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I wonder -- if the Ceton driver gets reinstalled, will that affect the ability to watch previous copy-protected recordings, or not really?
Protected recordings are tied to the WMC computer that made the recording, not the tuner. I've re-installed drivers, replaced a failed CableCARD and cloned the OS HDD to a SSD and that had no effect on being able to play protected recordings. I've since removed the Ceton tuner card from that computer and installed it in a different computer. All of my protected recordings continue to play as long as I play them from the PC that recorded them.
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Wow, it's a relief to know that I can experiment around so much without fear of losing everything the wife has recorded. Thanks @Walternate and @Ken.F for the info.

After the latest fail, I set off the AV (Norton) firewall to be turned off for 1 hour and rebooted the PC with the firewall off, to see if WMC screws up near the 60-minute mark when the firewall comes back online. From my reading, firewall issues are another thing to look at, although I've never had any problems with that before.

Everything's working again for now. This time WMC invited me to set up or activate the CableCard, but clicking through most of that I was able to tune any and all channels again. For now.
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Help!

I'm using WMC on Windows 7 Home Premium, with a Ceton InfiniTV4 PCI-e tuner.

Everything had been working fine for months until this afternoon, when I installed this month's massive load of Windows Updates. Unfortunately, to confuse things there was also a Norton Internet Security update that required a reboot, and a spontaneous "Microsoft Office Starter 2010" update (I'd never had one of these before on this machine).

After the reboot, I had to do the usual things with WMC to get it working again -- slide out the CableCard, wait 30 seconds, and slide it back in, then change the channel. Everything seemed to be working fine, but then after a few minutes the screen went black. None of the usual quick fixes I did (close and relaunch WMC, slide the CableCard out and back in, reboot the computer) got it to work again. At best I wouid get the "Viewing or Listening Conflict" error, or else the one telling me that "The TV signal cannot be configured because no TV tuner was detected."

What's frustrating is that when I go into Device Manager, it tells me that the tuner is working properly. Moreover, the Ceton Diagnostics Tool gives me all green checks, including the ones for tuning to a channel to check for entitlement/authorization. And yet WMC won't budge; going into TV Setup it tells me that it can't find any tuners?!?

What could be going on, and what can I do to get this fixed? WAF is fast plummeting to zero and a cableco DVR is looming on the horizon.

TIA for any tips or suggestions.
System Restore is your friend. Roll back to the restore point that Windows automatically created before installing all those updates.

My WMC box is dedicated to that task. I've not only turned off Windows Updates, I've also turned off the Update service itself (otherwise, "critical" updates will continue to slide in). I've learned over the years that what you describe is more typical than not, as a result of various updates.
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And here's the best reason to leave updates off for a PC that does nothing but record TV and serve it to the wife and family:

http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...f_Death_update

Microsoft urges customers to uninstall 'Blue Screen of Death' update

One of last week's security updates has bricked an unknown number of PCs running Windows 7



...Within hours of its release, however, users reported that MS14-045 had generated a Stop 0x50 error on some systems, mostly on Windows 7 PCs running the 64-bit version of the OS.
"Installation went smoothly. After rebooting everything worked fine. But when I shut down my notebook and switched it on a little later it came up with a blue screen with a Stop 0x50 in Win32k.sys. I could not even boot into safe mode as Windows failed to start no matter which mode chose," wrote a user identified as "xformer" to start a now-long thread on Microsoft's support discussion forum...
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And here's the best reason to leave updates off for a PC that does nothing but record TV and serve it to the wife and family:

http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...f_Death_update

Microsoft urges customers to uninstall 'Blue Screen of Death' update

One of last week's security updates has bricked an unknown number of PCs running Windows 7



...Within hours of its release, however, users reported that MS14-045 had generated a Stop 0x50 error on some systems, mostly on Windows 7 PCs running the 64-bit version of the OS.
"Installation went smoothly. After rebooting everything worked fine. But when I shut down my notebook and switched it on a little later it came up with a blue screen with a Stop 0x50 in Win32k.sys. I could not even boot into safe mode as Windows failed to start no matter which mode chose," wrote a user identified as "xformer" to start a now-long thread on Microsoft's support discussion forum...
yet another reason why it makes sense to backup that HTPC too, even if your media is stored some where else. Otherwise all those encrypted recordings are toast.

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And here's the best reason to leave updates off for a PC that does nothing but record TV and serve it to the wife and family:

http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...f_Death_update

Microsoft urges customers to uninstall 'Blue Screen of Death' update

One of last week's security updates has bricked an unknown number of PCs running Windows 7



...Within hours of its release, however, users reported that MS14-045 had generated a Stop 0x50 error on some systems, mostly on Windows 7 PCs running the 64-bit version of the OS.
"Installation went smoothly. After rebooting everything worked fine. But when I shut down my notebook and switched it on a little later it came up with a blue screen with a Stop 0x50 in Win32k.sys. I could not even boot into safe mode as Windows failed to start no matter which mode chose," wrote a user identified as "xformer" to start a now-long thread on Microsoft's support discussion forum...

I had not one but TWO different Windows 7 64-bit updates corrupt the partition of my secondary 3TB WD Red HDD. Two different drives, two different updates. Still trying to rebuild the partition of one to not lose all the data contained within as there were some files that weren't backed up on the 2nd one. It should be noted that in both instances these were brand new WD Reds known for reliability and were less than 3mos old at the time of the update that resulted in a toasted registry after the very next reboot.

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System Restore is your friend. Roll back to the restore point that Windows automatically created before installing all those updates.

My WMC box is dedicated to that task. I've not only turned off Windows Updates, I've also turned off the Update service itself (otherwise, "critical" updates will continue to slide in). I've learned over the years that what you describe is more typical than not, as a result of various updates.
Sadly, System Restore wasn't enough of a friend to resolve the problem. I tried three different restore points, including two that were prior to the Windows Updates, and it didn't help.

Gor a new CableCard today in case it was that which was acting up. Put it in, called Comcast to activate it, and it worked -- for about an hour and twenty minutes, then we went back to the same "Viewing or Listening Conflict" message.

I checked Event Viewer and all it says is that, at the specific moment the error occurred, handling of the tuner switched to "manual".

That "conflict" error in WMC has been coming up fairly reliably at one of three points in time: 4-5 minutes after rebooting and relaunching WMC (plus sliding the CableCard out and back in its slot); or about 20 minutes after; or about 1 hour 20 minutes after. Today with the new CableCard it stopped again at approximately the 1:20 mark.

Two questions:

1) Could it be the Ceton tuner that's acting up, and not the CableCard and not Windows? (Although it would be one heck of a coincidence that this started just when I installed Windows and Norton updates.)

2) If I reinstall Windows from scratch, will I lose access to the protected recordings? Presumably in order to keep the recordings at all, I'd have to copy them off the internal hard drive, then copy them back to the internal drive after the fresh Windows installation. (I did see Ken.F's reply, but want to make sure that what he said also applies to Windows reinstalls.)

Wife has started to talk about WMC in the past tense: "It was a nice experiment with its own advantages over a DVR, especially that talking double-time fast-forward, but..."
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If I reinstall Windows from scratch, will I lose access to the protected recordings?
You probably won't be able to play your protected recordings after reinstalling Windows.
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Thanks for that info, good to know if it comes to that.

Good news, though: I changed a couple of settings in the Norton firewall according to these instructions. Everything was still working last night well after that 1:20 mark, and I left it playing a cable channel overnight (with the TV set off). Still working this morning!

I had no reason to suspect anything having to do with the firewall, as I'd always used Norton on this PC and never had a firewall-related problem. But I was running out of options other than reinstalling Windows. (The other option was, I was about to open a ticket with Ceton to see if the tuner had gone bad.)

Then I thought, Saturday's Norton update involved installing a new version of Norton Internet Security, and it occurred to me that in their infinite wisdom they might have changed some setting along with the new version of the software.

Not sure what the old firewall setting might have been, but I changed the Ceton tuner from "full trust" to "shared" (as Ceton recommends) and that seems to have done the trick. So far, so good.

Man, a WMC system is so complicated. So many things that could go wrong. Definitely not for the impatient or the convenience-minded, but well worth it if you're willing to take it on.
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Thanks for that info, good to know if it comes to that.

Good news, though: I changed a couple of settings in the Norton firewall according to these instructions. Everything was still working last night well after that 1:20 mark, and I left it playing a cable channel overnight (with the TV set off). Still working this morning!

I had no reason to suspect anything having to do with the firewall, as I'd always used Norton on this PC and never had a firewall-related problem. But I was running out of options other than reinstalling Windows. (The other option was, I was about to open a ticket with Ceton to see if the tuner had gone bad.)

Then I thought, Saturday's Norton update involved installing a new version of Norton Internet Security, and it occurred to me that in their infinite wisdom they might have changed some setting along with the new version of the software.

Not sure what the old firewall setting might have been, but I changed the Ceton tuner from "full trust" to "shared" (as Ceton recommends) and that seems to have done the trick. So far, so good.

Man, a WMC system is so complicated. So many things that could go wrong. Definitely not for the impatient or the convenience-minded, but well worth it if you're willing to take it on.
There are a couple of no-no's for Tuner-HDPC's according to some including Assassin and Ceton: One Anti-virus system only and preferable MSE, no doubling up on that. Second, keep the install/use of other programs to a minimum. Do not use as web surfer above all. I recently did a complete Win7 reinstall, however, and lost no recorded material. Last year lost an MB and kept most but not all recorded material. Will depend on how much protected premium TV content you recorded. Mine was just regular channels, so no big deal apparently.
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There are a couple of no-no's for Tuner-HDPC's according to some including Assassin and Ceton: One Anti-virus system only and preferable MSE, no doubling up on that. Second, keep the install/use of other programs to a minimum. Do not use as web surfer above all. I recently did a complete Win7 reinstall, however, and lost no recorded material. Last year lost an MB and kept most but not all recorded material. Will depend on how much protected premium TV content you recorded. Mine was just regular channels, so no big deal apparently.
Thanks!

We do do most of that list, except for Norton instead of MSE, and using Internet Explorer to visit Hulu/Netflix or network sites for the occasional show streaming. (We just got into "Extant" and have been streaming from the CBS website.)

I'm especially glad to learn that you got to do a complete Windows reinstall withoug losing recorded material. It's reassuring to know that we can always resort to that when all else fails and not necessarily lose the protected programs we've stored up. (We don't have a lot of them, mainly some movies, but it would still be disappointing to lose them.)
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Thanks!

We do do most of that list, except for Norton instead of MSE, and using Internet Explorer to visit Hulu/Netflix or network sites for the occasional show streaming. (We just got into "Extant" and have been streaming from the CBS website.)

I'm especially glad to learn that you got to do a complete Windows reinstall withoug losing recorded material. It's reassuring to know that we can always resort to that when all else fails and not necessarily lose the protected programs we've stored up. (We don't have a lot of them, mainly some movies, but it would still be disappointing to lose them.)
I want to come back on the topic of material loss with an update: As noted, I had my Win7 reinstalled this week. Last night I had a careful look at my recorded tv shows which includes movies of course (I do not record/rip from DVD or BluRay so do not know much about that), but out of perhaps 100 recorded shows and films, 5 films showed the plain blue screen in place of the scene shot which one normally sees. Going to them, I see they can no longer be played and at the bottom they have a logo and the words "copy protected", so this type of stuff you will apparently lose. You should be able to tell in advance what is copy protected I think. I lost "the Longest Day" which made me unhappy as I am going to Normandy next month, but I think my library probably has. Anyway...word to the wise. Wonder if you cloned that drive before you did the re-install if that would hold the material. I would think it might, but others are more savy than I am on this.
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Thanks for that info, good to know if it comes to that.

Good news, though: I changed a couple of settings in the Norton firewall according to these instructions. Everything was still working last night well after that 1:20 mark, and I left it playing a cable channel overnight (with the TV set off). Still working this morning!
Interestingly, I had a similar issue reccenlty, I have Norton on my main office PC and my kids for some reason like to watch TV in there, anyway, there was a Tuner profile that you could enable in the Norton firewall setting to open the proper ports, but I guess my Norton was automatically updated, and and the new setup was blocking the ports, and I followed the exact same instructions mentioned above, and I'm good to go. Easy enough.

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I'm very sorry if this has been discussed here already, but where did my "sports" tier go in my WMC homescreen? I used to have "sports" along with movies, music, TV, and the like.... Thanks for any help you can offer!
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I'm very sorry if this has been discussed here already, but where did my "sports" tier go in my WMC homescreen? I used to have "sports" along with movies, music, TV, and the like.... Thanks for any help you can offer!
It's no longer functional, along with the "Internet TV", etc. WMC is really down to just DVR/LiveTV. With the occasional scare when the guide data function breaks.
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It's no longer functional, along with the "Internet TV", etc. WMC is really down to just DVR/LiveTV. With the occasional scare when the guide data function breaks.
I personally have never had my guide not there in the years I've been using WMC as my only media service house-wide.

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It's no longer functional, along with the "Internet TV", etc. WMC is really down to just DVR/LiveTV. With the occasional scare when the guide data function breaks.
I noticed that the other day on my Vista Media Center system (OTA, not cable). Most if not all of the Internet-dependent programming is gone. I used to be able to watch sports recaps and all sorts of old TV shows online via WMC -- Dick Van Dyke, Star Trek, you name it. Not anymore, at least not through the "one-stop shopping" of WMC.

The question now is whether WMC will even make it in any guise into Windows 9. IIRC, it was already relegated to a "media pack" that you could buy for $15 if you also shelled out an extra $100 (over and above Win8) for Windows 8 Professional.

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I personally have never had my guide not there in the years I've been using WMC as my only media service house-wide.
You've been fortunate. There are threads around the forum where people have reported guide outages where the programming guide wouldn't update for days at a time. It's happened to us, and I sure do get nervous when that happens -- WAF would drop like a stone if the guide got to zero days advance info.
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Everybody has had outages, but most probably haven't noticed. It usually gets corrected before the data runs out. There was a worldwide guide failure a few months ago. Took MS a while to find someone who knew how to fix it since nobody is assigned to work on WMC full time anymore.

Keeping my fingers crossed WMC survives in Win 9. If anything, with so much more streaming now than when WMC was conceived, they should capitalize on the platform and improve it. With Xbox One it's as if they forget WMC ever existed and used technology from 10 years earlier. IR blasters, seriously?


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With Xbox One it's as if they forget WMC ever existed and used technology from 10 years earlier. IR blasters, seriously?
No WMC extender capability was a total shocker to me.
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I don't think it was much of a surprise. It's no secret cable co's spend a lot of money on politics, writing laws to clearly protect and increase their profit rather then doing anything beneficial to the average person, etc. I would not be surprised in the least if they had a hand in not only helping WMC die out, but especially extender functionality. Even though WMC may be 1 box rental they lose out on, when you start talking extenders, now you are talking an average of several. How many times have you heard or seen people mention spending $30-$40+ per month on provided equipment alone! That's a big revenue stream they lose out on if this stuff really started catching on, so of course they need to make their closed door deals and such to prevent that from happening.


I'm def not one for conspiracies or anything, but I personally think this is one of the biggest reasons why WMC isn't being touched anymore, no other software has surfaced that really has the same or better functionality these days, etc. When WMC came out, especially with the cablecard support, it was a little ahead of the times as people weren't considering using desktop computers in that way, hardware wasn't quite as small, powerfull, and efficient as it is today, that sort of thing. There were also a few other players around too (remember Sage for example?) at the time. Just seems kind of odd to me that finally once this stuff reached a point that it could really start catching on fast, all the big commercial software suddenly gives up/goes away/no new players. I don't think that is coincidence or that MS threw in the towl on WMC because it would never catch on or anything. I think an outside hand helped make things go away.
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I don't think it was much of a surprise. It's no secret cable co's spend a lot of money on politics, writing laws to clearly protect and increase their profit rather then doing anything beneficial to the average person, etc. I would not be surprised in the least if they had a hand in not only helping WMC die out, but especially extender functionality. Even though WMC may be 1 box rental they lose out on, when you start talking extenders, now you are talking an average of several. How many times have you heard or seen people mention spending $30-$40+ per month on provided equipment alone! That's a big revenue stream they lose out on if this stuff really started catching on, so of course they need to make their closed door deals and such to prevent that from happening.


I'm def not one for conspiracies or anything, but I personally think this is one of the biggest reasons why WMC isn't being touched anymore, no other software has surfaced that really has the same or better functionality these days, etc. When WMC came out, especially with the cablecard support, it was a little ahead of the times as people weren't considering using desktop computers in that way, hardware wasn't quite as small, powerfull, and efficient as it is today, that sort of thing. There were also a few other players around too (remember Sage for example?) at the time. Just seems kind of odd to me that finally once this stuff reached a point that it could really start catching on fast, all the big commercial software suddenly gives up/goes away/no new players. I don't think that is coincidence or that MS threw in the towl on WMC because it would never catch on or anything. I think an outside hand helped make things go away.
I'm a gamer and own 4 Xbox 360's... soon to be five. I also own many PCs and laptops. If Micro$oft had native WMC support in Windows 8 and the Xbox One I likely would have bought several of each. I've been a gamer for a while and would have had at least two One's pre-ordered for launch and would have surely replaced the other two shortly thereafter if they made the cut gaming-wise. Funny that they named it the 'One' because their idea was to use one device to replace all the others you currently own. Funny that I've had 'One' device for all of our media & gaming needs for years now but to upgrade to the new 'One' I'd have to start using two devices once again due to lack of WMC support. Lame. This is a larger oversight than M$ realizes. WMC is a fantastic product with plenty of ways to improve and monetize but they missed the boat entirely.

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Everybody has had outages, but most probably haven't noticed. It usually gets corrected before the data runs out. There was a worldwide guide failure a few months ago. Took MS a while to find someone who knew how to fix it since nobody is assigned to work on WMC full time anymore.
Yep, that's what I meant, not an actual failure of the guide data, but a down-to-the-wire race to get it working before it runs out.
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