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post #421 of 1812 Old 09-16-2010, 04:04 PM
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I updated my powerdvd and installed the 260.63 beta.
Got a GTX 460 768mb BTW.
So I went to anxiously try HD bitstreaming. First thing I noticed, powerDVD now had the option of "non-decoded HD audio" prior to loading any movie. I remember it didn't before, must be the update locating my GTX 460 and enabling it.
So I load "the dark knight" and........black screen. I don't know what to do, RESET?
Anyway, I shut down my receiver (Harman kardon AVR-255 (254 in the US) ) and switch it on again, and then I get picture, but the audio is changed to SPDIF from the nvidia hdmi.

So, I wasn't even able to see if it would bitstream, because with nvidia hdmi audio it can't even show picture lol.
I installed WinDVD just to see if this was a powerdvd issue, but same thing happenned!

So I guess it has to do with nvidia drivers (hdmi probably). But I don't know if it is general or has to do with my Harman Kardon....but I am afraid of the second one which means it mught not be fixed soon, or ever...

DD/DTS etc stil work great BTW...
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No issues here with my Denon 1910 + WinDVD10+ Zotac 460. (WHQL 258.96)

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No issues here with my Denon 1910 + WinDVD10+ Zotac 460. (WHQL 258.96)

but with 258.96 you can't bitstream HD audio......can you?
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but with 258.96 you can't bitstream HD audio......can you?

With WinDVD he can.
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No issues here with my Denon 1910 + WinDVD10+ Zotac 460. (WHQL 258.96)

But, that is with AnyDVD, right? Our Greek friend is possibly trying without AnyDVD...

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But, that is with AnyDVD, right? Our Greek friend is possibly trying without AnyDVD...

Well that's just foolish! (I'm joking, of course) But yea, that's with AnyDVD.
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Why would I need AnyDVD? to remove what protection?
The movie is supposed to be already stripped of any protections since it's on my HDD after initial Anydvd treatment...

With the 5770 I had before I never had any problem with powerdvd bitstreaming HD audio without using AnyDVD...



BTW I really didn't know WinDVD could bitstream with the previous drivers, I thought nvidia hadn't enabled the ability yet.... Anyway I went back to 258 and indeed I can bitstream DTS-HD MSTR and TrueHD on my Harman Kardon flawlessly. LPCM however goes as 2channel instead of 5.1 dunno why...

EDIT: Nevermind, fixed the 2channel LPCM, the nvidia hdmi had to be set to 7.1 in playback devices and all is good now
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Why would I need AnyDVD? to remove what protection?
The movie is supposed to be already stripped of any protections since it's on my HDD after initial Anydvd treatment...

With the 5770 I had before I never had any problem with powerdvd bitstreaming HD audio without using AnyDVD...



BTW I really didn't know WinDVD could bitstream with the previous drivers, I thought nvidia hadn't enabled the ability yet.... Anyway I went back to 258 and indeed I can bitstream DTS-HD MSTR and TrueHD on my Harman Kardon flawlessly. LPCM however goes as 2channel instead of 5.1 dunno why...

Yea, if you've already ripped it with AnyDVD it'll work fine for bitstreaming. It's only AACS protected originals that fail to work with the previous driver. (Don't ask ) As for LPCM, that should be easily explained...check windows sound control panel and make sure 5.1 or 7.1 speakers are set as appropriate for your environment.
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I heard from a OEM vendor that 260.63 beta drivers are meant for ION chipsets, and they particularly asked me not to install it on a 425M product.

For bitstreaming, there is a new beta 260.66 supposed to come out soon which should help with this. (260.48 also works if you have access to it).

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If WinDVD bitstream works great with the drivers we got available for months now, then what's all the fuss? People just hate winDVD and wanna be able to use PowerDVD?

Am I missing something?
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If WinDVD bitstream works great with the drivers we got available for months now, then what's all the fuss? People just hate winDVD and wanna be able to use PowerDVD?

Am I missing something?

Actually, the fuss is about playing back AACS protected BDs witout AnyDVD. Also, got to do with the fact that PowerDVD is a much more widespread product than WinDVD (and it couldn't bitstream non-AACS sources with the earlier drivers)

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Fair enough.

From my point of view, I couldnt care less about powerDVD. I was using it simply because it got the job done (with my 5770), but only for Bluray and nothing else. If winDVD can offer me the same bluray ability I'm OK with it.

Other than that, I can see the fact that it's disappointing not to be able to bitstream a Real AACS protected bluray, but practically, running anydvd, if it solves the problem, it's good enough ain't it? I mean, from all the suffering we get from our HTPCs, at least the fleibility they give us is something we should take advantage of when we can....if installing a simple program solves your problem, just do it, even if it's not the way it's meant to be play(backeed :P)...

Anyway my full collection is on my raid5 array so this doesn't really affect me, not to mention I got a ps3 slim, so I could bitstream a real bluray from there if need be, so this is totally irrelevant for me, but for your sake, I say just use anyDVD for the time being....don't see any major drawback to it...
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I heard from a OEM vendor that 260.63 beta drivers are meant for ION chipsets, and they particularly asked me not to install it on a 425M product.

For bitstreaming, there is a new beta 260.66 supposed to come out soon which should help with this. (260.48 also works if you have access to it).


260.63 is officially advertised by NVIDIA for the 4xx series cards, and tbh, it works flawlessly for me.
PowerDVD is just not fixed yet.

260.66 might as well be the WHQL version of the drivers coming out soon(ish)
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I just downloaded the latest version of powerdvd 2113, the non-decoded high def audio option now appears. but I either get static (without anydvd) and with anydvd I get nothing for audio.

Still at least I can bitstream with windvd :-D, with anydvd :-/

This is all using 258.96 drivers from nvidia's website.

[edit; I can get LPCM outputted over HDMI with PowerDVD, using the non-decoded high defination audio option]
[edit 2; bah, it seems powerdvd when you get a pcm source it does its own thing regardless of the output option, dats ghey]
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This is all using 258.96 drivers from nvidia's website.

Well duh, PowerDVD won't bitstream with those. You need a 260 driver.
Not saying that it'll 100% work then, there are other issues, but with those drivers, not a chance.
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Well duh, PowerDVD won't bitstream with those. You need a 260 driver.
Not saying that it'll 100% work then, there are other issues, but with those drivers, not a chance.

Why is that? Is the 260 offical yet? I checked a little awhile ago on nvidia's website I didn't remember seeing the 260.
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The ability to do bitstreaming using the protected audio path was added in 260, which is required for PowerDVD to work. Its not released as a "final" version yet, but as a beta. Look under beta drivers on the nvidia page. The final with WHQL cert is expected in the next 1-2 weeks.
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I have the 260 and updated my PowerDVD, watched 2 movies yesterday and all went well (one in DTS HD the other in TrueHD)

89+ Blu-ray Disc ;)
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My 450 gets delivered Monday so I'll be able to test it out then. I wonder why it's working for some people and not others.
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I have the 260 and updated my PowerDVD, watched 2 movies yesterday and all went well (one in DTS HD the other in TrueHD)

Perhaps ill give a try then, powerdvd has always had better disc combatibilty, it'd be good to at least have it as a backup. Even thoe im not a fan of its decoder. TMT and WinDVD just seem to have a nicer picture.
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I have the 260 and updated my PowerDVD, watched 2 movies yesterday and all went well (one in DTS HD the other in TrueHD)

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I think they will add this feature to 200 series after they believe they've sold 460 and lower series sufficiently?

Fortuneteller or me?

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Fortuneteller or me?

I'm VERY impressed, Rica. I didn't think they had the hardware support on the 2xx cards to do it. I retract my previous statements in this regard.
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No need bro

It was expected

(but i wasn't able to hack the drivers.)

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No need bro

It was expected

Not by me. I was very vocal that it WOULDN'T work so like I said, I retract my previous statement. Very nicely predicted!
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No, that is not surprising to me.
Vendors who have lots of ex series nVidia/Ati cards left in their hands make pressure to nVidia or Ati and the main GPU manufacturers promise to give support for some stuff later .

"Give me some time guys please, i need to sell new series before. "

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LOL! I wish that were true for the AMD stuff. My 4850 won't be bitstreaming any time soon I'm afraid. Not that it matters as I'm pulling the card out on Monday when my 450 comes. I look forward to putting that through its paces.
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If it has HDMI 1.3, it means it's capable of doing this.
Just a driver issue or just a missing driver hack

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OK guys,

After nVidia said in his official site:

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HD Audio

•Adds lossless DTS-HD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD audio bitstreaming support for compatible Blu-ray movies with GeForce GTX 460 GPUs*.
•Adds high definition 24-bit, 96 and 192 KHz multi-channel audio sampling rate support for compatible Blu-ray movies with GeForce GTX 400 Series ,GT 240, GT 220 and 210 GPUs*.
•Upgrades HD Audio driver to version 1.1.9.0.

here are my fresh test results with new beta drivers. (260.63)

PDVD10 with or without AnyDVD-HD (ver.6.6.9.0)

THD is OK
DTSHD-MA is OK

WinDVD10 with AnyDVD (ver.6.6.9.0) is OK , without is not OK for both formats.

Dunno, it might be related with media foundation stuff?


Haven't checked them out for "silent stream bug" yet btw.


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Which card are you using rica?
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WinDVD is going to need an update to work with the PAP in the new driver in order to do bitstreaming without AnyDVD. They are, however, very nice to let it bitstream when no AACS is present...very similar to how ffdshow works.
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