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what shaders do you guys use? i hear that shader complex 2 is great, but it looks like its adding a bunch of crappy outlines.
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I use the SD->HD shader to fix the black level problems when watching 1080P MKV's. Nothing else, just this.
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I use shaders for color correction, see this thread.
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Bump for other's input, I'm now using MPC-HC and this post intrigued me:

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Here are the quality tests I have run against Cyberlink, Media Player Classic Home Cinema with and without shaders enabled.

This is MPC-HC with no shaders



This is MPC-HC with shaders



This is Cyberlink PowerDVD 9



I believe the quality in Robert Downey's face in the second shot is just slightly better than Cyberlink with the shaders enabled. I can see more granular detail. This is wonderful news for me. Now on to your guide to integrate XBMC, MPCHC, and Boxee!

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Bump for other's input, I'm now using MPC-HC and this post intrigued me:

Which shaders do you have enabled? I have enabled the SD->HD but that is it. Should I do more?
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Which shaders do you have enabled? I have enabled the SD->HD but that is it. Should I do more?

+1, I'm anxious to hop on the shader wagon. :-)

I'm no expert....so your mileage may vary
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Which shaders do you have enabled? I have enabled the SD->HD but that is it. Should I do more?

I have no idea, that's why I've requested Bi-Polar's help
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I tested out [SD]->[HD], but the black levels were way too black so I don't use it. Any way to fix that? And as of right now I only use Sharpen Complex 2.
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Bump for other's input, I'm now using MPC-HC and this post intrigued me:


IMO the first image looks more natural the next two are over sharpened.

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IMO the first image looks more natural the next two are over sharpened.

Mike

Agreed.

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I use the SD->HD shader to fix the black level problems when watching 1080P MKV's. Nothing else, just this.

If your mkv's have black level problems, you are doing something wrong. There is nothing inherent about matroska or x264 that would cause black levels to be off.

Personally, I want a logoaway shader for mpc-hc.

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dear all,
is it 780G chipset powerful enough to manage shaders with MPC-HC?

Thanks in advance,
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IMO the first image looks more natural the next two are over sharpened.

Mike

+2. While it looks good at first sight, it adds alot of small but sometimes unwanted artifacts to the picture. It is afterall a post processing feature.

Try adding multiple of the complex shader 2 and you will see what I mean - it starts looking like dandruff on the screen.

IMHO, for HD material, there is no need for shaders but maybe applicable for SD material depending on what your eyes like to see.
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+2. While it looks good at first sight, it adds alot of small but sometimes unwanted artifacts to the picture. It is afterall a post processing feature.

Try adding multiple of the complex shader 2 and you will see what I mean - it starts looking like dandruff on the screen.

IMHO, for HD material, there is no need for shaders but maybe applicable for SD material depending on what your eyes like to see.

I actually tried some the shader too for sharpening a while back. While in some scenes they look good. Other shots look really bad; on my system motion was really screwy looking especially slow pans. Closes-ups looked good, while long shots can "ring" really bad.

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when I open an MKV with mplayer homecinema 1.31249 I get an error saying,

"could not load shader: sharpen complex 2"

any ideas?

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What video renderer are you using? The shaders won't work unless you're using VMR-7 (renderless), VMR-9 (renderless), or EVR Custom Presenter.
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using haali with coreavc
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no good?
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haali dosen't support shaders, try evr or vmr9.
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would you recommend i stay with haali or should i venture into shader territory?
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well, how you personally likes it.

i use evr custom with the edge enhancement (ca. 20%) from nvidia control panel.
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Old thread, but thought I'd chime in. I read the thread from Bi_Polar (Ironman screen caps). I did some testing myself with MPC-HC with shaders.

Test setup: I have an i3 530 (DH55HC mobo) and output VGA from the on-board graphics to a Silicon Graphics CRT @ 1280 x 720p. Source is Ironman BD 1080p. I did see more "apparent" detail with shaders on... but began to wonder why since the source is a pristine 1080p.

So I chalked it up as shaders make the BD image different, but not better, in this one case. I did not test SD content.

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interesting
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Hello all, my first post here. I am a newbie

I used to think VLC was the "proccessed food matter excrement" but now using MPC-HC with shaders, I am hooked.

I have this 1080p 4.1 GB .mkv Blu-ray rip from the movie "Hostage" and here are the respective screenshots.

I do not have an HD monitor (I have 1280 x 1024) so these are downsized.

Look at the difference in quality!! :-)

Amazing quality considering I only have a 720p monitor lol

In VLC:


In MPC-HC:
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hi, I've been experimenting with shaders recently as well - I have a 1680x1050 LCD monitor now, and when I watch low quality Xvid encoded videos they look like crap - the compression artifacts ruin my viewing! Does anyone know of a shader that could correct this? De-noise and De-interlace are along the right path, but blur it a bit too dramatically... if anyone has ideas for shaders to correct such artifacts, custom or otherwise, I'd like to know.
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Rather than a single shader, I use two of them...
In MPC-HC, i toggle ON the Screen Space Pixel Shadres and use
  • Denoise
and
  • Sharpen Complex 2
In that specific order... it helps some with very crappy videos...
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Hi guys,
I noticed that watching a movie x264.1080p.mkv selecting shaders (sharpen and sharpen complex), i can see the movie much better than my movie blu-ray disc.
With this option, i noticed that most out details (which with my blu-ray can not do), making them sharper (and the difference in some type rip Avatar and Prometheus is awesome, much better than a Blu-ray disc ), also because when i disable the option it seems that the original file is more blurry. What do you think about this?
Thanks.
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Hi guys,
I noticed that watching a movie x264.1080p.mkv selecting shaders (sharpen and sharpen complex), i can see the movie much better than my movie blu-ray disc.
With this option, i noticed that most out details (which with my blu-ray can not do), making them sharper (and the difference in some type rip Avatar and Prometheus is awesome, much better than a Blu-ray disc ), also because when i disable the option it seems that the original file is more blurry. What do you think about this?
Thanks.
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Hi guys,
I noticed that watching a movie x264.1080p.mkv selecting shaders (sharpen and sharpen complex), i can see the movie much better than my movie blu-ray disc.
With this option, i noticed that most out details (which with my blu-ray can not do), making them sharper (and the difference in some type rip Avatar and Prometheus is awesome, much better than a Blu-ray disc ), also because when i disable the option it seems that the original file is more blurry. What do you think about this?
Thanks.
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I would like other opinions on this too. Half of me thinks "wow, looks nice" but the other half thinks maybe two sharpeners is too much...
It looks quite grainy with the two on, but at a distance is unnoticeable. I dunno.
Does anyone have a basic shader that improves colour and light on bluray rips? Mine are too dark.
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Hi guys,
I noticed that watching a movie x264.1080p.mkv selecting shaders (sharpen and sharpen complex), i can see the movie much better than my movie blu-ray disc.
With this option, i noticed that most out details (which with my blu-ray can not do), making them sharper (and the difference in some type rip Avatar and Prometheus is awesome, much better than a Blu-ray disc ), also because when i disable the option it seems that the original file is more blurry. What do you think about this?
Thanks.
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