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post #1 of 54 Old 01-17-2010, 05:25 PM - Thread Starter
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I know there have been numerous threads on this topic, and I've read them all. But, even though I don't think I'm stupid, I still can't figure out which to get.

My criteria:
1. PQ
2. Fanless
3. Low power / heat
4. Price

It's for watching mainly OTA 1080i recorded on a Hauppauge 2250, fed to a Denon 2310CI AVR (via HDMI cable, I assume). No gaming whatsoever.

In order of ascending price:
$35 Gigabyte 4550
$51 Sapphire 4550
$70 HIS 4650
$87 HIS 4670

Obviously the price differences are fairly small, but OTOH, why spend $87 if a $35 card will do exactly as well for me.

Can anyone help me decide? Thanks!

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Originally Posted by KenIAm View Post

I know there have been numerous threads on this topic, and I've read them all. But, even though I don't think I'm stupid, I still can't figure out which to get.

My criteria:
1. PQ
2. Fanless
3. Low power / heat
4. Price

It's for watching mainly OTA 1080i recorded on a Hauppauge 2250, fed to a Denon 2310CI AVR (via HDMI cable, I assume). No gaming whatsoever.

In order of ascending price:
$35 Gigabyte 4550
$51 Sapphire 4550
$70 HIS 4650
$87 HIS 4670

Obviously the price differences are fairly small, but OTOH, why spend $87 if a $35 card will do exactly as well for me.

Can anyone help me decide? Thanks!

Ken

The 4670 will use Vector Adaptive 1080i deinterlacing, while the others may not.

Blu-ray: 50+
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it all boils down to 1080i Deinterlacing quality. VA vs. MA. What is acceptable to you will determine your decision. Personal experience tells me the much vaunted VA deinterlacing does not give you the night and day benefit over MA. But if you are a PQ perfectionist, spend away.
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The 4550 is a very solid card for the price.
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PQ is the most important thing to me, however I definitely don't qualify for "perfectionist" level. Since I don't have any experience with VA or MA deinterlacing, Kevin, your comments were exactly what I needed.

Sounds like the Gigabyte or Sapphire 4550 should be fine, then. Thanks, guys, very much!
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If you don't mind Nvidia, a GT 220 will also get you VA deinterlacing (according to Renethx) for about $50. Slap on a fanless cooler for another $10 and you are golden.

I just bought this fanless cooler and it works great for my video card.

http://www.compuvest.com/Search.jsp?...u=332000788-00
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Thanks, Kevin, but I do prefer ATI right now.
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you can get Asus 4650 for $25 AR from newegg.com.

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you can get Asus 4650 for $25 AR from newegg.com.

It looks like $30, but either way, that's a great AR price. Except the reviews are pretty mixed, it has a fan (quiet apparently, but fans sometimes get noisier after a while), but even so there are some complaints it runs very hot.

I think I'd prefer the Gigabyte 4550 for $5 more, but thanks for the suggestion.

If I had a chance, though, I'd reorder my priorities. My HTPC has somewhat poor airflow, so "low heat" has to be right after PQ.
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poor airflow and passive coolers do not mix. You might want to reconsider getting a fanless.
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The 4670 scores higher on the HQV tests. The 4550 comes with it's own issues.

If it were me i'd get the 4670 out of your choices. But then it's not too far off from the price of a 5670 which I plan on picking up soon.

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Try these 1920x1080x60p clips:

http://jp.sanyo.com/xacti/products/l...00/sample.html

archer75 is right. Get a 5670 if you need a 4670 class card.
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poor airflow and passive coolers do not mix. You might want to reconsider getting a fanless.

I'm used to systems in which the graphics cards are never taxed, so don't become anything beyond warm. I'm afraid that might not be the case here, so you may be right. I've never owned a graphics card with a fan, so that's perhaps much of my hesitancy.

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If it were me i'd get the 4670 out of your choices. But then it's not too far off from the price of a 5670 which I plan on picking up soon.

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archer75 is right. Get a 5670 if you need a 4670 class card.

But now I'm up to $100 or so (but it's a good point, considering the price of the 4670). Still nothing compared to the rest of the gear, of course, but it does all add up.

And here I thought I had it all decided. Still, better to be confused now then sorry later.

Thanks!
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Try these 1920x1080x60p clips:
http://jp.sanyo.com/xacti/products/l...00/sample.html

My HTPC with its current graphics processor couldn't possibly play those clips. My PC (a 4670) plays them well using VLC, but stutters like crazy using QT. And it's got an i7 with 12GB of RAM.
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5670 also gives you bitstreaming of HD audio to your receiver. None of the cards mentioned above (including nVidia) can do that. 5670 also draws about the same power as the 4670. In fact, 5670 draws less power than the 4670 at idle. Less power means less heat and lower electric bill.
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4650 only offers marginal improvement over 4550 for high bit rate and interlaced stuff.

You may want to wait for the upcoming 5570.
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5670 also gives you bitstreaming of HD audio to your receiver. None of the cards mentioned above (including nVidia) can do that. 5670 also draws about the same power as the 4670. In fact, 5670 draws less power than the 4670 at idle. Less power means less heat and lower electric bill.

I have only a 5.1 setup with no plans to upgrade, so I don't know if I'd benefit from audio bitstreaming. Especially since I plan on getting a standalone BD player as opposed to putting one in my HTPC.

As for power consumption, this graph shows a 5670 consuming 22W @idle, compared to just 10W for a 4670 (and 5W for 4550). I haven't had a chance to look for other graphs, though, so maybe this one is wrong?
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4650 only offers marginal improvement over 4550 for high bit rate and interlaced stuff.

You may want to wait for the upcoming 5570.

5570?! I don't mind waiting, but what would the extra power be used for? (Or am I just being confused by ATI's naming scheme, and the 5570 is below the 5650?)
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Try these 1920x1080x60p clips:

http://jp.sanyo.com/xacti/products/l...00/sample.html

archer75 is right. Get a 5670 if you need a 4670 class card.

I trying play the 1920x1080 fullHD clip by MPC-HC (with ffdshow 3171)
but I only get audio with black screen. while using PowerDVD9 are ok.
any tips?
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I've read rumors that 5500 series is limited to 64bit memory, same as the 4550.
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@KenIAm: 5570 is 4550's replacement. Low power and with slightly higher specs.

@djlah: Try MS or PDVD H264 decoders.
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@KenIAm: 5570 is 4550's replacement. Low power and with slightly higher specs.

Aha! I assumed it would be called the 5550; silly me. Thanks; that might be what I'll do (what's a few more months?).
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thanks to mariner888, add PDVD decoders, now ok.
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If one is a "PQ perfectionist", would they even be watching material that needed deinterlacing anyways?

In terms of LFE, size does matter!
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True enough. You need 1920x1080x60p.
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My vote would be for 4670.....Specifically 4670 sapphire ultimate-fanlesss!!!!

major point = silence +VA
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My vote would be for 4670.....Specifically 4670 sapphire ultimate-fanlesss!!!!

major point = silence +VA

and yet it's the price of a 5670(almost) and the 5570 is only about 2 months out last I heard.
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I have that exact Gigabyte 4550 fanless card, and it's been exemplary. Hooked into my Onkyo AVR to my 52" Samsung, I've had zero problems with it, plays everything very well. I don't watch interlaced stuff though.
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and yet it's the price of a 5670(almost) and the 5570 is only about 2 months out last I heard.

For me the silence factor is priceless. Does the 5670 come out fanless?
I watch 1080i material a lot (home movies from my sony hd camera) therefore VA is a must
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For me the silence factor is priceless. Does the 5670 come out fanless?
I watch 1080i material a lot (home movies from my sony hd camera) therefore VA is a must

not yet, but it's been out for about a week so it'll take a little time, but I expect it to, the 5570 definitely will, the 5350 which has been previewed as well is passive in it's native ATi design.
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