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Ok, the bitstreaming issue with ATI 5xxx's cards and some AVR's has been fixed in CAT 10.4.

[UPDATE 1/3/2014]
 
A DIY EDID OVERRIDE THAT FIXES THE AMD HD-AUDIO BITSTREAMING BUG WITH 5.1 AVRs
 
The problem is with the 6LPCM descriptor in the audio block (0x0D) of the AVR EDID. Just change it to 0x0F (8LPCM). E.g.:
 

0x38,0x09,0x7F,0x07,0x0D,0x7F,0x07,0x17,0x07,0x50,0x3F,0x06,0xC0,0x4D,0x02 ,0x00,0x57,0x06,0x00,0x5F,0x7E,0x01,0x67,0x54,0x00

0x38,0x09,0x7F,0x07,0x0F,0x7F,0x07,0x17,0x07,0x50,0x3F,0x06,0xC0,0x4D,0x02 ,0x00,0x57,0x06,0x00,0x5F,0x7E,0x01,0x67,0x54,0x00


Capture the real-time EDID of the AVR with the TV connected (PC-AVR-TV), i. e. the merged EDID by the AVR from the TV EDID. The audio block is in the 'HKR,EDID_OVERRIDE,"1", ...' line. If needed use Extron EDID Manager to find it.
 
 
[UPDATE 12/6/2013]
 
The problem with the driver reverting to 2 channel audio (or no audio) due to hotplug detection (switching inputs on TV or AVR, HTPC waking from sleep, or powering up order of components) can be fixed by following the procedure explained by Ryan L in this post.
 
Check also this possible solution first posted by idividebyzero:
 

 
Of course the Gefen HDMI Detective or Doctor HDMI devices will work, but are expensive.
 
UPDATE[04/30/2012]

Not a guide but here you'll find some information to try modding yourself. A straight procedure to merge the audio block of the AVR into the TV EDID is outlined.

UPDATE[12/29/2011]

There're many requests of EDID overrides to override the 2 channel limitation of TVs used to passthrough over S/PDIF, that is:

HTPC -> [HDMI] -> TV -> [S/PDIF] AVR

Please note that:
  1. S/PDIF has not enough bandwidth for uncompressed 6 channels LPCM. Thus the EDID limitation to 2 channels.
  2. Only passthrough of compressed audio (e. g. AC3, DTS) is possible, so it's for the application (Video Player setup, encoding, filtering, like with AC3Filter, or even DDL = Dolby Digital Live for games) to take control of how audio is sent through the HDMI link.
  3. NO EDID override can "fix" the bandwidth limitation, and it willl only be required if there is a bad EDID detection of DD or DTS capabilities, but never for the 2 channels limitation.
 
 
UPDATE[12/29/2011]

Everyone with a 3DTV + HDMI1.3 AVR: please check first this post by renethx.

In sum, 2 separate connections and NO EDID Override needed.


UPDATE[2/5/2011]

So, according to this case an EDID override can be used to pass full 3d through an HDMI1.3 AVR. Then a 3DTV and a 3D capable graphic card are all you really need to get 3D with an HTPC.

Without an EDID override solution would be, of course, 2 connections, one for video to the 3DTV, and one for audio to the HDMI1.3 AVR.


UPDATE[8/31/2010]:

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There's still an issue with EDIDs with no 8-LPCM SAD. So if your AVR is 5.1 only or the EDID lacks an 8-LPCM SAD an EDID override will be required to bitstream.

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This is a general working setup for bitstreaming of HD audio now:
 
 
 
  1. Catalyst 10.4 or later with native ATI HDMI audio driver.
  2. NO EDID override
  3. PDVD 9/10, TMT3 > .170, WinDVD 2010 as commercial players, or latest versions of MPC HC and ffdshow for bitstreaming of HD audio.
 
Any other use/combination is still buggy (e.g. WMP/WMC + ffdshow).

If installation is messed up somehow, a clean install with minimum codecs (just ffdshow) + MPC HC or one of the commercial players is the best way of making sure that bitstreaming of HD audio works.

Then add other applications and test one by one so as to be able to successfully debug each particular issue.


However, EDID overrides are still needed for dealing with other EDID issues. As this first post has general information for installing/uninstalling, capturing and troubleshooting EDID overrides, and to not replicate the same information elsewhere, I will be using this post to address these. For general EDID overrides requests there's already a dedicated thread.

I will leave the rest of the information in this post, even the table of EDID overrides, as they can be used in fact for specific configurations. Only modified info in most cases is the TrueHD SAD, so they shouldn't affect video functionality.




1. EDID CAPTURE
The EDID Override mod for solving the bitstreaming and/or video handshake issues on the 5xxxs is usually made up by a combination of the display device video data stored in its corresponding EDID + the audio descriptors of Onkyo TX-NR906 EDID that solves the bitstreaming issues + rest of information stored in the AVR/AVP EDID.

So, the 2 EDIDs (display device & AVR/AVP) are required to do the mod. Also
the full REAL-TIME (no registry entries) 256-byte EDIDs are required (for Moninfo check that a 'HKR,EDID_OVERRIDE,"1", ...' line is present in the generated .inf file). There are 2 tools for capturing the full 256-byte EDID:
  1. Entech utility Moninfo. New version of Moninfo (2.44.0.825) can now capture the full 256-byte EDID on 5xxx cards.
  2. GetEDID, kindly developed by AVSForum guru, vladd, who's also author of EDID Editor, an indispensable tool for doing these mods (EDID Editor is the only tool that I know that can calculate the EDID checksum ... double thanks, vladd, ). This utility works for all ATI cards. To download it and for a description of the utility and how to use it see this post by vladd.
WARNINGS: getEDID does not currently capture the REAL-TIME EDID, but the EDID of the active display device(s). Use preferably moninfo to capture the REAL TIME EDID.

If UAC is active Moninfo must be run as administrator.


Here's the procedure for connecting and capturing the full 256-byte EDID.

Display Device EDID Capture
  1. Connect the graphic card HDMI to your display device HDMI.
  2. IF using Moninfo THEN
    Launch Moninfo
    "[Real time ...]" entry on top left "Display IDs" window [Select]
    File [Select]
    Create INF [Select]
    SAVE TO [Your display device name].inf. (e.g. Samsung LN-S4095D.inf)
ELSE (using vladd's getEDID.exe)
Open a commmand prompt
run [getEDID path]getEDID.exe (see
vladd's post for more details)AVR/AVP EDID Capture
  1. Connect the graphic card HDMI to your AVR/AVP HDMI.
    [Optionally] Connect the AVR HDMI port to the display device HDMI-out.
  2. IF using Moninfo THEN
    Launch Moninfo
    "[Real time ...]" entry on top left "Display IDs" window [Select]
    File [Select]
    Create INF [Select]
    SAVE TO [Your display AVR/AVP name].inf. (e.g. DENON AVR988.inf)
ELSE (using vladd's getEDID.exe)
Open a commmand prompt
run [getEDID path]getEDID.exe (see
vladd's post for more details) 
2. INSTALLATION
 
 
Easy Method
  1. Go to Start
    Computer [Right-click]
    Properties [Select]
  2. Device Manager [Select]
    Monitors[Expand]
    Monitor ID [Righ-Click] (usually "Generic PnP Monitor")
    Properties [Select]
    Driver tab [Select]
    Update Driver button [Select].
  3. Make sure that the .inf driver is the ONLY one in its dir
    Browse my computer for driver software [Select]
    Let me pick from a list of device drivers on my computer [Select]
    Have Disk [Select]
    Browse to the directory where .inf driver is located.
    Click on .inf file and then on the Open button
    OK [Select]
    Next [ Select]
    Confirm installation if necessary ([Windows Security] Install this driver software anyway)
    Close [Select]
    REBOOT
Alternate method

If you have more than 1 monitor setup you most probably will have more than one "Generic PnP Monitor" device in the Monitors tab. Use this alternate procedure for these cases.
  1. Mouse on Desktop [Right-click]
    Personalize [Select]
  2. Display [Select] (Select the display device corresponding to your AVR)
    Change display settings [Select]
    Screen of the display device to override [Select]
    Advanced settings [Select]
    Monitor Tab [Select]
    Properties button [Select]
    Driver tab [Select]
    Update Driver button [Select]
  3. Follow step 3 from Easy Method above
 
 
3. TIPS FOR TROUBLESHOOTING BISTREAMING AFTER INSTALLING THE OVERRIDE.
 
 
DTS HD should bitstream first time on MPC-HC/ffdshow, TMT3 .170 or WinDVD2010. If you can't bitstream TrueHD then there's a problem with the EDID override.
  1. Check that the override is actually installed. Go to Device Manager->Monitors[Expand], and verify that description for the override is actually there.
  2. Don't forget to REBOOT after install.
  3. NEVER try to test bitstreaming first time on WMP or WMC! Use any of the commercial players or MPC-HC/ffdshow.
  4. Verify that to your AVR/AVP is set to "AMP" mode, i.e, to NO audio-passthrough of your display device. Also, if it is the case for your DENON AVR, try setting "2.3.4 Auto Surround Mode" to "OFF", but it doesn't work in all cases.
  5. Avoid using Haali Matroska Splitter if MPC-HC is your player (at least while testing bitstreaming first time).
  6. Avoid setting the "Enable GPU scaling" option in CCC as it affects detection of refresh rates.
 
 
4. UNINSTALLING THE OVERRIDE.
 
 
  • Go to Device Manager
  • Monitors[Expand]
  • Right-click on the override
  • Select uninstall
  • Tick on "Delete the driver software for this device"
  • OK
  • Reboot
After installing/uninstalling your EDID override make sure to reset the TV as well as the receiver so they can redo their handshake.

NOTE: On board menus of some AVRs (e.g. ONKYO) will not appear on resolutions less than 720P.

Make sure to delete all leftovers from the system:
  • Start [Select]
  • My Computer [right-click]
  • Properties [Select]
  • Advanced System Settings {Select]
  • Environment Variables [Select]
  • New [Select] (Under User variables ...)
  • Set field "Variable name" to devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices
  • Set field "Variable value" to 1.
  • OK [Select]
  • OK [Select]
  • Now go to Device Manager (Start->Computer->Properties [right click])
  • Menu option "View" [Select]
  • Menu option "Show hidden devices" [Select]
  • Monitors [Select]
  • Uninstall any greyed-out display device.
  • Tick on the option "Delete all driver files for this device" (if applicable)
 
5. EDID OVERRIDES
 
As a general criterion to pick the right mod for you:
  1. Just base your selection on the display device. If you don't find your specific model, try one similar. If no similar device is available then try by general type (LCD, Plasma, DLP or projector). If no alternate option works for you (because of video issues) then ask for a custom mod.
  2. For the AVR/AVP part select according to brand, regardless of the specific model, as any mod will resolve the bitstreaming issue. You could even install a mod for your display device, or similar, and choose another AVR/AVP brand.
 
 
 
EDID Override (Display Device - AVR-AVP, with link)Description
Dell s2409WB - ONKYO 705Dell s2409WB - ONKYO AVR
Dell u2410 - DENON AVR1909Dell Monitor + DENON AVR
Epson 8500UB - DENON 4308Epson Projector + DENON AVR
Hitachi L42S503 - ONKYO TX-SR605HITACHI LCD TV + ONKYO AVR
InFocus IN82 - DENON 3808InFocus projector + DENON AVR
JVC RS20 - DENON AVR5308JVC projector + DENON AVR
LG 42LG50 - TX-SR606LG LCD TV + ONKYO AVR
LG 42LH5000 - ONKYO TX-SR309LG LCD TV + ONKYO 5.1 AVR
LG 55LD520 - ONKYO TX-SR308LG LCD TV + ONKYO 5.1 AVR
LG 55LE8500 - DENON AVR-4311LG LCD TV + DENON AVR
LG L246W - DENON 4810LG Monitor + DENON AVR
LG PK-350 - ONKYO HT-R380LG Plasma TV + ONKYO 5.1-only AVR
Mits HC5500 - DENON 1909Mits projector + DENON AVR
Mits WD65835 - DENON AVPA1Mits DLP TV + DENON AVR
Mits HD1000U - DENON 3808Mits projector + DENON AVR
Optoma HD20 - DENON 4310Optoma Projector + DENONAVR
Optoma HD20 - ONKYO TX-SR606Optoma Projector + ONKYO AVR
Optoma HD65 - DENON 1910Optoma Projector + DENON AVR
Panasonic G10 - DENON AVR1909Panasonic LCD TV + DENON AVR
Panasonic PT-AE2000 - SONY STR-DA5300ESPanasonic Projector - SONY AVR
Panasonic PT-AE3000 - ONKYO TX-SR705Panasonic Projector + ONKYO AVR
Panasonic TC-L42S10B - ONKYO HT-R390Panasonic Plasma TV + Onkyo 5.1 AVR
Panasonic TC-P50G15 - DENON 1910Panasonic Plasma TV + DENON AVR
Panasonic TH-37PX60B - DENON 2808Panasonic Plasma TV + DENON AVR
Panasonic TH-42PV71F - ONKYO TX-SR805Panasonic Plasma TV + ONKYO AVR
Panasonic TH-42PZ700U - DENON AVR3808Panasonic Plasma TV + DENON AVR
Panasonic TH-42PZ700U - ONKYO TX-NR905Panasonic Plasma TV + ONKYO AVR
Panasonic TH-42PZ80LB - ONKYO HT-R380Panasonic Plasma TV + ONKYO 5.1. AVR
Panasonic TH-P50X10A - DENON 1909Panasonic Plasma TV + DENON AVR
Panasonic TX-L37GT14 (GW10) - DENON 1610Panasonic Plasma TV + DENON AVR
Panasonic TX-P42G15E - ONKYO TX-SR308Panasonic Plasma TV + ONKYO 5.1 AVR
Panasonix TX-P42GT20E - ONKYO TX-308Panasonic 3D Plasma + ONKYO 5.1 AVR
Panasonic TX-P50VT30e - MARANTZ SR5004Panasonic 3D TV Plasma + Marantz AVR
Pioneer PDP-6020FD - DENON 990Pioneer Kuro Plasma + DENON AVR
Pioneer KRP-500M - DENON 2808Pioneer Kuro Plasma + DENON AVR
Pioneer PDP-LX608D - DENON 2309Pioneer Kuro Plasma + DENON AVR
Pioneer PDP-LX5090H - DENON 2808Pioneer Kuro Plasma + DENON AVR
Pioneer PDP-436FDE - DENON 1910Pioneer Plasma + DENON AVR
Pioneer PDP-5080XA - DENON 2310Pioneer Kuro Plasma + DENON AVR
Samsung (DLP) - Onkyo TX-SR805Samsung DLP TV (720p) + ONKYO AVR
Samsung HL-61A750 - DENON 2809Samsung LED DLP TV + DENON AVR
Samsung HL-67A750 - DENON 4308Samsung LED DLP TV + DENON AVR
Samsung HL-T6176S - SONY STR-DN1000Samsung DLP TV + SONY AVR
Samsung LE46B650 - ONKYO TX-NR509Samsung LCD + ONKYO AVR
Samsung LN46A650 - DENON 988Samsung LCD + DENON AVR
Samsung LN52A750 - DENON 2310Samsung LCD + DENON AVR
(*) Samsung LN-S4095D - DENON AVR988Should work for most LCD TVs + DENON AVR
(*) Samsung LN-S4095D - ONKYO TX-NR906Should work for most LCD Tvs + ONKYO AVR
(*) Samsung LN-S4095D - SONY STR-DA5300ESShould work for most LCD Tvs + SONY AVR
(*) Samsung 3DTV - ONKYO HT-R5483D LCD Samsung TVs + ONKYO 5.1 AVR
Samsung LN-T4661F - SONY STR-DA5500ESSamsung LCD + SONY AVR
Samsung PN58A650 - DENON 3808Samsung Plasma TV + DENON AVR
Samsung PN63C8000 - DENON 4810ciSamsung 3D LCD + DENON AVR
Samsung PS50B530 - DENON 4310Samsung Plasma TV + DENON AVR
Sanyo Z3 - DENON 2310Sanyo Projector + DENON AVR
Sanyo Z5 - DENON 3808Sanyo Projector + DENON AVR
Sharp Aquos - SONY STR-DN1000Sharp Aquos + SONY AVR
Sharp LC46D64U - DENON 1909Sharp Aquos + DENON AVR
Sharp LC46D85U - DENON 889Sharp Aquos + DENON AVR
Sony 40W2000 - SONY STR-DG820Sony LCD TV + SONY AVR
Sony 46KDLEX500 - ONKYO TX-SR308Sony LCD TV - ONKYO 5.1 AVR
Sony 52W5500 - DENON AVR1910Sony LCD TV + DENON AVR
Sony KDF-55XS955 - DENON 4310Sony RPTV + DENON AVR
Sony KDL-40D3000 - DENON 1909Sony LCD TV + DENON AVR
Sony KDL-40W4500 - DENON 1910Sony LCD TV + DENON AVR
Sony KDL-40L4000 - DENON 1610SONY LCD TV + DENON AVR
Sony KDL-40W5500 - DENON2309Sony LCD TV + DENON AVR
Sony KDL-40X3500 - SONY STR DA2400ESSony LCD TV + SONY AVR
Sony KDL-40V2500 - DENON 1909Sony LCD TV + DENON AVR
Sony KDL-46D3500 - SONY STR-DA2400ESSony LCD TV + SONY AVR
Sony KDL46EX720 - ONKYO TX-SR309Sony 3D LCD TV + ONKYO 3D 5.1 AVR
Sony KDL-46XBR9 - DENON 4308Sony LCD TV + DENON AVR
Sony KDL-46Z5500 - SONY STR DA5300ESSony LCD YV + SONY AVR
Sony KDL-52V5100 - DENON 790Sony LCD TV + DENON AVR
Sony KDS-55A3000 - ONKYO TX-SR805Sony RPTV + ONKYO AVR
Sony KDS-R60XBR1 - SONY STR-DA5300ESSony RPTV + SONY AVR
Sony KDS-R70XBR2 - DENON AVR-2310Sony XBR Rear Projection HDTV + DENON AVR
Sony VPL-VW60 - DENON 2808Sony projector + DENON AVR
Sony VPL-VW85 - DENON AVPA1Sony projector + DENON AVR
Toshiba 37WL66E - ONKYO TX-SR605Toshiba LCD + ONKYO AVR
Vizio SV420m - DENON 590Vizio LCD + DENON AVR
  
 
 
 
APPENDIX. THE PROBLEM WITH BITSTREAMING TrueHD & DTS HD over ATI 5xxx's prior to CAT 10.4 (Just for reference)

The bitstreaming issue with ATI 5xxxs cards was due to 192kHz audio sample rate being DISABLED in the EDIDs of DENON, SONY, and some ONKYO AVRs/AVPs (for an excellent introduction to the EDID standard read this page by Extron).

An AVR EDID is a 2 128-byte data blocks structure: a Base block and an Extension block. Within the Extension block an Audio Data block is located, made up of individual Short Audio Descriptors (SADs):

Audio Data block
 
 
 
 
SAD
SAD
...
SAD
 
 
 
So, for instance, here's the Audio Data block of my DENON 988:

Audio Data block
 
 
Audio Format #1 : LPCM, 8-Channel, 24-Bit, 20-Bit, 16-Bit
Sampling Frequency : 192 kHz, 176.4 kHz, 96 kHz, 88.2 kHz, 48 kHz, 44.1 kHz, 32 kHz

Audio Format #2 : DTS, 6-Channel, 1536 k Max bit rate
Sampling Frequency : 96 kHz, 88.2 kHz, 48 kHz, 44.1 kHz

Audio Format #3 : AC-3, 6-Channel, 640 k Max bit rate
Sampling Frequency : 48 kHz, 44.1 kHz, 32 kHz

Audio Format #4 : DTS-HD, 8-Channel
Sampling Frequency : 192 kHz, 176.4 kHz, 96 kHz, 88.2 kHz, 48 kHz, 44.1 kHz

Audio Format #5 : E-AC-3, 8-Channel
Sampling Frequency : 48 kHz, 44.1 kHz

Audio Format #6 : MLP/Dolby TrueHD, 6-Channel
Sampling Frequency : 192 kHz, 176.4 kHz, 96 kHz, 88.2 kHz, 48 kHz, 44.1 kHz


Audio Format #7 : MLP/Dolby TrueHD, 8-Channel
Sampling Frequency : 96 kHz, 88.2 kHz, 48 kHz, 44.1 kHz


Audio Format #8 : DSD, 6-Channel
Sampling Frequency : 44.1 kHz 
The problem - NO 192khz sample rate - as you can see, is in SAD #7 (MLP/Dolby TrueHD, 8-Channel).

SONYs and the DENON 2808CI have the DTS_HD descriptor wrong too. Here's the 2808CI case:
 
 
Audio Format #5 : DTS-HD, 8-Channel
Sampling Frequency : 96 kHz, 88.2 kHz, 48 kHz, 44.1 kHz
 
Again, NO 192khz sample rate.

Here's how different AVR/AVP brands are so far affected (bad) or not affected (OK) by this problem:
 
 TrueHDDTS HDDENON AVR 2808CI & SONYsbadbadAll other DENONs, ONKYOs (*) TX-SR605, TX-SR606, TX-SR705, TX-SR805, TX-SR875badOKAll other AVR/AVPsOKOK
(*)
Not all ONKYOs in a failing series exhibit the TrueHD problem.So if you own a DENON (except the AVR 2808CI) or a failing ONKYO, checking DTS HD bitstreaming (with MPC-HC, TMT3 .170 or WinDVD2010, but not possible with PDVD9/10 though) is a first test to make sure that your installation is OK. You will then require an EDID override only for bitstreaming of TrueHD.

But if you own a possibly failing ONKYO, as not all ONKYOs in a "flawed" series exhibit the TrueHD problem, check that TrueHD works first.

So even if the issue is not ATI's, they could still produce a fix so that everyone can bitstream on the 5xxxs without needing an EDID override. So post a feedback to ask them for the fix, and even leave a link to this thread, by going to the following page:

http://www.amdsurveys.com/se.ashx?s=5A1E27D27E29B0E3

Of course DENON and SONY should be contacted about this problem and also be referred to this thread, so that they fix it for future products, and release firmware updates ASAP for current AVRs/AVPs for which it can be applied.



WHAT THESE MODS FIX FOR BITSTREAMING
With DENON, SONY, and some ONKYO AVRs/AVPs with NO override:
  1. You won't get the third option on audio settings of PDVD9.
  2. You'll get no TrueHD on MPC-HC/ffdshow, TMT3 .170 beta update or WinDVD2010.
 
 
DO YOU REQUIRE A CUSTOM MOD FOR YOUR DISPLAY DEVICE-AVR/AVP?
 
 
 
For most cases the (*) mods will work, so if you don't find the specific mod for your HDTV/AVR combination, try these first.

Please understand that I'm currently the only one doing these mods so ask for a mod only if:
  1. Of course your AVR is a DENON, SONY or a failing ONKYO (see point 3).
  2. PDVD9 is your only player and you don't get the third option on PDVD9 audio settings.
  3. You can bitstream DTS HD (no TrueHD) on either MPC-HC, TMT3 .170 or WinDVD2010 without the override. If you can't there's an install problem to troubleshoot or that the AVR HDMI has to be set to "AMP" (no TV audio pass-through). So DO NOT ask for a mod if you use any of these players and you don't pass the DTS HD test first.
  4. You have video issues as your Display Device, or a similar Display Device (LCD, Plasma or Proj.) and AVR/AVP combination for your setup is not listed.
Problems requiring a custom mod are all video related as the audio block is the same in all mods. If video data from EDIDs on the list conflicts with your display device specs, then you could run into video issues such as:
  1. Not all resolutions and/or refresh rates available on CCC.
  2. Handshake issues (like losing detection of display device) when switching sources on either display device or AVR/AVP).
  3. Wrong color depth.
If any of the above conditions apply, or you run into these, or any other video issues, ask for a mod and I will gladly do it for you
 
 
 
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Wanted to let you know the "Sony KDS-R70XBR2 - DENON AVR-2310Ci" override you did for me works great.

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Many thanks for this Tulli. You have no obligation to do this for everyone so hopefully everyone understands and greatly appreciates.

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Wanted to let you know the "Sony KDS-R70XBR2 - DENON AVR-2310Ci" override you did for me works great.

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I'll add it to the list then, thx.

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Many thanks for this Tulli. You have no obligation to do this for everyone so hopefully everyone understands and greatly appreciates.

I know, Damian, and thx, but it's hard to say "no" I'll help as much as I can ...

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Hi Tulli

Thanks for this service - recall my scenario was with a Sony projector, so enclosed are the INF's for the VPL-VW85 and the Denon AVP A1 (though you have the one from JonFo for the A1 so I guess you could use that as well)

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INF files for JVC rs20 and Denon avr5308, if needed.

Thanks!!!!
Your mod. As usual let me know if it works so to add it to the database.

 

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Hi Tulli

Thanks for this service - recall my scenario was with a Sony projector, so enclosed are the INF's for the VPL-VW85 and the Denon AVP A1 (though you have the one from JonFo for the A1 so I guess you could use that as well)

Thanks - I appreciate it
Ok, thrang, here's your mod too.

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HiTulli, really appreciate your efford on this, helping everyone out. Here are my scans.


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hi!

i'm new to this board and just wanted to thank tulli!
i got my hd5450 last week and wondered why i didn't get the hd-audio to my denon avr1910.
now it works with the Panasonic TV - ONKYO TX-SR606 override!
thank you so much, tulli!
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HiTulli, really appreciate your efford on this, helping everyone out. Here are my scans.


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Here's your mod, but note that the Onkyo 875 doesn't need to be overriden to bitstream, so the mod will help you only with video issues, if any.

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Thanks Tulili, will try it tonight after work. I did have bitstream problems and audio, got bitstream to work and NO video when I open folder to play via TMT3. It's very odd thou, I can play, a very sh*tty, banding etc video while opening file with TMT3, but no bitstream..

Really hope this helps my issue here..

Thanks again
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Ok, thrang, here's your mod too.

Cheers.

Thanks for your work on this Tulli - seems to be working fine (the only issue I see is 5.1 lossy DTS tracks are playing side channel information out of the rear channels in my 7.1 setup, but I think this is a Arcsoft/Microsoft issue and nothing to do with your EDID.
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Thanks so much for doing all this. I have a sharp 46" lcd and a sony str-dh800, so I tried the one labeled 'Should work for most LCD TVs + DENON AVR' and it actually did! I was able to bitstream and get dts-hd on my receiver using my 5450. However, I lost the CCC option for 1080p resolution 1920x1080@60Hz). The only option I have now is for 30Hz (1080i). So, I'm figuring that as you said, I have an issue with that mod. Is it possible to get one that will allow me to have the 60Hz option? Looking at the instructions, I don't think I'm going to have the ability to get the files for you Tulli, otherwise I'd just go for the total custom job.
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Hello, I'm from Spain,I have seen the work you do and is incredible, I have a sony lcd 40W2000 and sony STR-DG820 amp, catalyst detects it as SONY AVAMP, I would be grateful if you helped me, THANK YOU
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Thanks for your work on this Tulli - seems to be working fine (the only issue I see is 5.1 lossy DTS tracks are playing side channel information out of the rear channels in my 7.1 setup, but I think this is a Arcsoft/Microsoft issue and nothing to do with your EDID.

Yeah, that's a known issue not EDID related.

I will add your mod to the list as we have no proj. on the list. Thx.

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Thanks so much for doing all this. I have a sharp 46" lcd and a sony str-dh800, so I tried the one labeled 'Should work for most LCD TVs + DENON AVR' and it actually did! I was able to bitstream and get dts-hd on my receiver using my 5450. However, I lost the CCC option for 1080p resolution 1920x1080@60Hz). The only option I have now is for 30Hz (1080i). So, I'm figuring that as you said, I have an issue with that mod. Is it possible to get one that will allow me to have the 60Hz option? Looking at the instructions, I don't think I'm going to have the ability to get the files for you Tulli, otherwise I'd just go for the total custom job.

That's definitely a known issue with the (*) EDIDs. You may try any of the other LCD mods.

Of course you can also post the full 256-byte EDID of both the Sharp & the Sony AVR and I'll do the mod for you (is that a Sharp Aquos?, as I have one on my HD).

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Hello, I'm from Spain,I have seen the work you do and is incredible, I have a sony lcd 40W2000 and sony STR-DG820 amp, catalyst detects it as SONY AVAMP, I would be grateful if you helped me, THANK YOU

"¡Hola, saludos a todos ustedes por allá en España!"

You may try any of the two available SONY LCD + DENON AVR mods. They should work fine for you as the only critical element audio-wise is the audio block, which like I explain on the OP, is the same for all mods.

The only "glitch", if you may call it so, is that you will see a "DENON AVAMP ..." description for your monitor. If that bothers you then post the 256-byte of both the LCD-TV and AVR and I will do the mod.

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That's definitely a known issue with the (*) EDIDs. You may try any of the other LCD mods.

Of course you can also post the full 256-byte EDID of both the Sharp & the Sony AVR and I'll do the mod for you (is that a Sharp Aquos?, as I have one on my HD).

It is an Aquos but since I only have the 5450 and it won't work with Moninfo, it doesn't look like I'll be able to pull the full EDID for ya. I will try one of the other ones and see if I have better luck. Thanks!
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Yeah, that's a known issue not EDID related.

I will add your mod to the list as we have no proj. on the list. Thx.

As a brief aside - who "owns" that problem? To me, Arcsoft (or whoever's player) needs to properly assign the channel information...using Reclock has become more complicated with the beta 170 of TMT, so that solution is less useful...
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Thank you very much, I will test and I'll tell you
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That's definitely a known issue with the (*) EDIDs. You may try any of the other LCD mods.

Of course you can also post the full 256-byte EDID of both the Sharp & the Sony AVR and I'll do the mod for you (is that a Sharp Aquos?, as I have one on my HD).

I just re-read this and noticed you said you have one for the aquos on your HD. Any chance you could post that for me?
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It is an Aquos but since I only have the 5450 and it won't work with Moninfo, it doesn't look like I'll be able to pull the full EDID for ya. I will try one of the other ones and see if I have better luck. Thanks!
Ok, I'll post a mod for the Aquos later.

EDIT: Here it is ... added to the list.

 

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Ok, I'll post a mod for the Aquos later.

EDIT: Here it is ... added to the list.


Fantastic. Thanks so much for being helpful with all this. I'll try it this evening and report back.
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Right now I have a PC setup with the BeyondTV software to record various TV shows and it will wake itself up from standby, make the recoding and then go back ito standby until it is time to make another recoding or we wake it to watch the recorded shows. The PC is connected via HDMI cable to a Toshiba 52LX177 HDTV through an Onkyo TX-NR906 AVR from the DVI port of a "SPARKLE P980X+ GeForce 9800 GTX+ 512MB" video card.

To get the "wake from standby while the TV/AVR are off" from reverting the active video port to the VGA from the DVI (because the PC receives no EDID info from the TV/AVR when those devices are off), I had to buy and install a Gefen DVI Detective between the AVR and the PC. This was needed so that the TV's EDID information was always available to the PC when the PC woke up looking for it.

Is it likely that this override will fix this reverting to VGA issue if the Gefen device were not used?

I'd like to try a "HIS H567Q512 Radeon HD 5670 (Redwood) IceQ 512MB" video card and use its HDMI (rather than DVI) port but if I do that I would either need a functional override or to buy a Gefen HDMI Detective.
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No, the override is only good to force a certain EDID when needed, as it's the case with ATI 5xxxs drivers natively not parsing well the audio block from some AVRs. But the AVR connection will not be active if you turn it off, even with the override.

So if you get the 5670 a Gefen HDMI Detective Plus will be required for your setup.

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Hi Tulli.

I have a JVC HD750 projector and an Onkyo 905 Receiver. I've attached the 2 inf files (in a zip file) I created a while back with Monifo. I believe they're in the correct format because I created them over my mobo HDMI connection before I got my ATI 5450. I'd greatly appreciate it if you could do the EDID mod for me. Many thanks.

Separately, I actually connect my htpc to an HDMI splitter and then have feeds from the splitter to various devices including the JVC projector and LG and Samsung TVs. Should this still work in this scenario (JVC is the key device!)? Thanks.

 

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Hi Tulli.

I have a JVC HD750 projector and an Onkyo 905 Receiver. I've attached the 2 inf files (in a zip file) I created a while back with Monifo. I believe they're in the correct format because I created them over my mobo HDMI connection before I got my ATI 5450. I'd greatly appreciate it if you could do the EDID mod for me. Many thanks.

Separately, I actually connect my htpc to an HDMI splitter and then have feeds from the splitter to various devices including the JVC projector and LG and Samsung TVs. Should this still work in this scenario (JVC is the key device!)? Thanks.

No need to override the Onkyo 905 EDID as the audio block is exactly the same as the 906's I'm using for the mods.

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Hi. Thanks for the speedy response! Sorry for the next question but I'm not 100% clear on all this stuff, even after reading the forums. Are you saying that the JVC projector (video) part doesn't matter, and that if I just take one of your existing mods (which includes the 906) it should work fine with my 905?

Thanks again.
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