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 Link to Nvidia 3DTV Play setup manual

Look at this first, then look at the rest of the FAQ below.

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Originally Posted by ricabullah /forum/post/19585017



Lets start: (FAQ prepared by myself
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Do i need an nVidia 3D vision kit if i have a DLP TV- like Mitsubishi or DLP PJ- like Acer 5360


Yes and No;


YES; At least one pair of nVidia kit (for its emitter) is needed for setup nVidia 3D Vision drivers.

NO; any DLP link glasses will do the same job because dlp screen sends signals to your eye-wear.

But if you have any DLP device (TV/PJ) or if you want to play 3D games via nVidia card, you will need at least one nVidia emitter even your DLP Link eyewear doesn't use the nVidia emitter.
One emitter is needed to setup 3D Vision Drivers.

(be careful; your DLP glasses shouldn't see the emitter directly otherwise signals are interfered.)


btw i have one set of nVidia kit, two Xpan X102 DLP glasses and one pair of Optoma BG-ZD 101 DLP Link glasses and an Acer 5360 PJ.

OK i bought a pair of 3D vision kit glasses, can i use them with those new generation 3D TV play compatible 3D TVs?

No, never, new gen. TVs use their own glasses but you can use them with nVidia 4** or new 5** series cards.

But i had them already, where i gonna use them?

You can use them with DLP TVs and DLP PJs. But any DLP Link glasses will do the same job.

I have Geforce glasses, do i need to buy 3D TV Play software?

No, it's included in the Geforce nVidia 3D vision CD.

Ok , i have nvidia 3dVision glasses and 3D TV Play software, can i play 3D BD on my 3dTV?

No, you can only play games and videos with that SW on your 3DTV.

If you wanna watch 3DBD, you need an external SW like Corel, Arcsoft or Cyberlink.

Then can i watch 3DBD with my DLP TV or DLP PJ over nvidia glasses+3D TV Play SW?

No, you need the same external SW.

I don't have nVidia 3D Vision glasses and 3D TV Play SW but i have a 3DTV supported GPU by nVidia. Can i watch 3DBD or 3D video or play 3D games?

Yes you can; if you have any 3D commercial player like Corel WinDVD 10, Arcsoft TMT 5 or Cyberlink PDVD 10.

Q:Where is supported 3D TV list?

A: Link

For some new HW you will need this update:
Link


Any confusion left?
Link

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For a inexpensive HTPC I would recommend the lowest price Dell Inspiron (Inspiron 560) $449.00, and buying a Blu Ray drive for 70.00 and a Zotak ZT-20404-20L Video card for 98.00. Which is about 620.00 Canadian and includes Windows 7 OEM.

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Which GPUs will support 3D TVs? I checked the NVIDIA website and Fermi 430 supports HDMI 1.4a.

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NVIDIA GeForce GPUs have been tested to be compatible with HDMI 1.4a, and will work well with the 3D TVs, including the Panasonic VIERA TVs. The following are GPUs supported by NVIDIA 3DTV Play:


•Desktop GPU: Blu-ray 3D playback: Make sure your videocard has "PureVideo HD 4" or VP4. ATI videocards are listed in the HD3D link below.

GeForce GTX 480

GeForce GTX 470

GeForce GTX 465

GeForce GTX 460

GTS 450, GT 440 (October)

GT 430 (October)

GeForce GT 340

GeForce GT 320

GeForce GT 240 also supports VP4, but no HD audio bitstreaming.


•Laptop GPUs:

GeForce GT 240 Notebook

GeForce GTS 360M

GeForce GTS 350M

GeForce GT 335M

GeForce GT 330M

GeForce GT 325M

GeForce GT 320M

Nvidia Website for more information


•ATI has something called "HD3D". The site lists the videocards ATI says works with 3D Blu Ray: link


•Intel® Core™ Processors with Intel® HD Graphics

(Intel Core i5-600 Dual Core Processor)


In order to be able to use the integrated graphics in these Clarksdale processors you need to use the proper chipset and motherboard. These new chipsets include the Intel H55, H57 and Q57.

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What do I need for HW & SW??

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Display

You'll need 3D TV that has HDCP: DVI, HDMI, or Nvidia 3D Vision ready display.

Software

Nvidia will release a driver around august or september 2010 that will enable NVidia 3D Blu Ray Vision ready GPU's to play back 3D Blu Ray with Powerdvd 10 Ultra 3D Mark II or equivalent SW.


Nvidia 3D TV Play software needs to be used with Powerdvd 10 Ultra 3D Mark II or equivalent SW and enables HDMI 1.4 to autosense the 3D Content so the TV doesn't need to be manually set.

See the Misc info section for more detail.

Videocard

NVidia videocard that features VP4, Intel Clarksdale i5-600 processor with Intel H55, H57 and Q57 chipset.


The Nvidia 3D TV Play faq said the DVI can be used as long as it uses a HDMI adapter, they specify the use of HDMI cable is necessary: HDMI 1.3 Category 2 High Speed cable. However some reviews online said you can use a DVI cable and don't need a HDMI cable, so it's not yet known for sure if DVI can be used or not in the final 3D TV Play product.

Blu Ray Drive

Blu Ray drive with 2x BDMV (AACS Compliant Disc) read speed or faster

CPU

You can use a lower power cpu if you use a dedicated videocard that can decode 3D Blu Ray.

Or, Intel Core i5 661, AMD Athlon II X3 440 or better models for sw decode, sometimes called "NO GPU, uses the CPU for graphics processing".


"if you want to do 2D-3D conversion in PC (of HD contents; SD is easy), you still need a powerful processor (E7xxx or higher)" - renethx

Video card ram

in my opinion 1GB is the minimum amount of ram for the videocard.

System ram

2 GB minimum

Operating system

PC with Microsoft Windows 7, Vista* and XP SP3* (Windows XP Service Pack 3 is required)

What is the graphics card slot requirement?


The slot must have at least 10.2Gbps throughput.


PCIE 1.x single lane is 250MB/s.

Multiply that by 16 in a 16x slot and you have 32Gbps


AGP 3.0 8x Rate (MBps) 2133, (Gbps) 17.064


So both agp 3.0 8x and pcie 1.x 16x are compatible as far as having enough throughput from the videocard to the display.

Official Minimum system requirements: Nvidia


•Microsoft® Windows® Vista 32/64-bit or Windows 7 32/64-bit

•Intel® Core™2 Duo or AMD Athlon™ X2 CPU or higher

•1GB of system memory. (2GB is recommended)

•100 MB free disk space

•3D Vision-Ready Displays (See link for list)

•NVIDIA GeForce Graphics Cards: Must have VP4 capability

Official Minimum system requirements: Cyberlink

System Requirements for Blu-ray 3D with Hardware Acceleration


•Microsoft Windows 7, Vista* and XP SP3* (Windows XP Service Pack 3 is required)

•Intel Pentium D 950 (3.0GHz), AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ (2.4GHz) or above

•Intel Graphic Media Accelerator HD (Intel Core i3/i5), NVIDIA Geforce GTX 400, series and Gefore GT 240/320/340

•2 GB of system memory

•3D display and 3D glasses are required (NVIDIA 3D Vision*, 3D Ready HDTV, Micro-polarizer LCD or Anaglyph Red/Cyan Glasses). HDCP compliant display for digital output


*PowerDVD with NVIDIA 3D Vision is not supported under Windows Vista and XP

System Requirements for Blu-ray 3D without Hardware Acceleration


•Microsoft Windows 7, Vista* and XP SP3* (Windows XP Service Pack 3 is required)

•Intel Core 2 Duo E6750 (2.66GHz), AMD Phenom 9450 (2.10GHz) or above

•Intel G45, ATI Radeon HD2400, NVIDIA GeForce 8600GT or above.

•2 GB of system memory

•3D display and 3D glasses are required (NVIDIA 3D Vision*, 3D Ready HDTV, Micro-polarizer LCD or Anaglyph Red/Cyan Glasses). HDCP compliant display for digital output

Minimum cpu requirement: Tomshardware




"As you can see, the triple-core Athlon II X3 440 at 3 GHz is highly stressed during Blu-ray 3D playback.

It's difficult to make precise conclusions without per-core utilization data but CyberLink's software decoder appears to take advantage of threading, a feature that quad-core owners will appreciate.


Judging from the performance we've seen, we think Blu-ray 3D can be comfortably played back with a triple-core CPU at 3 GHz or a quad-core CPU at 2.5 GHz using PowerDVD's software decoder."

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What kind of TV is supported?

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Blu-ray 3D playback: Make sure your display is listed 3D Vision-Ready Displays


Acer GD245HQ 120Hz LCD 1920x1080

Acer GD235HZ 120Hz LCD 1920x1080

Acer X1261-3D 1280x720

Acer X1130P 1024x768

Acer H5360 1280x720

Acer X1110 800x600

Acer HN274H 27" LCD

Acer GN245HQ 24" LCD



Alienware™ OptX™ AW2310 120Hz 1920x1080


ASUS VG236H 120 Hz 1920x1080


DepthQ® HD 3D Projector by LightSpeed Design, Inc. 1280x720

DQ-3120 by LightSpeed Design, Inc. 800x600


LG W2363D 120 Hz 1920x1080

LG W2363DB 120 Hz 1920x1080



Mitsubishi® 1080p DLP® Home Theater TV:

WD-57833

WD-60735

WD-60737

WD-60C8

WD-60C9

WD-65735

WD-65736

WD-65737

WD-65C8

WD-65C9

WD-65833

WD-65835

WD-65837

WD-73735

WD-73736

WD-73737

WD-73833

WD-73835

WD-73837

WD-73C8

WD-73C9

WD-82737

WD-82837

L65-A90


NEC NP216 1024x768


Optoma GT360 800x600

Optoma GT720 1280x800

Optoma HD67 1280x720

Optoma HD66 1280x800


Panasonic TC-P50VT20/TC-P50VT25


Samsung UN467000

Samsung UN557000


ViewSonic PJD6531w 1280x720

ViewSonic PJD6220-3D 1024x768

ViewSonic PJD6210-3D 1024x768

ViewSonic PJD5351 1024x768

ViewSonic PJD5111 800x600

ViewSonic PJD6381 1024x768

ViewSonic PJD6211 1024x768

ViewSonic PJD6221 1024x768

ViewSonic PJD6241 1024x768

ViewSonic PJD5112 1024x768

Link to updated list.


"The list is hardware components that support "NVIDIA 3D Vision" (NVIDIA's proprietary IR emitter and glasses). GeForce 4xx supports every display device supporting HDMI 1.4a 3D." - renethx


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What kind of TV for 3D Blu Ray?

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Nvidia says 120Hz 3d tv that has hdmi input is the minimum standard. However 120Hz 3D is mainly for gaming, not movies.

For movies, 3D Blu Ray movies you'll need a TV that has very little crosstalk, and this means faster than 120Hz.


If the TV is certified for HDMI 1.4a it will work, so passive polarized TV's are ok too. You don't Need to use only active polarized 3D TV's, the kind that use the shutter glasses.


Crosstalk affects the quality of the 3D TV by creating a luma halo type effect around a picture that is shown to either the left or right eye.


Acer GD235HZ works

Alienware OptX AW2310 works

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Is my videocard already capable of dual stream acceleration?

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Dual stream acceleration simply means the videocard can output 3D blu ray to a 3D tv.

To see if your videocard is capable, download a program called "DXVA checker". In the Decoder device tab check each from the list and click Dual stream acceleration to see if your videocard is already 3D compatible. However only NVidia cards have the MVC codec HW acceleration right now I think. MVC is the codec 3D blu ray wil use, so the fact that the videocard supports dual stream acceleration is pointless as no 3D blu ray wil use any other codec but MVC I think.

link




As you can see in the list in the picture there is no mention of MVC. Only certain NVidia cards may have MVC listed at this point in time.




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Various bits of misc info

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HDMI 1.3 is not automatically sensing the type of 3D signal: side by side.

HDMI 1.3 requires you to set the cable box, or HTPC, to the right 3D signal mode, and then set the television to that 3D mode.


HDMI 1.4 with 3D TV Play automatically senses what the 3D source content is: 1080p 24fps, 720p 50fps, 720p 60fps, and you don't need to set the TV or HTPC, it just works.


To watch 3d Blu Ray you only need the Driver Update, for gaming on 3d TV's you need to buy the NVidia 3d TV Play.

3D TV Play lets you use HDMI 1.4 so it senses the 3D content and you don't need to set this manually.


3D TV Play is for the listed Nvidia Videocards, but as far as supporting Intel and AMD graphics, they have not yet said that they will.

They said they will work with Microsoft to get the media center overlay working, and if they will do that then maybe if Intel and AMD ask NVidia for 3D TV Play support NVidia will support theire goods.


In the 2011 Intel will release Sandybridge, designed with HDMI 1.4a and built for 3D Blu Ray.


" there are two lines of chipsets for consumer desktops: H and P series. The H series supports Sandy Bridge’s on-die graphics, while the P series is strictly for discrete graphics.


At launch we’ll have P67 and H67 based motherboards, both of which are in testing right now. A quarter later we’ll see value H61 motherboards added to the mix." - Source


So if your building a 3D Blu Ray HTPC it should use these new parts and not the i5 661. Just wait for the new parts in 2011.


For this new build you would get the new chipset (LGA-1155), the new cpu, ram (DDR3-1333)and heatsink LGA-1155 heatsink.


Remember, the i5 chipset is HDMI 1.3a, not HDMI 1.4a, so you'll need to adjust the HTPC and TV to use the correct 3D mode.

If NVidia 3D TV Play will use the new Intel chipset that has HDMI 1.4a and let it autosense the 3D source is not yet known,

or even if the new cpu will need 3D TV Play to autosense the 3D source.


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Best monitor?

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The best monitor is the one that doesn't strain your eyes, and this means no crosstalk. For this you would buy a Mitsubishi 3D DLP TV. Look at a mitsubishi model and research it to see if it needs a upgrade or has no crosstalk or is 3D blu ray compatible. This is the way it is in November 2010, in the future the Plasma and LCD TV's may offer no crosstalk.


Checkout the tru3d website, they offer the dlp TV and adapter kit. (I'm not affiliated with any of these people in any way. I got this name 'tru3d' from the 3d forum and googled the link I'm providing now.) link


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Passive Projector Section

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Originally Posted by solid_dvd /forum/post/20501825


Hi!


I posted a bit similar topic in another thread, but I guess this would have been the perfect spot to ask.


My plan is to watch 3D BR and .mkv-files with HPTC. I have built a passive system consisting of GT430, 2 x Optoma 3D-XL, which divides the signal into right and left and two projectors, JVC DLA-HD1, which through filters display the picture on a silver screen. I cannot get the HTPC to play the 3D Blu-rays though in 3D.


And then the question: Apparently I do not need for movie watching the Nvidia 3D vision kit with the emitter. But how in earth do I configure the Stereoscopic view as I do not have Nvidia Vision, Wired Glasses etc. - which is the right option to choose there? Any help via a vis the HTPC configuration is appreciated.


Thanks for advice!
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Originally Posted by renethx /forum/post/20503713

Hardware: Dual-Projector 3D Theater Checklist ?
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Originally Posted by solid_dvd /forum/post/20505068


Seems that my problem lies with the HDMI-splitter. It most probably is not HDMI 1.4/3D capable.
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Originally Posted by rdjam /forum/post/19947124


I got a 1 to 4 Gefen "tool box" splitter - it's technically a HDMI 1.3 splitter but it's 3D and HD Audio compatible. (1 to 4 means, 1 HDMI in and 4 HDMI outputs).


If you have a 1.3 AVR, you could run your device to the splitter first, then send 1 output to the AVR, and 2 outputs to the 3DXL boxes.


Re: passive or active - The Gefen box has a switch to let you select whether the HDMI handshake happens with the Gefen, or with the passthru device, and another switch lets you choose whether you are passing multichannel audio or 2 channel (ie SPDIF) audio.


The Gefen is discounted on Amazon, but there may well be cheaper options out there. There is a Sewell HDMI 1.4 switch that is about to ship - only $75. I haven't hooked up the Gefen yet, expect to be able to test all the options over the weekend, so can report how much of that flexibility was actually needed.
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Originally Posted by Joe Linn /forum/post/19947396


Wouldn't that depend on whether the receiver was connected before or after the 3D-XL? Doesn't the box output 720P at 120 Hz? Does that require a 3D receiver or is a 3D receiver only required for 1080P 120 Hz?


Joe
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Originally Posted by rdjam /forum/post/19947727


Was only outlining a dual pj setup with a HDMI 1.3 AVR. Different setups vary. With my 4311CI, I have all sources to AVR first, then one of the HDMI outputs will feed splitter, which feeds the pjs. The other output on the AVR goes to a Panny 3D plasma.


This will vary again if someone is using the 3DXL for a single pj DLP-Link setup. In Doug's case (if that is his setup) he would go to the splitter first, then split to AVR and the 3DXL.

 
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#53 ·
my current HTPC has a C2Duo E6700 and an ATI 4550.


I currently get pure bitstreaming through reclock over HDMI (per threads here).


Just bought a Panny 58VT25 and stereo clips sometimes play ok, other times they stutter a bit (maybe 720P SbS ok vs 1080P SbS not)


Is the only Nvidia alternative to do better a 460? I don't really want to go back to Optical or analog audio...
 
#54 ·
Every NVIDIA card with VP4 (and sufficient memory bandwidth) supports hardware decode acceleration for MPEG-4 MVC:


- GT 240

- GTX 460/465/470/480

- GTS 440/445/450/455 (September)


All of these support multichannel LPCM, and 460/440/445/450/455 support HD audio bitstreaming. GT(S) 440 is the Fermi replacement of GT 240.
 
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This rig is to be build primarily for a dedicated HTPC to be used in conjunction with the rest of my HT.

I play mostly FPS and Flight Sims stuffs.

The display is Mits DLP 73837 with 3dc-1000 kit in coupling with Nividia 3d vision kit.

The listed parts are being shipped as i wrote this.


Mobo=GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD3 LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard


CPU = Intel Core i5-760 Lynnfield 2.8GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor


Memory =G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBNQ


SSD = Kingston 64gb SSDNow V series (OS & drivers only)


HDD = Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive


PSU = CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power ...


Video= GIGABYTE GV-N460OC-1GI GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card


DVD/BD = LG WH10LS30K 10X Blu-ray Burner.


Case = LIAN LI Black Aluminum PC-C33B ATX Media Center / HTPC Case


OS = Window 7 Ultimate 64
 
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Originally Posted by renethx /forum/post/19009250


Every NVIDIA card with VP4 (and sufficient memory bandwidth) supports hardware decode acceleration for MPEG-4 MVC:


- GT 240

- GTX 460/465/470/480

- GTS 440/445/450/455 (September)


All of these support multichannel LPCM, and 460/440/445/450/455 support HD audio bitstreaming. GT(S) 440 is the Fermi replacement of GT 240.

I think I will be waiting for the 440s to come out...I can't see moving my watercooled 480GTX to my HTPC anytime soon.



By that time I might have purchased a 1.4 spec AVR as well.
 
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Originally Posted by renethx /forum/post/18947458


The upcoming HDMI 1.4a 3D HDTV is different from the above two.


MPEG-4 MVC

-> frame packing 1920x2160 @23.976Hz (decoded by GPU or CPU/PowerDVD)

-> overHDMI 1.4a connection (output by a HDMI 1.4a graphics card)

-> frame sequential 1920x1080 @120Hz (converted by the HDMI 1.4a 3D TV, with 2:3 pulldown)

-> frame sequential 1920x1080 @120Hz displayed.
To support frame packing 1920x2160 @23.976Hz video signals over HDMI, the graphics card (GeForce GT 240, GTX 4xx, Radeon HD 5xxx, or Intel HD Graphics) will require a driver update (3DTV Play for GeForce in August, AMD and Intel soon?) as well as a patch to PowerDVD 10 Mark II (obviously).

So do I understand correctly that if I were to wait for a 1.4a display, I could choose between:

- Instant gratification by going with the above solution (with the driver update for the hardware that is available right now). As a downside I would probably be losing out on HDaudio bitstreaming as the above mentioned cards do not have a 1.4a HDMI port and as such are not compatible to run both the HDAudio and 3D signal even if a 1.4a cable is used?


- waiting so I can keep my old system (it's no slouch but no spring chicken either...) and plugging in an ATI HD6000 series card when it gets here (I suppose this will have 1.4a??)


- doing the same but with the nVidia counterpart (when will they have 1.4a cards on their roster?)


- upgrading my system to an i3 cpu/mainboard combo but then my question is: which chipset is slated to have a 1.4a HDMI output?
 
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Originally Posted by DisTreSs /forum/post/19039743


So do I understand correctly that if I were to wait for a 1.4a display, I could choose between:

- Instant gratification by going with the above solution (with the driver update for the hardware that is available right now). As a downside I would probably be losing out on HDaudio bitstreaming as the above mentioned cards do not have a 1.4a HDMI port and as such are not compatible to run both the HDAudio and 3D signal even if a 1.4a cable is used?


- waiting so I can keep my old system (it's no slouch but no spring chicken either...) and plugging in an ATI HD6000 series card when it gets here (I suppose this will have 1.4a??)


- doing the same but with the nVidia counterpart (when will they have 1.4a cards on their roster?)


- upgrading my system to an i3 cpu/mainboard combo but then my question is: which chipset is slated to have a 1.4a HDMI output?

If you want to connect a HTPC to AVR, then AVR to a HDMI 1.4a display, you will need a HTPC 1.4a AVR (to pass HDMI 1.4a video signals and decode TrueHD/DTS-HD).


HDMI 1.4a + MVC decoding + HD audio bitstreaming solution: GTX 460 (with the upcoming 3DTV Play driver) is the only choice right now. GT(S) 440, the replacement of GT 240, is coming in September (as well as GTS 450). HD 6xxx in November. Intel HD Graphics (Core i3-5xx/Core i5-6xx) is supposed to support HDMI 1.4a video formats with a driver update.
 
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Originally Posted by renethx /forum/post/19039930


If you want to connect a HTPC to AVR, then AVR to a HDMI 1.4a display, you will need a HTPC 1.4a AVR (to pass HDMI 1.4a video signals and decode TrueHD/DTS-HD).


HDMI 1.4a + MVC decoding + HD audio bitstreaming solution: GTX 460 (with the upcoming 3DTV Play driver) is the only choice right now. GT(S) 440, the replacement of GT 240, is coming in September (as well as GTS 450). HD 6xxx in November. Intel HD Graphics (Core i3-5xx/Core i5-6xx) is supposed to support HDMI 1.4a video formats with a driver update.

Thx renethx.

Hmmm so a simple driver update is all that is needed for the H55/H57 chipset to support HDMI 1.4a on currently existing boards. That sounds tempting...

As long as it's no Bios update that is required: I don't trust mobo manufacturers to give you that Bios. Most of the time they just release another board


But from this thread, it doesn't look like Intel is delivering on its promise either...


I think I'll build myself a small new htpc for the living room for a future 3D display there... All I would need is a processor, mobo, some ram and a case (still have a spare ps and hdd lying around)



And for the HT I can simply wait until there is some movement on the 3D projection front and then plunk in a new graph card in my aging htpc
 
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Hi guys,


Quick question. I have a Dell U2711 ultrasharp monitor. It has a dual-link DVI cable and is capable of displaying 2560x1440. If it has this capability, why wouldn't the panel be capable of displaying 3d using a lower resolution? I can't seem to find the answer.


Do you think in the future there may be hacked firmware updates or that sort of thing to support 3D vision?


Thanks,


Nolie
 
#62 ·
3D video with a "3D Vision ready" display works this way: The player/graphics card sends left- and right-eye pictures in an alternating sequence at a refresh rate of 120Hz (60Hz for each eye) to the display. (Why 120Hz?: To avoid flicker.) The 120Hz 3D display displays a full resolution frame for one eye for a 120th of a second, followed by a full resolution frame for the other eye for the next 120th of a second. A viewer wears active shutter glasses, that are synchronized with the display so that left eye is blocked when a frame of video is being displayed for the right eye, and vice versa.


Unfortunately, Dell U2711 is a 60Hz display natively.
 
#63 ·
Thanks for the response renethx. I guess what I was wondering was since it's capable of 2560 x 1440 @ 60Hz, why can the panel not do a 120Hz at a lower resolution. The issue isn't bandwidth because it's already dual-link DVI and can display such a high resolution.
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by renethx /forum/post/19039930


If you want to connect a HTPC to AVR, then AVR to a HDMI 1.4a display, you will need a HTPC 1.4a AVR (to pass HDMI 1.4a video signals and decode TrueHD/DTS-HD).

renthx: thanks for all this great information. I have a scenario i'm sure others are in. I have an older Pioneer SC-07 AVR and don't want to replace it at this time to upgrade to 3D. One of the solutions is the Samsung 7900 BD player with 2 HDMI outputs. 1 for audio, the other for the 3D display.


Is there a feasible option if I want to upgrade my MCE7 system to playback 3DBD and still keep the Pioneer AVR?
 
#66 ·

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Originally Posted by zombie10k /forum/post/19224751


Is there a feasible option if I want to upgrade my MCE7 system to playback 3DBD and still keep the Pioneer AVR?

You might be able to demux the 3DBD into two separate video streams, and then use Stereoscopic Player to output them to another format (top/bottom, for example) which doesn't need HDMI 1.4a, though I doubt that's what you mean. I haven't tried this myself, for the record, it just seems like it'd be possible.


But that's not the same as just playing a 3DBD.
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zombie10k /forum/post/19224751


renthx: thanks for all this great information. I have a scenario i'm sure others are in. I have an older Pioneer SC-07 AVR and don't want to replace it at this time to upgrade to 3D. One of the solutions is the Samsung 7900 BD player with 2 HDMI outputs. 1 for audio, the other for the 3D display.


Is there a feasible option if I want to upgrade my MCE7 system to playback 3DBD and still keep the Pioneer AVR?

- Buy a DLP 3D display.

- Wish PowerDVD support converting Fame packing 1920x2160p to Top-and-Bottom 1920x1080p (or try jhoff80's suggestion).

- Wish PowerDVD support a similar option to the Samsung 7900.
 
#68 ·
Just installed new LG drive and PowerDVD9 3D .......


Setup:


ATI 5870-> Onkyo 608 (HDMI 1.4a)

Onkyo -> Mits "converter" for 2009 73" DLP


FYI: PS3 playback is fine


FIrst I can see is that ATI is seeing the tv as the "onkyo".... not sure if thatis OK. Never had a problem

Regular BD playback fine

However 3D crashes


In 3D mode I have chosen "3D ready TV with shutter glasses" (whichi have)


Suggestions??
 
#69 ·
HD 5870/driver does not support HDMI 1.4a 3D video formats.
 
#70 ·
Fix:


Leep the oEM PowerDVD9 3D installed

install the PowerDVD10 Trial

Reboot.

All is fine


The PS3 is 1.3a also. The only time this would matter (with checkerboard too) is if you wanted 1920x1080p 120hz with 7.1.


1.3a has enough bandwish for ANY 3D format EXCEPT when you add uncompressed audio. With the DLP checkerboard you have the same bandwish used as 1920x1080p.
 
#71 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by sjchmura /forum/post/19247318


Fix.

Glad to hear that.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sjchmura /forum/post/19247318


1.3a has enough bandwish for ANY 3D format EXCEPT when you add uncompressed audio. With the DLP checkerboard you have the same bandwish used as 1920x1080p.

Precisely speaking, 1.3 has enough bandwidth for any 1.4a 3D video formats with uncompressed audio (8 ch/192 kHz/24 bits LPCM is only 36.9 Mb/s; that's tiny compared with video bandwidth ~10000 Mb/s). Firmware and/or driver update is still necessary and not every 1.3 hardware allows that. PS3(limited audio not due to bandwidth issue)/NVIDIA(full support) did that. ATI/Intel has not done it yet.


Checkerboard by Texas Instruments is a completely different story. It cuts the resolution of frame packing 1920x2160 in half in a checkerboard format 1920x1080 (so you lose half the resolution) and sends it over HDMI 1.3a devices. TI's checkerboard is not compliant with HDMI 1.4a. It's a pre-HDMI 1.4a method (hence you need a "converter" to use it with HDMI 1.4a player/receiver: converts HDMI 1.4a 3D video signals to checkerboard; PowerDVD directly outputs checkerboard, so you don't need it, of course). HDMI 1.4a transmits the full resolution 1920x2160 = 1920x1080 (Left) + 1920x1080 (Right) without loss.

Frame packing 1920x2160 over HDMI 1.4a devices (lossless)


Checkerboard 1920x1080 over HDMI 1.3 devices (lossy)




 
#72 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by sjchmura /forum/post/19247318


Fix:


Leep the oEM PowerDVD9 3D installed

install the PowerDVD10 Trial

Reboot.

All is fine


The PS3 is 1.3a also. The only time this would matter (with checkerboard too) is if you wanted 1920x1080p 120hz with 7.1.


1.3a has enough bandwish for ANY 3D format EXCEPT when you add uncompressed audio. With the DLP checkerboard you have the same bandwish used as 1920x1080p.

Checkerboard should pass through a 1.3 receiver just fine.. what am I missing here. Does PDVD 10 do the checkerboard formatting itself?


Are you saying you are running PowerDVD 10 with an ATI card in checkboard mode going to a Mits DLP? Am I missing something here. I thought Nvidia was required. Checkerboard should not require the Mits adapter. Fill me in on the exact menu selections.. is this only selectable if you have launched a 3d bluRay from the drive in the HTPC?
 
#73 ·
PowerDVD 10 Mark II supports the checkerboard format: select "3D Ready HDTV". It looks like the latest build supports not only NVIDIA with 3D Vision Kit but ATI (as sjchmura confirmed) and Intel with 3D DLP. This page does not mention the latest implementation of HDMI 1.4a in PowerDVD, however (it works only with NVIDIA as none of AMD and Intel supports HDMI 1.4a yet).


Surely Mits adapter is unnecessary, but if the input signal is already checkerboard, it just passes it through? sjchmura can explain it better.
 
#75 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by walford /forum/post/19249988


Yes the Mits adapter will just pass through Checkerboard see the following specs:

http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/pdf/3DA...heet060810.pdf


Some receivers only support with their EDID data and therefore only pass through HDMI 1.4a 3d formats and Checkerboard is not a HDMI 1.4a 3D format.

I completely get what the Mits adapter does. At this point 1.4x gives me no utility at all. What has me thrown is that PDVD10 with ATI cards will do checkerboard. In other threads they are having trouble getting Nvidia to work let alone ATI. Not that I don't intend to buy a better graphics card but that is a can I would rather kick down the road a few months as we should see very inexpensive Nvidia 4xx and ATI 6xxx cards. I am bitstreaming fine now with a 5450.


I did not see that option in the menus when I was poking around yesterday. I think I have the latest build. No glasses or content until tomorrow, but I guess I need to look a lot harder than I am. I don't really want to buy an Nvidia card or and adpater. I do have a PS3, but an adpater is another $100 that could be better used elsewhere as Comcast in Houston does not yet do 3d and no ETA.
 
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