me the forced caption info but version 3.15 does.

Thanks for that information. What I'd ultimately like to do is having a program detect forced subs so I know how to proceed. I used Ripbot for Ironman and hadn't realized I was missing the subtitles from that one scene.

Also, I'm currently about to rip a TV show we own. I use AutoGK for all my TV shows but so far I know none of them have had subtitles at all. So not sure if I'll be missing something, and we won't get to watch them for a few weeks.
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BTW, Iron Man has two scenes that need subs. The one you have listed and the other one with Tony and the other guy in the cave building the rocket.

Timeline starts at 00:24:19,708 and the scene that ends with 00:32:57,933.

Second scene starts at 01:16:27,291 ends at 01:27:46,593.
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Thanks for that information. What I'd ultimately like to do is having a program detect forced subs so I know how to proceed. I used Ripbot for Ironman and hadn't realized I was missing the subtitles from that one scene.

That's why I always rip all English subs then run them through BDSupToSub to preserve only the forced. Works like a charm.
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I redid the info for Iron Man. I found the forced subs, and was able to redo my mkv. I used TSmuxer to demux the english only sub tracks and found the smallest one.
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Can anyone remember if T2 has subs? I thought there might be something in the scene where they go to Mexico but there was nothing. Strange that there are 8 English sub tracks on the Skynet Edition BD.
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I don't have my media server running but I think they are burned in if it has any.
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Ok thanks Killroy.

What program did you use to have it display this information?

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Subtitle track 12 contains 1082 captions, 195 forced captions.

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eac3to shows that info after you demux.
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eac3to shows that info after you demux.

Did you use a gui or the command line version?
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It doesn't matter but I use command line.
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It doesn't matter but I use command line.

I just tried to rip all the subs with AnotherEAC3gui and the file names afterwards were just standard, they didn't have any further information like yours did.
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1. Make sure you are using 3.15 (3.16 does not work for me).

2. Do a full demux not just an individual track demux.

Best method is this: eac3to e:\\ 1) c:\\(destination)\ itle.mkv

That will do a demux of all tracks with lossless tracks converted to flac while others (ac3, dts, dts-hr) keep their native format.
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1. Make sure you are using 3.15 (3.16 does not work for me).

2. Do a full demux not just an individual track demux.

Best method is this: eac3to e:\\ 1) c:\\(destination)\ itle.mkv

That will do a demux of all tracks with lossless tracks converted to flac while others (ac3, dts, dts-hr) keep their native format.

I just wanted the subs, I generally use Ripbot for my converting purposes because it is currently the only gui that can resize to 720p.
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I don't know any other way to make eac3to to show the sub info other than to demux the entire disk. You want to ask madshi on the doom9 eac3to thread.
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