Originally Posted by stanger89
You miss my point, which is that your implied argument that Tivo's support is worse.
Doesn't do you any good if your problem lies somewhere else (as it usually will on a PC).
I don't either, but you brought up the issue of Tivo's support. Which while maybe not good, exits, it isn't you. That's my only point.
Don't have FIOS here, and my Cable choice is the worst provider in the nation. I'd probably lose half to three quarters of the HD networks I've got now with Dish, it would cost more, and my use would be more limited.
No I signed up for Dish when I could get 70+ channels in HD vs like 7 on Mediacon.
If all you want to do is watch TV, they're fine, but then what's the point of using a PC backend. If MS hadn't (intentionally) crippled them it would be a different story.
Rather than go through a line-by-line rebuttal, let me summarize:
I didn't bring up the subject of tech support initially. I just responded to your original comments. Ceton has shown to provide better support than Tivo by a huge margin. Anyone building an HTPC should already have enough of a knowledge base so that they don't require tech support except in the most extreme cases. In other words, if you can't deal with PC problems yourself, then you should probably find another way to enjoy your media. Support from Tivo is about the same as dealing with it yourself, which is to say, they totally suck when it comes to supporting their products.
I pity anyone that is not technical enough to fix their own Tivos because they won't get much sympathy or help from Tivo without having to shell out more money. Tivo will be glad to provide you with a refurbished Tivo to replace your broken one, as long as you're willing to pay for it. Most Tivo problems are drive related and can usually be repaired by the end user by simply installing a fresh image on a replacement drive. I had the foresight to have learned this process many years ago such that I have never had to deal directly with Tivo or DirecTV tech support.
I followed the early exploits of the Tivo hacking pioneers when Tivo discussions were still a part of these forums (i.e., before they split off and became the Tivo Community Forum). I hacked my very first Tivo using Dylan's boot disc, which was the early precursor to MFSTools. I also used to be a moderator for a Tivo hacking forum back in the day, so I'm no stranger to a Tivo's capabilities, both as a stock device and one modified to do things above and beyond a normal Tivo. That being said, having such an vested interest in Tivos, I do not take the comparison lightly between a Tivo and an MC-based PC. Sorry if I'm tooting my own horn, but I felt it was relevant that you know how vested I am in the use of Tivos. I loved them in their day, but that day is long past. An HTPC is the next logical step in the evolution of home media, IMHO.
The question of support for either a Media Center PC with the Ceton card or a Tivo isn't the issue here. If you decide to travel down the HTPC path then you should already know what you're in for. A Tivo setup will be more likely attractive to the novice user whereas an HTPC will appeal to someone more advanced technically.