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post #61 of 180 Old 08-16-2010, 04:04 PM
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... I think the Dell s580 looks pretty nice too. It is slim, and has a core i3 processor, so you get the HD graphics and HD audio bitstreaming. ...

I played around with that one too, but there doesn't seem to be any way to add a dedicated graphics card on that one. The option is grayed out as soon as you select a Slim Form Factor from the selection on the left of the search screen. Maybe it doesn't really matter?

http://www.dell.com/home/desktops#su...8739392&page=1

Also, I don't think either the HP slim tower, or the Dell slim tower have digital audio output options (for hooking up digital audio to an AVR without HDMI audio support, which I was thinking about). Most of the ION choices, if not all, do have this.
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Can ION 1 or 2 play 1080p60 H.264 streams produced by Panasonic TM700 camcorder in DXVA? ... my old ATI HD2400 can't really play them - turns them into a slideshow.
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Both the dell and HP should have plenty of horse power, and the size if really up to what you can manage, I have plenty of space for a full PC case, but I guess I took this as a challenge to see if I could build something small, on budget, and meet 100% of my requirements, and come in at the ION price tag of roughly $350.

There's no issue with performance on my build, and I like the case, I just got a bum PSU. I found some better PSU's for around $40 with shipping, but I went ahead today and ordered a new fan, it was cheap, $10 with shipping, so I'll give this a shot. I just wish more local stores carried cases and 15MM thick fans, most are 25mm, neither frys or Micro center had much of a selection in store for itx/htpc cases. The foxconn case could be more compact, there should be a design with a 2.5 HDD in mind, either a full or slim optical drive, and a nice 60-70mm fan in the back. In my quest for a PSU, I found some that were smaller than the fox con with 270 and 300 watt ratings which would provide a bit more room, and why can't the PSU vent out instead of back in the unit, This is not rocket science.

These are close, but should be closer to 10X10X3, this would be the perfect size. And check out this tiny PSU, 3.2" x 1.7" x 6", ok, so your case can be 3.5 inches tall, and then 10X10.

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Can ION 1 or 2 play 1080p60 H.264 streams produced by Panasonic TM700 camcorder in DXVA? ... my old ATI HD2400 can't really play them - turns them into a slideshow.

No.

A VP4 engine is required.
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Reviews of the Jetway Netop with the D525 Ion are now showing up on Newegg, nothing in regards to an HTPC usage yet.

Also, I have some BD Rips in MKV now that I'll test on the q150 some time this week. using both the wired and the built in wireless N.

(as a side note if any one can help me with MKV, please PM me, I used Make MKV, and from what I can tell it's straight rip of ISO Main movie, no compression)

Funny, I have a blu ray drive, and no software, so I have to rip to MKV to view it. lol. It's on OEM drive, but some folks received software and a sata cable from newegg, and others like me only received the drive. Thanks newegg

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Reviews of the Jetway Netop with the D525 Ion are now showing up on Newegg, nothing in regards to an HTPC usage yet. ...

I just noticed that too. Here's a link, and a comparison of the D510 vs. D525.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16856107072
http://ark.intel.com/Compare.aspx?ids=43098,49490,

The Jetway "Mini-TOP" does have integrated wireless N (if it's any good ...) but no digital audio output option other than HDMI. Newegg are also bundling it currently for just $10 more with a 250GB Seagate Momentus 7200RPM drive. I would have expected a 7200 drive to introduce heat related issues in such a small box. I think just about everything else in this category is using 5400RPM drives.
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Ok, I’m streaming a BD rip, MKV file format, on the Q150 with the D510 Ion, and the CPU is averaging around 16-20%. The file has not skipped once for the 20 minutes that I've had it playing, now I have it connected to an old monitor with screen res set to 1024X768 via VGA and I’m using headphones, sorry, quickest way to set this up. I’m streaming the movie via boxee from a WHS. The MKV file is 34GB’s. I'm impressed. Audio is in sync, forced subtitles are showing, I'm not sure if I should be happy with the ion or Makemkv Software that I used to make the file, all audio streams, except the lossless are there. see attachement.

For comparison, I'm running another file of similar size etc, on my quad core, and i'm averaging 30-37% CPU utilization, maybe this ion is not too bad after all. Which goes back to the crappy coding of flash and sliver light.

I'll connect the Q150 to my Main TV, res of 1080 this weekend, and will report back.

Frankly I doubt there will be little difference with the D525 CPU on the Jetway, very little difference in Horse power accoding to the passmark score. Also I'm using the very old nvidia drivers 197.XXX.
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The Shuttle xs35gt (fanless ion 2 mini pc) is up for sale at newegg.

I'm still waiting to see if the netflix issue is fixable with a silverlight update or if it is an unavoidable consequence of silverlight plus a low power CPU.
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[quote=skro;19070750]The Shuttle xs35gt (fanless ion 2 mini pc) is up for sale at newegg.[/QUOTE

that's pricey, unless your running linux, I don't think an internal DVD is worth $130 if compared with other units in the $350 price range they complete with OS. $380+100 for the the OS,=$480,

Now that more of the D510's are hitting the market, maybe we'll get some support from nvidia, flash, and silverlight.

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I'll be building a HTPC based on the new ASUS AT5IONT-I motherboard.

I'll keep you guys posted

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I'll be building a HTPC based on the new ASUS AT5IONT-I motherboard.

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Good luck, I take back what I said earlier about the Q150, at 720 and 1080, it pauses every so often to buffer playing the earlier mentioned file. I'm sure I could try to run it in XMBC or a lighter player, but that's not the point. the D510 is not ready to even light HTPC usage. As mentioned I'm running on old Nvidia drivers, the current verison will not install on this machine, and I'm running out patience.

I see your going with an ultra small FF, why go with the ion if you have that much room to worrk with?

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Both the dell and HP should have plenty of horse power, and the size if really up to what you can manage, I have plenty of space for a full PC case, but I guess I took this as a challenge to see if I could build something small, on budget, and meet 100% of my requirements, and come in at the ION price tag of roughly $350.

There's no issue with performance on my build, and I like the case, I just got a bum PSU. I found some better PSU's for around $40 with shipping, but I went ahead today and ordered a new fan, it was cheap, $10 with shipping, so I'll give this a shot. I just wish more local stores carried cases and 15MM thick fans, most are 25mm, neither frys or Micro center had much of a selection in store for itx/htpc cases. The foxconn case could be more compact, there should be a design with a 2.5 HDD in mind, either a full or slim optical drive, and a nice 60-70mm fan in the back. In my quest for a PSU, I found some that were smaller than the fox con with 270 and 300 watt ratings which would provide a bit more room, and why can't the PSU vent out instead of back in the unit, This is not rocket science.

These are close, but should be closer to 10X10X3, this would be the perfect size. And check out this tiny PSU, 3.2" x 1.7" x 6", ok, so your case can be 3.5 inches tall, and then 10X10.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817148044

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-241-_-Product

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-016-_-Product

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811154100

Ok, the $10 fan makes the PSU very happy, So happy, that is has nothing to say, but Now I hear the CPU fan (I'm getting critical now, its really not that bad), the PSU fan was so load before, did't think the cpu fan needed to be replaced. I'll live with it for now, need to determin how loud it really is, from 5 feet away, I can just here it, but it could be my WHS.

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The Shuttle xs35gt (fanless ion 2 mini pc) is up for sale at newegg.[/QUOTE

that's pricey, unless your running linux, I don't think an internal DVD is worth $130 if compared with other units in the $350 price range they complete with OS. $380+100 for the the OS,=$480,

Now that more of the D510's are hitting the market, maybe we'll get some support from nvidia, flash, and silverlight.

Seems like a decent deal considering a MacMini costs $699 and only has a 250GB hard drive. There are no other SFF that are passively cooled with an internal DVD at this price point.
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Can ION 1 or 2 play 1080p60 H.264 streams produced by Panasonic TM700 camcorder in DXVA? ... my old ATI HD2400 can't really play them - turns them into a slideshow.

Ion 2/Next-Gen Ion(GT218) has the VP4 decoder engine but I don't know if there's enough bandwidth to do 60FPS decoding, that PCIe 1x connection might be the limiting factor. The first gen Ion only has VP3 decoder engine and VP3 doesn't have the performance needed for 60FPS decoding.
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Thanks HDGT and mariner888. Wikipedia does mention that ION 2 has the VP4 engine, so potentially it may play those. Would be great if someone could confirm - there is plenty of 60p transport streams around - one could find them starting their search in Camcoder section of the avsforum. For instance:
http://hdcam.web-pda.info/
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Some Panasonic 1920x108/60p samples for a few kind souls to test:

Ginza Cat (158.2 MB)
San Fran trolley.MTS (42,5MB)
Zoo 1 (61.9.MB)
Zoo 2 (68.9MB)
Zoo 3 (41.1MB)

Many thanks.
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Some Panasonic 1920x108/60p samples for a few kind souls to test:



Many thanks.

Can you recommend an app to play the files? Will this play in media player classic or some universial player? Or do I need the OEM panasonic software? I'll test out today/tomorrow on my Q150 with the D510.

I had just packed it back up lol. Not sure if I'm going to keep it or not.

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..Will this play in media player classic or some universial player?....

Yes, but MPC's internal decoder may have problem playing them.

Thanks for testing.
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Some Panasonic 1920x108/60p samples for a few kind souls to test:

Many thanks.

The videos play fine in Windows Media Player (I assume this is version 12 on windows7) and it plays fine with in boxee on the Q150

Now, it jumps a bit when it first starts, but I put it in a loop, playing it off a thumb drive, they all played fine after the first 1-2 seconds.

Guess I forgot to mention that the q150 res is set at 1080, playing via HDMI on a 40 LCD.

Now you've got me thinking, I'm going to try and play a HD MKV off a usb HDD and see how that works.

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Greetings dbaiiley75.

Thanks for testing.

Any chance you could test it with mpc and psot a screen shot?

Best regards.
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Greetings dbaiiley75.

Thanks for testing.

Any chance you could test it with mpc and psot a screen shot?

Best regards.

MPC was jumpy, don't recommend. I was going to do a video of me playing the video, lol, just didn't have time, have a two year old and 5 year old, weekends get really crazy.

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Did you try using external decoders, ie MS, Cyberlink or Arcsoft?
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Did you try using external decoders, ie MS, Cyberlink or Arcsoft?

No, I don't own any other apps.

I would not recommend this PC to anyone unless you need a small PC for surfing the net and checking email at least not until there are some updates from Nvidia, or flash or silverlight.

Zotac offers the update for their barebones, so maybe some one with a zotac and the latest firmware could comment on its peformance after the update.

I did convert a BD to a straight m2ts rip and it plays fine from a USB device using Mediaplayer 12, but it did not play well in boxee or XMBC. If you haven't already, there's an article about the NM10 chipset that you should read, http://www.anandtech.com/show/3702/z...orse-than-ion1. As you'll find out the problem is not the cpu/gpu but the motherboard/nm10 chipset and the lack of bandwidth on the board for processing large streams of data.

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The Shuttle xs35gt (fanless ion 2 mini pc) is up for sale at newegg. ...

Newegg currently has two versions: 1GB RAM and 160GB HDD for about $250 (with shipping), or 2GB RAM and 320GB HDD for about $300 (with shipping). Models XS35-702 and XS35-704 respectively. Neither have an operating system included, but Newegg sells the regular Win7 Home Premium for about an extra $100.

SuperBiiz had XS35-702 for $190 shipped last week, but they'e listing different specifications, most obviously wireless g connectivity, not wireless n. Still no O.S.

http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=SY-X35-702&c=CJ

In any case, with no HDMI, and no digital audio output, I don't think I'll be rushing to buy this for anything other than web browsing, e-mail and basic office applications.

The U.S. Shuttle website seems to offer some clarification where it now displays the X350 with HDMI, but still no digital audio output. The specifications page seems to show clearly that only this model in that range has the ION2.

http://us.shuttle.com/X350.aspx

Other than an integrated DVD recorder, this doesn't seem to have much to make it an improvement vs. the Lenovo Q150 ION2 (which has an O.S. inlcuded). No O.S. for the Shuttle in particular seems to be a stumbling block, since the free Linux/Ubuntu based O.S. releases don't seem to be playing nice with ION (1 or 2).
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I have the Zotac HD-ID11 and have put XP on it and MPC-HC, along with an older copy of powerdvd 7.3 that has blu-ray/h.264 hardware decoding capability. The powerdvd came with a refurb sony bluray drive I bought a while ago.

I've played some DVD's on it in mpc-hc and powerdvd just fine. I hooked up the sata blu-ray drive with the innards from an external sata hard drive case, duct tape, a few stone knives and a bear skin. Powerdvd played a few blu-rays just fine with this setup. I have no reason to believe they wouldnt play if ripped or converted to a format that mpc-hc or powerdvd supported.

I also downloaded an h.264 1080p copy of Big Buck Bunny and played that fine in powerdvd. It didnt play well in mpc-hc. I had this same problem before with mpc-hc and installed the coreavc codec and that solved it. This was with a revo 1600.

I have the very, very latest nvidia driver and the very latest flash on XP, and it doesnt play HD youtube or netflix well at all. Its choppy and in some cases (mostly with 720p or 1080p) it goes to a slow mo slide show. I've seen a few people say that this works great for them on the same hardware, but the correlation I think I'm seeing is that they're running windows 7 and I'm running XP.

I also own a single core atom/original ion revo 1600, and basically had the same exact results with that. Both this fancy dan new box and the old one will run almost any properly formatted video with mpc-hc or powerdvd, although admittedly the dual core atom version is a lot snappier at startup/app load/etc. I've even run the "directv2pc" app on the revo 1600, which streams mpeg4 video from my directv dvr with encryption and all sorts of stuff. That app calls for a minimum 2GHz dual core and wants a gpu with hardware acceleration of mpeg4. However it does load, eventually, on the 1600 and, eventually, starts playback of a show. After that its actually indistinguishable from any other computer in the house. I havent tried this yet on the Zotac HD-ID11, although i have a feeling it wont work or work as well because....

I wish I'd known about the "next generation" ion hanging off a PCI-E X1 channel. Thats simply not fast enough for streaming video with overlays. Basically that'll be quick enough for one way video acceleration, but youtube, netflix and directv2pc all dump the video off for decoding, then they want it back to put menus, overlay and ads on top of it (compositing), and then send it back to the graphics chip for display. Three trips rather than the one trip for displaying a dvd, blu-ray or mkv file. An X1 channel doesnt have the bandwidth for three trips.

Its possible to offload more of the work to the GPU and reduce the round trips, and that might make video playback with flash and silverlight work better, but as soon as any overlay or menu gets added, you're going to get stuttering video.

Nvidia's decision to not license the patented goodies from Intel that would let them make a next gen ion that was the central hub, like the original ion was, seems to me to have been a bad one. I dont think this architecture will actually ever work as designed for composited, overlaid streaming video. At a minimum the developers at adobe, microsoft and directv would have to make major, major changes to their software just for the NG ion.

I think the motherboard makers could sacrifice other stuff and maybe scrape up enough bus bandwidth to bump the connection up to 4x, which would be good enough, but I dont know how useful a box with no wireless and no gigabit ethernet would be.

I havent tried any other software options, because I dont want to throw another $100 at this thing to run windows 7 and see if that helps. There isnt much reason to expect that linux would do any better either, but since thats free I might give it a whirl.

Of course, the 1600 did everything that this does for me, I just wanted the nicety of snappier speed and presumably youtube and netflix video playback and I didnt get the latter.

Sadly, newegg doesnt take these back. Its 30 day replace only for a defective unit. I cant even bequeath it to my kid because 90% of what he does involves flash with a lot of overlays.

Other than the streaming video issue, the only other problem I've had with the HD-ID11 is heat. The little fan on the cpu/ion certainly whizzes some air around, but there is a good size gap between its exhaust and the teeny tiny holes in the case. So a good bit of the hot air just gets blown around inside the case. I'm considering enlarging a few of the holes and sealing the gap between the exhaust cowl and the case side, but I think that will make it louder. Maybe a lot louder. The hard drive also runs at 125+ degrees, which is a little hot for me. I did notice that if I stand the unit up on its little stand with the fan exhausting upwards, that the cpu temps dropped by almost 10 degrees. My only explanation for that is that in that orientation, convection cooling becomes a possibility and that gap between the cowl and the case side lets some warm air flow out through the top. I havent had a chance to see how that affects hard drive temps.

Lastly, while I havent removed the motherboard to look under it, this looks like a board screwed into a plastic case with no RF shielding of any kind. I havent experienced any interference from this with anything else, since there isnt anything within 5' of the box. I've noticed the shielding and metal springy fingers that the revo 1600 use, and presume those are there for a reason. The plastic also doesnt do much for heat dissipation.

I'm almost tempted to find a small empty case with a large quiet fan and stick the ID-11 in it with its case top removed. I could then also mount a dvd drive in the bigger case and connect it to the USB port on the ID-11 and dispense with the external drive that I seem to need regularly for one thing or another. I'll wait and see if the heat becomes a problem down the road.
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Thanks for that informative and thorough post. I hope that there is at least a little room for further development to bring Flash up to speed, such as the change that occurred from the 7/19 driver that finally enabled 1080p Flash (so long as overlays are not activated, as you note).
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Great review, and good explanation on the PCI e bus. Its like turning the connector in Atlanta GA into a one way road. And I'm with you, I didn't notice the anandtech article until after I made the purchase on newegg, I though I had gotten lucky as UPS had marked the package as being delivered, but it wasn't delivered to my house, so I has going to ask New Egg for a refund, but my neighbor dropped it off the next day. Oh well.

I'm learning to live with it, now that I've spent additional money on a home brew for the primary TV, with that being said, it's going to be 100% wireless and connected to my secondary TV, it works ok streaming IOS's from my WHS, max wireless connection on this guy is 150MBS using the internal wireless N, but I'm averaging 60 which seems to work just find with Std Def. For HD files, I'm going to trim them down, and remove all DD, DTS, HD audio streams since the TV is not connected to an AVR, And Like you, I could of just picked up the D410 version of this unit with XP for $200, or the revo 1600, and would have done the same thing, and most likely better for less money. The only real pro I can say is that is does work well as PC for my 5 year old, Kidzui, sprout, Disney, all seem to work well on this PC, so it's not a complete loss, a good streamer couldn't provide the PC functions, and my brief ownership of the the popbox proved that streamers are not the best wireless streaming devices as they are not able to buffer video like a PC, even Std def would stutter. (yes, the popbox was a complete bust, but it did actually stream video, just not much else)

The chipset to me is just a complete flop, I'm am curious, for folks that purchased the D510 barebones with out the ion graphics and are installing the mini PCI HD Brodcom Graphics adapter, are they having the same issues? Are they stuck with a single PCIe lane for the GPU?

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Reading these posts makes me shake my head and wonder if the people reviewing these things even know what they are doing.... Seriously.

I have a revo 3610 running XBMC Live (not running under windows or anything) and plays everything i throw at it without a hitch... so either these companies with more modern chipsets from intel and nvidia is totallly BS or the people using them simply doesnt know what they are doing.

Why are we using POWER DVD?!?! or Windows Media Player in the first place for instance... XBMC does it all and not 1/10th the hog of these programs.

Its either you want a HTPC (HOme Theatre PC that does just only that) or a NETTOP (computer with operating system like windows so you can surf) trying both (running anything under Windows, is CRAP in the first place, its the nature of Windows!!!).

POPBOX?!?! Dont even mention that name to me, its total and utter crap and to this day doesnt work properly even after numerous bios updates.

If you want a HTPC to do HTPC STuff... get the ACER REVO 3610 and install XBMC live on it (or even thru windows or linux os ) still runs perfect. but why add to the overhead with an OS (meaning full blown windows and or linux)

Anyways end of rant... just dont like seeing people complain about a company's products and talking about stutter/shutter and fan noise (as if a hummm is such a big deal when theres a Big BOOMing 5.1 movie playing) i mean come on, were getting a bit ANAL here arent we?? and if you are your media area were your equiptment resides should be sound proof anyways so blame yourself really.

if you want something ZEro Noise and plays everything buy an Asus O!Play and update to latest Bios, they even have webbrowser on it now too if you wanna surf.

Other than that, as many things as i have tried nothing beats the REVO so far running XBMC Live
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Reading these posts makes me shake my head and wonder if the people reviewing these things even know what they are doing.... Seriously.

There's a forum for linux based ion 2 discussions if your intrested.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1231833

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Reading these posts makes me shake my head and wonder if the people reviewing these things even know what they are doing.... Seriously.

I have a revo 3610 running XBMC Live (not running under windows or anything) and plays everything i throw at it without a hitch... so either these companies with more modern chipsets from intel and nvidia is totallly BS or the people using them simply doesnt know what they are doing.

Why are we using POWER DVD?!?! or Windows Media Player in the first place for instance... XBMC does it all and not 1/10th the hog of these programs.

Its either you want a HTPC (HOme Theatre PC that does just only that) or a NETTOP (computer with operating system like windows so you can surf) trying both (running anything under Windows, is CRAP in the first place, its the nature of Windows!!!).

POPBOX?!?! Dont even mention that name to me, its total and utter crap and to this day doesnt work properly even after numerous bios updates.

If you want a HTPC to do HTPC STuff... get the ACER REVO 3610 and install XBMC live on it (or even thru windows or linux os ) still runs perfect. but why add to the overhead with an OS (meaning full blown windows and or linux)

Anyways end of rant... just dont like seeing people complain about a company's products and talking about stutter/shutter and fan noise (as if a hummm is such a big deal when theres a Big BOOMing 5.1 movie playing) i mean come on, were getting a bit ANAL here arent we?? and if you are your media area were your equiptment resides should be sound proof anyways so blame yourself really.

if you want something ZEro Noise and plays everything buy an Asus O!Play and update to latest Bios, they even have webbrowser on it now too if you wanna surf.

Other than that, as many things as i have tried nothing beats the REVO so far running XBMC Live

This custom distro - http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?t=61340 - might be even faster than XBMC live.
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