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If anyone doubted that corporations now run the world that article should be enough to change their minds. Of course those kinds of draconian protectionist treaties will only create a permanent software black-market and increase lawlessness. I don't think it's a surprise that it is happening though and it won't be a surprise when it passes because I doubt many people will speak-up against it. The interests that control the entertainment industries want to be able to charge the consumer every time we look at or listen to something - and it looks as if they may get their wish.
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The copyright cartels are dead corps walking - the Internet's entire reason for existence (driving distribution costs to zero) is 100% counter to their business model (maximizing distribution fees). They will lose this fight and ultimately go the way of the buggy whip makers. But they've got so much money and clout from their previous success that their death throes will be hugely destructive to our entire society - cutting deeply at our basic constitutional rights in their struggles to stop the inevitable.

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What makes you think they will lose? They passed DMCA and it looks like they will pass ACTA too. Once its law you can't do much about it short of a revolution and overthrowing the powers that be. For that to happen people need to be aware this is happening, but no one does. Ask your friends if they've even heard of this, chances are most haven't, and don't care. They will pass the laws in secret. And this should prove once and for all that Obama is not going to bring about any 'change', he's just another greedy politician.
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They might not loose on passing these laws but they will fail on enforcement. There of course will be a few unfortunate casualties but overall they will not succeed.

These laws are simply nothing more than desperate last ditch efforts of the dinosaurs and you know already know how the story ends.
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What makes you think they will lose? They passed DMCA and it looks like they will pass ACTA too. Once its law you can't do much about it short of a revolution and overthrowing the powers that be. For that to happen people need to be aware this is happening, but no one does. Ask your friends if they've even heard of this, chances are most haven't, and don't care. They will pass the laws in secret. And this should prove once and for all that Obama is not going to bring about any 'change', he's just another greedy politician.

Just keep in mind that there are 535 other federal elected representatives that are also doing nothing to stop this. I think this is much less proof that Obama is a greedy politician than it is proof that America has undergone a merger of corporate and government powers - what Mussolini himself considered a fascist state. It is scary but goes far beyond Obama and run of the mill greed. Obama is the president but he doesn't make policy, corporations do.
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If anyone doubted that corporations now run the world that article should be enough to change their minds. Of course those kinds of draconian protectionist treaties will only create a permanent software black-market and increase lawlessness. I don't think it's a surprise that it is happening though and it won't be a surprise when it passes because I doubt many people will speak-up against it. The interests that control the entertainment industries want to be able to charge the consumer every time we look at or listen to something - and it looks as if they may get their wish.


I always wonder what would happen if nobody bought any movie or music for one year .... if the media behemoths would become more humble?
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I always wonder what would happen if nobody bought any movie or music for one year .... if the media behemoths would become more humble?

They would panic and mass hysteria would prevail in the industry... but of course they know we can't stop consuming.
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What makes you think they will lose? They passed DMCA and it looks like they will pass ACTA too.

Sure, they passed the DMCA, but how much copying did that prevent? About as much as ACTA will. They may win the battle, but the war is already lost. All they can do now is go out as sore losers.

Every American who backs up a DVD they purchased is already breaking the law. Do they really think anybody is going to balk at breaking another one?
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I always wonder what would happen if nobody bought any movie or music for one year .... if the media behemoths would become more humble?

They would probably be able to pass a law that forces you to buy 50 CDs and 75 movies every year, and fine you if you didn't do so.
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Would you purchase movies and music voluntarily IF the "protection" was removed?

I ask the question because that's what it would take to have a more open market. If the producers of the content believed you would, they would have to consider it.

Right now, each side looks at the other side as the enemy.

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They would probably be able to pass a law that forces you to buy 50 CDs and 75 movies every year, and fine you if you didn't do so.

Sadly this is a very realistic option


We would probably hear: "Our sales are 80% down instead of 200% up, like we predicted, so this can ONLY be cause by pirating and now there will be a monthly pirate tax on each internet connection, PC and other media playing device!"

Swiftly and secretly legislated....
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If they sold CD's for reasonable prices there would be less pirating. Why does a CD need to cost close to $20? If they sold them for $10 a lot of people wouldn't bother pirating.

Same for operating systems. If Microsoft went back to their $50 pre-order price they would sell a lot more copies. I doubt OEMs pay much more than $50. Most users never replace their OS until they build a new PC. Many people who built their own PC's are running pirated software (Pirated windows is the 2nd most used OS on the planet).
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or why do the songs on a CD if legally bought as MP3 for around $1 each cost also $20 ?? For that you get:

- No safe long term medium (the CD)

- Save the songs yourself

- often DRM crippled songs, that only play between the hours of 6 pm to 8 pm or some other BS restricitons. And if the DRM server is killed you cant use your stuff anymore. I have to admit that point doesnt count as nobody in their right mind buys DRM music anyways.

- If the songs are watermarked with your personal data (yes that exists) and then lost or stolen YOU will be paying to RIAA for that (Guilty until proven innocent)

- Less sound quality

- less rights on "your" music, or better: the music you temporariliy borrowed but have no rights to.

- no right to sell "your" music like you could with a CD

- likely if you get searched at customs (lilelyhood for that increases every year) its up to YOU to prove the 300 MP3 they found are actually legally "yours". How do you do that? Carry 300 receipts around at all times for the next 50 years?

Looks like a pretty bad deal to me ...
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