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There is also one another issue I want to mention:
It seems that I cannot get x.v.color output to work
Anyone has experience?
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I can get the EDID for tulli to test out. I previously posted W6000 EDID and 805 EDID (without projector connected). Do you need another EDID from AVR with projector connected? This black level is giving me headache as every time I turn on my pc, I need to change the pixel format between YCbCr 4:4:4 and RGB Full until it give me 0-255 output for my current setting.
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There is also one another issue I want to mention:
It seems that I cannot get x.v.color output to work
Anyone has experience?

I don't think they support x.v.color do they?

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I can get the EDID for tulli to test out. I previously posted W6000 EDID and 805 EDID (without projector connected). Do you need another EDID from AVR with projector connected? This black level is giving me headache as every time I turn on my pc, I need to change the pixel format between YCbCr 4:4:4 and RGB Full until it give me 0-255 output for my current setting.

Well no, as the mod I sent to you has the projector EDID base block data in the base block (just as if it were repeated by the Onkyo 805) so it can perfectly be used to test for color problems on ATI 5xxxs.

Do you have a 5xxx card? ... I can't remember...

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Can you try setting it to 24-bit 48 kHz, and 5.1? It may or may not fix the problem (probably not) but just in case. Can you try GPU-Z and monitor your system for a while and make sure GPU clock stays put? If you only have the problem with commercial DVDs then it might be encryption, have you tried ripping them with something like AnyDVD and see if it makes a difference?

I tried both those things and finally gave up. I put my old card back in the computer and I am sending it back. Thanks for all your help.
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I don't think they support x.v.color do they?

They're supposed to. I know I'm getting 30-bit deep color, but have no idea how I can test for xvYCC.
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Very exiting, I would very much like to be the volunteer, but unfortunately I cannot really connect my PC directly to my projector (cable is too short)

Would an Epson 8100 and ATI 5450 do?
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They're supposed to. I know I'm getting 30-bit deep color, but have no idea how I can test for xvYCC.

oh wow look at that.

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Well no, as the mod I sent to you has the projector EDID base block data in the base block (just as if it were repeated by the Onkyo 805) so it can perfectly be used to test for color problems on ATI 5xxxs.

Do you have a 5xxx card? ... I can't remember...

I had both 4850 and 5770. The EDID is capture using 4850 (as previously MonInfo doesn't work with 5xxx). 4850 is working fine but 5770 is giving me the wrong black level output for RGB Full.

I had check my projector settings and I can confirm the below tuning is correct for:
HDMI 0-255 - Brightness 50 and Contrast 50. Good for RGB Full range.
HDMI 16-240 - Brightness 43 and Contrast 57. Good for YCbCr 4:4:4, RGB Limited and also Xtreamer (NMT output at video level)
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An interesting idea....

Since we know that RGB is correct and YCrCb is incorrect, what is the YCrCb output for a given stimulus. How can you go back and forth to test? How small of a bump would you need to have to see a difference?

Here is what I think happened.

Y has a range of 16-235, but Cr and Cb have a range for 16-240, I think they are using the 220 steps of Y instead of the 225 steps of Cr for the CR data. With the correct offset, but the wrong range you come up about 2 steps short on your CrCb data, wich does several things including increasing your green by about 3 or 4 pixels and red by 1 or 2 pixels.

At low stimulus percentages where each pixel step is a pretty sizeable percentage increase and with green being 70% of the luminance this could cause big percentage errors. At higher IRE's where the one or two pixel steps cause smalle relative increases in output, they'd converge on RGB output.

Exactly what we saw.

I wrote an RGB to YCrCb calculator to play with it. I'll test tonight to see if I can measure some stuff to confirm my theory.

 

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actually I think Cr, Cb of -3 is the right answer, that means you don't have a legal RGB value until you have a Y of 6, wich I believe is the magic number where stuff started working in your waveform monitor.

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OK guys here's my EDID, sorry for taking so long.

 

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Would an Epson 8100 and ATI 5450 do?

Yeah, I think so. Epson 8100 is also a 3LCD projector the same as mine Panasonic PT-AE3000.
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They're supposed to. I know I'm getting 30-bit deep color, but have no idea how I can test for xvYCC.

I know I'm probably a bit off the topic, but maybe the wrong color has something to do with xvYCC because xvYCC needs YCC output. However, I cannot enable xvYCC in my projector even though both my projector and receiver support xvYCC, so I assume this is another EDID issue.
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actually I think Cr, Cb of -3 is the right answer, that means you don't have a legal RGB value until you have a Y of 6, wich I believe is the magic number where stuff started working in your waveform monitor.

Interesting idea, so you're suggesting it is due to wrong conversion? I will try to record the R, G, B values of 75% red, 75% green and 75% Blue and 75% white today. The correct value of them should be (235-16)*0.75+16=180
Maybe ATI needs to fix this problem for us!
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There is no perfect solution now, and to be safe just choose RGB full.

But like I said there are many things that can be changed so I assume there must be some things to tell about all these settings?
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But like I said there are many things that can be changed so I assume there must be some things to tell about all these settings?

Sorry I'm not sure I understand your question.
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Sotti,

I come to think that the colour issue I have might be because BT.601 is used instead of BT.709. Does anyone know if there is any BT 601 test pattern so that I can see if it looks correct?
Thanks!
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OK guys here's my EDID, sorry for taking so long.

That's the Kuro->AVR EDID, right? The AVR is most probably repeating the Kuro base block specs, but we can only be sure by comparing with the Kuro EDID.

Here's the EDID Manager analysis:

Code:
                        Time: 7:56:49 AM
                        Date: Thursday, March 04, 2010
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                        Green Chromaticity :  Gx = 0.206  Gy = 0.696
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                        Normal Display, No Stereo

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                        Pixel Clock            : 74.25 MHz
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                        Vertical Image Size    : 620 mm
                        Refresh Mode           : Interlaced
                        Normal Display, No Stereo

                        Horizontal:
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                                Blanking Time   : 280 Pixels
                                Sync Offset     : 88 Pixels
                                Sync Pulse Width: 44 Pixels
                                Border          : 0 Pixels
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                                Sync Offset     : 2 Lines
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                                Border          : 0 Lines

                        Digital Separate, Horizontal Polarity (+), Vertical Polarity (+)

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That's the Kuro->AVR EDID, right? The AVR is most probably repeating the Kuro base block specs, but we can only be sure by comparing with the Kuro EDID.

Oh man, you want me to move my TV? Yeah, that one's passing through the VSX-01TXH. I thought I edited the post with that info but I guess I forgot and closed the tab. I'll see if I can just mirror my way behind the monitor tomorrow and connect the cable.
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Oh man, you want me to move my TV? Yeah, that one's passing through the VSX-01TXH. I thought I edited the post with that info but I guess I forgot and closed the tab. I'll see if I can just mirror my way behind the monitor tomorrow and connect the cable.
It's most probably OK, from what I see, so you could really just install the EDID override with the .inf I created from that binary and test for color changes.

 

vsx01_krp Monitor Driver.zip 1.2353515625k . file

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Tulli,

Do you know what does this section do:
(25-34) Color Characteristics
Red Chromaticity : Rx = 0.626 Ry = 0.330
Green Chromaticity : Gx = 0.206 Gy = 0.696
Blue Chromaticity : Bx = 0.150 By = 0.080
Default White Point: Wx = 0.290 Wy = 0.320
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Mine is here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...0&d=1267201627
It's through my Onkyo 906 unfortunately, but maybe it's worth to compare mine to Andy's
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See if this is useful.

Thanks Mike, but I prefer a video that can be played in PowerDVD.
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Tulli,

Do you know what does this section do:
(25-34) Color Characteristics
Red Chromaticity : Rx = 0.626 Ry = 0.330
Green Chromaticity : Gx = 0.206 Gy = 0.696
Blue Chromaticity : Bx = 0.150 By = 0.080
Default White Point: Wx = 0.290 Wy = 0.320

That's the color primaries for the display, useful e.g. when creating a custom 3D-LUT for madVR.

The problem is, of course, that the manufacturer sets those values for each device of the product family, i.e. they are not compensated for small deviations in the manufacturing process, or the age or operating temperature of your tv.
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That's the Kuro->AVR EDID, right? The AVR is most probably repeating the Kuro base block specs, but we can only be sure by comparing with the Kuro EDID.

Here's the EDID Manager analysis:

Code:
                        Time: 7:56:49 AM
                        Date: Thursday, March 04, 2010
                        EDID Manager Version: 1.0.0.14
        ___________________________________________________________________

        Block 0 (EDID Base Block), Bytes 0 - 127,  128  BYTES OF EDID CODE:

                        0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   
                000  |  00  FF  FF  FF  FF  FF  FF  00  41  2F
                010  |  00  00  01  01  01  01  00  12  01  03
                020  |  80  6E  3E  78  2A  6D  A4  A1  54  35
                030  |  B3  26  14  4A  52  2F  CF  00  81  80
                040  |  8B  C0  A9  40  81  40  81  00  81  40
                050  |  90  40  B3  00  02  3A  80  18  71  38
                060  |  2D  40  58  2C  45  00  4E  6C  42  00
                070  |  00  1E  02  3A  80  D0  72  38  2D  40
                080  |  10  2C  45  80  4E  6C  42  00  00  1E
                090  |  00  00  00  FD  00  17  55  0F  45  10
                100  |  00  0A  20  20  20  20  20  20  00  00
                110  |  00  FC  00  56  53  58  2D  30  31  54
                120  |  58  48  0A  20  20  20  01  25

(8-9)           ID Manufacture Name : PIO
(10-11)         ID Product Code     : 0000
(12-15)         ID Serial Number    : N/A
(16)            Week of Manufacture : 0
(17)            Year of Manufacture : 2008

(18)            EDID Version Number : 1
(19)            EDID Revision Number: 3

(20)            Video Input Definition       : Digital
(21)            Maximum Horizontal Image Size: 110 cm
(22)            Maximum Vertical Image Size  : 62 cm
(23)            Display Gamma                : 2.20
(24)            Power Management and Supported Feature(s):
                        Active Off/Very Low Power, RGB Color, Non-sRGB, Preferred Timing Mode

(25-34)         Color Characteristics
                        Red Chromaticity   :  Rx = 0.626  Ry = 0.330
                        Green Chromaticity :  Gx = 0.206  Gy = 0.696
                        Blue Chromaticity  :  Bx = 0.150  By = 0.080
                        Default White Point:  Wx = 0.290  Wy = 0.320

(35)            Established Timings I

                        640 x 480 @ 60Hz (IBM, VGA)
                        640 x 480 @ 72Hz (VESA)
                        640 x 480 @ 75Hz (VESA)
                        800 x 600 @ 56Hz (VESA)
                        800 x 600 @ 60Hz (VESA)

(36)            Established Timings II

                        800 x 600 @ 72Hz (VESA)
                        800 x 600 @ 75Hz (VESA)
                        1024 x 768 @ 60Hz (VESA)
                        1024 x 768 @ 70Hz(VESA)
                        1024 x 768 @ 75Hz (VESA)
                        1280 x 1024 @ 75Hz (VESA)

(37)            Manufacturer's Timings (Not Used)

(38-53)         Standard Timings

                        1280x1024 @ 60 Hz (5:4 Aspect Ratio)
                        1360x765 @ 60 Hz (16:9 Aspect Ratio)
                        1600x1200 @ 60 Hz (4:3 Aspect Ratio)
                        1280x960 @ 60 Hz (4:3 Aspect Ratio)
                        1280x800 @ 60 Hz (16:10 Aspect Ratio)
                        1280x960 @ 60 Hz (4:3 Aspect Ratio)
                        1400x1050 @ 60 Hz (4:3 Aspect Ratio)
                        1680x1050 @ 60 Hz (16:10 Aspect Ratio)

(54-71)         Detailed Descriptor #1: Preferred Detailed Timing (1920x1080 @ 60Hz)

                        Pixel Clock            : 148.5 MHz
                        Horizontal Image Size  : 1102 mm
                        Vertical Image Size    : 620 mm
                        Refresh Mode           : Non-interlaced
                        Normal Display, No Stereo

                        Horizontal:
                                Active Time     : 1920 Pixels
                                Blanking Time   : 280 Pixels
                                Sync Offset     : 88 Pixels
                                Sync Pulse Width: 44 Pixels
                                Border          : 0 Pixels
                                Frequency       : 67 kHz

                        Vertical:
                                Active Time     : 1080 Lines
                                Blanking Time   : 45 Lines
                                Sync Offset     : 4 Lines
                                Sync Pulse Width: 5 Lines
                                Border          : 0 Lines

                        Digital Separate, Horizontal Polarity (+), Vertical Polarity (+)

                        Modeline: "1920x1080" 148.500 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync

(72-89)         Detailed Descriptor #2: Detailed Timing (1920x1080 @ 50Hz)

                        Pixel Clock            : 148.5 MHz
                        Horizontal Image Size  : 1102 mm
                        Vertical Image Size    : 620 mm
                        Refresh Mode           : Non-interlaced
                        Normal Display, No Stereo

                        Horizontal:
                                Active Time     : 1920 Pixels
                                Blanking Time   : 720 Pixels
                                Sync Offset     : 528 Pixels
                                Sync Pulse Width: 44 Pixels
                                Border          : 0 Pixels
                                Frequency       : 56 kHz

                        Vertical:
                                Active Time     : 1080 Lines
                                Blanking Time   : 45 Lines
                                Sync Offset     : 4 Lines
                                Sync Pulse Width: 5 Lines
                                Border          : 0 Lines

                        Digital Separate, Horizontal Polarity (+), Vertical Polarity (+)

                        Modeline: "1920x1080" 148.500 1920 2448 2492 2640 1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync

(90-107)        Detailed Descriptor #3: Monitor Range Limits

                        Horizontal Scan Range: 15kHz-69kHz
                        Vertical Scan Range  : 23Hz-85Hz
                        Supported Pixel Clock: 160 MHz
                        Secondary GTF        : Not Supported

(108-125)       Detailed Descriptor #4: Monitor Name

                        Monitor Name: VSX-01TXH

(126-127)       Extension Flag and Checksum

                        Extension Block(s)  : 1
                        Checksum Value      : 37

        ___________________________________________________________________

        Block 1 ( CEA-861 Extension Block), Bytes 128 - 255,  128  BYTES OF EDID CODE:

                        0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   
                128  |  02  03  51  F1  5C  14  05  1F  90  12
                138  |  03  13  04  11  02  16  07  15  06  20
                148  |  01  1E  26  0F  24  1D  25  0E  23  1A
                158  |  0B  19  0A  3B  09  7F  07  0F  7F  07
                168  |  15  07  50  3E  1E  C0  4D  02  00  57
                178  |  06  00  5F  7E  01  67  7E  00  77  1F
                188  |  03  83  4F  00  00  6C  03  0C  00  13
                198  |  00  B8  2D  C0  11  11  22  22  E2  00
                208  |  79  01  1D  80  D0  72  1C  16  20  10
                218  |  2C  25  80  4E  6C  42  00  00  9E  01
                228  |  1D  80  18  71  1C  16  20  58  2C  25
                238  |  00  4E  6C  42  00  00  9E  00  00  00
                248  |  00  00  00  00  00  00  00  AD

(128-130)       Extension Header

                        Revision Number    :    3
                        DTD Starting Offset:    81

(131)           Display Support

                        DTV Underscan, Basic Audio, YCbCr 4:4:4, YCbCr 4:2:2
                        Number of Native Formats: 1

(132-160)       Video Data Block

                        1920x1080i @ 50Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
                        1920x1080i @ 59.94/60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
                        1920x1080p @ 50Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
                        1920x1080p @ 59.94/60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) [Native]
                        720x576p @ 50Hz - EDTV (16:9, 64:45)
                        720x480p @ 59.94/60Hz - EDTV (16:9, 32:27)
                        1280x720p  @ 50Hz - HDTV  (16:9, 1:1)
                        1280x720p @ 59.94/60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
                        720x576p @ 50Hz - EDTV (4:3, 16:15)
                        720x480p @ 59.94/60Hz - EDTV (4:3, 8:9)
                        720(1440)x576i @ 50Hz - SDTV (16:9, 64:45)
                        720(1440)x480i @ 59.94/60Hz - SDTV (16:9, 32:27)
                        720(1440)x576i @ 50Hz - SDTV (4:3, 16:15)
                        720(1440)x480i @ 59.94/60Hz - SDTV (4:3, 8:9)
                        1920x1080p @ 23.97/24Hz - HDTV(16:9, 1:1)
                        640x480p @ 59.94/60Hz - EDTV (4:3, 1:1)
                        1440x576p @ 50Hz (16:9, 32:45 or 64:45³ ))
                        2880x576p @ 50Hz (16:9, 16:45, 32:45, or 64:45´)
                        1440x480p @ 59.94/60Hz (16:9, 16:27 or 32:27³ )
                        2880x480p @ 59.94Hz/60Hz (16:9, 8:27, 16:27, or 32:27´ )
                        1440x576p @ 50Hz (4:3, 8:45 or 16:15³ )
                        2880x576p @ 50Hz (4:3, 4:15, 8:15, or 16:15´ )
                        1440x480p @ 59.94/60Hz (4:3, 4:9 or 8:9³ )
                        2880x480p @ 59.94Hz/60Hz (4:3, 2:9, 4:9, or 8:9´ )
                        2880x576i @ 50Hz (16:9, 16:45-160:45² )
                        2880x480i @ 59.94/60Hz (16:9, 8:27-80:27² )
                        2880x576i @ 50Hz (4:3, 2:15 - 20:15² )
                        2880x480i @ 59.94/60Hz (4:3, 2:9-20:9²)

(161-188)       Audio Data Block

                        Audio Format #1    : LPCM, 2-Channel, 24-Bit, 20-Bit, 16-Bit
                        Sampling Frequency : 192 kHz, 176.4 kHz, 96 kHz, 88.2 kHz, 48 kHz, 44.1 kHz, 32 kHz

                        Audio Format #2    : LPCM, 8-Channel, 24-Bit, 20-Bit, 16-Bit
                        Sampling Frequency : 192 kHz, 176.4 kHz, 96 kHz, 88.2 kHz, 48 kHz, 44.1 kHz, 32 kHz

                        Audio Format #3    : AC-3, 6-Channel, 640 k Max bit rate
                        Sampling Frequency : 48 kHz, 44.1 kHz, 32 kHz

                        Audio Format #4    : DTS, 7-Channel, 1536 k Max bit rate
                        Sampling Frequency : 96 kHz, 88.2 kHz, 48 kHz, 44.1 kHz

                        Audio Format #5    : DSD, 6-Channel
                        Sampling Frequency : 44.1 kHz

                        Audio Format #6    : E-AC-3, 8-Channel
                        Sampling Frequency : 48 kHz, 44.1 kHz

                        Audio Format #7    : DTS-HD, 8-Channel
                        Sampling Frequency : 192 kHz, 176.4 kHz, 96 kHz, 88.2 kHz, 48 kHz, 44.1 kHz

                        Audio Format #8    : MLP/Dolby TrueHD, 8-Channel
                        Sampling Frequency : 192 kHz, 176.4 kHz, 96 kHz, 88.2 kHz, 48 kHz, 44.1 kHz

                        Audio Format #9    : WMA Pro, 8-Channel
                        Sampling Frequency : 96 kHz, 88.2 kHz, 48 kHz, 44.1 kHz, 32 kHz

(189-192)       Speaker Allocation Data Block (SADB)

                        Rear Left Center/Rear Right Center Audio Channel (RLC/RRC)
                        Rear Left/Rear Right Audio Channel (RL/RR)
                        Front Center Audio Channel (FC)
                        Low Frequency Effect Audio Channel (LFE)
                        Front Left/Front Right Audio Channel (FL/FR)

(193-205)       Vendor Specific Data Block (VSDB)

                        IEEE Registration Identifier: 0x000C03
                        CEC Physical Address        : 0x0013
                        Maximum TMDS Clock          : 165MHz

(206-208)       Video Capability Data Block (VCDB)


(209-226)       Detailed Descriptor #1: Detailed Timing (1920x1080i @ 50Hz 16:9 Apsect Ratio)

                        Pixel Clock            : 74.25 MHz
                        Horizontal Image Size  : 1102 mm
                        Vertical Image Size    : 620 mm
                        Refresh Mode           : Interlaced
                        Normal Display, No Stereo

                        Horizontal:
                                Active Time     : 1920 Pixels
                                Blanking Time   : 720 Pixels
                                Sync Offset     : 528 Pixels
                                Sync Pulse Width: 44 Pixels
                                Border          : 0 Pixels
                                Frequency       : 28 kHz

                        Vertical:
                                Active Time     : 540 Lines
                                Blanking Time   : 22 Lines
                                Sync Offset     : 2 Lines
                                Sync Pulse Width: 5 Lines
                                Border          : 0 Lines

                        Digital Separate, Horizontal Polarity (+), Vertical Polarity (+)

                        Modeline: "1920x1080i" 74.250 1920 2448 2492 2640 1080 1084 1094 1124 interlace +hsync +vsync

(227-244)       Detailed Descriptor #2: Detailed Timing (1920x1080i @ 60Hz 16:9 Apsect Ratio)

                        Pixel Clock            : 74.25 MHz
                        Horizontal Image Size  : 1102 mm
                        Vertical Image Size    : 620 mm
                        Refresh Mode           : Interlaced
                        Normal Display, No Stereo

                        Horizontal:
                                Active Time     : 1920 Pixels
                                Blanking Time   : 280 Pixels
                                Sync Offset     : 88 Pixels
                                Sync Pulse Width: 44 Pixels
                                Border          : 0 Pixels
                                Frequency       : 33 kHz

                        Vertical:
                                Active Time     : 540 Lines
                                Blanking Time   : 22 Lines
                                Sync Offset     : 2 Lines
                                Sync Pulse Width: 5 Lines
                                Border          : 0 Lines

                        Digital Separate, Horizontal Polarity (+), Vertical Polarity (+)

                        Modeline: "1920x1080i" 74.250 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1094 1124 interlace +hsync +vsync

(245-254)       Post DTD Padding

                        Residual Byte Padding: 00000000000000000000

(255)           Checksum Value: 173

        ___________________________________________________________________

Two things:

1. The device identifies itself as Monitor Name: VSX-01TXH, so the AVR is definitely not passing-thru all monitor information 1:1.
2. The device says it supports: YCbCr 4:4:4, YCbCr 4:2:2. So no RGB 4:4:4 (as my Panasonic plasma reports). Is that correct?
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Two things:

1. The device identifies itself as Monitor Name: VSX-01TXH, so the AVR is definitely not passing-thru all monitor information 1:1.
2. The device says it supports: YCbCr 4:4:4, YCbCr 4:2:2. So no RGB 4:4:4 (as my Panasonic plasma reports). Is that correct?

As for 1., no, that's how it works as I explained in previous post. Even with the Plasma going through the AVR the Monitor Descriptor will be replaced by the AVR's.

As for 2., that's the "Standard Default Color Space" bit set to 0 (RGB, right?).

I just checked a sample of EDIDs in my DB (monitor, projector, plasma, DLP, LCD), and ALL of them have the same setting.

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As for 1., no, that's how it works as I explained in previous post. Even with the Plasma going through the AVR the Monitor Descriptor will be replaced by the AVR's.

As for 2., that's the "Standard Default Color Space" bit set to 0 (RGB, right?).

I just checked a sample of EDIDs in my DB (monitor, projector, plasma, DLP, LCD), and ALL of them have the same setting.

Mine doesn't support RGB, do you see anything special in mine EDID?
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It's most probably OK, from what I see, so you could really just install the EDID override with the .inf I created from that binary and test for color changes.

Ooops sorry, it was not for me. I'm fine as far as I'm concerned. It was for others to try if my display's EDID (not the AVR's audio block) would get their cards to output full RGB pixel format as it should.
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