Originally Posted by stanger89
No I haven't followed that, but that's not really my point. Ceton is only one small component of an HTPC, you've got WMC, ATI/nVidia/Intel drivers, decoders. There is no support (beyond forums) for integrating all of that, because you have to build it yourself (well unless you buy a Vidabox or something).
You might as well say it's worthless to have a PC if that's your argument.
But no official support, and the onus is still on you to narrow down the problem and identify it.
Seriously? You make me wonder why you own a PC if they're so much trouble.
Are they going to help you with a Ceton card in your Dell or HP? I doubt it. Now I'm sure Niveus or Vidabox give great support, but you pay for it there.
Ceton has their own support and built-in diagnostics software included in the installation package. Just run it and post the log in their forums when you request a service ticket. They usually get back to you with a resolution within about 24-48 hours. They don't charge you anything for support. The fact that they're a small company means that they are willing to go the extra mile for their customers.
My point is only you're the integrator for your HTPC, so there's no one you can call up to get support for it. It's all on you.
Anyone who builds their own PC understands this so I'm not sure why you keep beating the dead horse. I have no problem being my own PC support person.
Except the extenders are worthless and there's still no satellite solution (I will not subscribe to cable, at least not with my current provider options). Of course I don't have the (IMO rather irrational) aversion to using a "box" and recording analog.
Of course there's a satellite solution. It's called digital cable or FIOS.
I had DirecTV for over 10 years before switching to FIOS and Comcast for at least as many years prior to getting DirecTV. DirecTV customer service has gone way downhill since I first signed up with them I don't like any service provider that extorts customers into a commitment for signing up for any new service or making changes to an existing account. Perhaps you weren't around back in the day when the only way to record DirecTV HD channels was to pay $1000 for a DVR that was eventually abandoned, leaving countless customers with expensive paperweights. Talk about worthless.
Now you have to pay hundreds of dollars for a HD-DVR you don't even own and then pay monthly fees to keep using it.
Extenders aren't perfect, but they're far from worthless. If that's your opinion, and it obviously is, then you're welcome to it. Many here would certainly disagree with it. They do have their shortcomings, but for what they're designed to do, they do it quite well.
I've been doing everything you describe above (HD and 5.1 audio) for several years already, I didn't have to wait for CableCard, I don't have DRM problems, I'm not stuck with cable, and I can stream BDs (with bitstreamed audio) from extenders.
Glad to hear it. Same goes for me.
Too bad WMC extenders are crippled meaning you effectively need multiple HTPCs. Oh yeah, but you can't integrate them because there's no software extenders. So then you need extenders and HTPCs, or live with no live TV or scheduling from "clients".
I've already mentioned at least one solution for accessing all types of media from each TV that doesn't require multiple HTPCs.
If all you care about is TV and CableCard, then yeah, WMC+Extenders is a pretty good solution. But given the pathetic extenders, DRM restrictions, and other limitations, I just don't see any benefit to WMC over something like a Moxi. In fact just looking, Moxi's "extenders" look better than WMC's.
Moxi has, expandable eSATA storage (up to 6TB they claim), 3 CC support, multi-room support, DLNA media support. Yeah, no HBR bitstreaming, but it seems Moxi is what WMC+CC is really up against.
I just looked at the Moxi and it does look interesting, but it also has severe limitations for serious users. I do like the fact that it has no monthly fees attached. Aside from the ability to add more storage (which you can do with both Tivos and HTPCs), you're still locked into a specific hardware platform with little or no expandability beyond adding additional extenders. With Tivos, you at least have the ability to hack it to add more functionality over and above a stock unit.
The basic Moxi DVR has only three tuners and I didn't see if there is any provision for adding another base unit to increase the number of tuners. My HTPC has eight tuners (four digital cable and four ATSC) so I can not only share tuners between multiple extenders but I can also record additional FIOS and OTA HD channels at the same time. If you've got three people watching TV simultaneously on the Moxi system you can't record anything until a tuner gets freed up. That sounds pretty crippled to me.
I think we can both agree to disagree on the issue. There is no perfect solution for everyone. WMC does have its limitations, but there are numerous workarounds to fill in the gaps. Same holds true for Tivo or Moxi or whatever system floats your boat. Go with whatever suits your needs and desires. Just remember - it's only TV.