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I agree on the front end part of that. Their codecs are amazing. PQ in video is great. Clearly the audio support is better than anyone expected. Job well done on the back end. Front end....not so much.

Audio support, only for bitstreaming. Decoding has significant bugs (Dolby Headphone) and limitations (no 7.1).
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He can't until someone gets him the media type information. That can't be done from WinDVD. We'll need to wait for another solution to support the card, unfortunately.

Well, yeah not a big deal anyway. The only problem is with 7.1 DD plus, so that's a non-issue.
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Audio support, only for bitstreaming. Decoding has significant bugs (Dolby Headphone) and limitations (no 7.1).

I thought bitstreaming was a given when I talk about audio. Yea, for decoding, TMT3 is the best of them. PDVD10 is good, but, I'm not sure if they got their DTS-HD MA 7.1 issues worked out or not. WinDVD....I've never tried.
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Well, yeah not a big deal anyway. The only problem is with 7.1 DD plus, so that's a non-issue.

I'm sure at some point a solution will present itself for that problem.
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I do like the front end and interface of WinDVD though, even more than TMT3. Remote is easier to use, especially compared to standalone TMT3.
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It has some issues that could be addressed. The "7MC integration" is embarrassing at best. Nonetheless, it does a good job overall. And for the price most of us paid, well, can't really go wrong. I should really update mine to the latest build.
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Well next for me is running the battery of video tests, and if I'm comfortable enough with it all, try to fit an Accelero S1. These Palit cards though have a warranty sticker on the screws, I don't think I have seen that with any other cards I've had before.
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This is not related directly i know but some of you guys might find it worth to have a look:

My trial results with my ex Creative Xi-Fi over analog cables to AVR on seven 64 on my hybrid system:

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hmm my display is now refreshing at 23.973 and 59.949. With ATI it was always near perfect, 23.976 and 59.940
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This is good news that NVIDIA finally got cards with a proper HDMI feature set out.

Now i just hope for a budget model for HTPC use..
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199 bucks is quite steep but I'm glad the audio features are finally in
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199 bucks is quite steep but I'm glad the audio features are finally in

That's because this is primarily a gamer card. Hopefully, we'll get the lower end models soon.
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A rumor:

- GeForce GTS 455/450 (GF106): $129-179, August, replacing GTS 250, a competitor to HD 5700 series.
- GeForce ??? [could be GT 440?] (GF108): under $100, Septemeber, replacing GT 240, a competitor to HD 5600/5500 series.

On the other hand,

- Radeon HD 6xxx: October. UVD3 (MPEG-4 MVC decoder) and HDMI 1.4 are new.

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Is the Radeon 6xxx rumor based on any hard evidence? I haven't seen any half-official looking thing, yet - although i might've been blind.
But i also know that the low-end nvidia cards are not "official" yet either.

On the other hand, i still greatly prefer NVIDIA, their VP4 is superior to UVD2 any day. (Also, I'm not a big fan of 3D for home cinema, it wouldn't be a bonus for me)
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- October rumor
- Specs rumor (Bun Honma's aricles are usually very accurate. my own summary)

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Does anyone know if any of these cards will FINALLY support HDMI-CEC ?? I cannot understand why both ATI and nVidia keep avoiding this feature.
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Thanks rene for the info.

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A rumor:

- GeForce GTS 455/450 (GF106): $129-179, August, replacing GTS 250, a competitor to HD 5700 series.
- GeForce ??? [could be GT 440?] (GF108): under $100, Septemeber, replacing GT 240, a competitor to HD 5600/5500 series.

Cool, thanks! I do want the GTX 460 but I don't think it'll work well inside a Sugo SG05 w/300W PSU. The Sugo SG07 is just way too big for me.
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- October rumor
- Specs rumor (Bun Honma's aricles are usually very accurate. my own summary)

Somehow it would seem weird to start off the new series of cards with the low-end / mid-range cards. But maybe i'm just too focused on nvidia in my mind, which always start off with the high-end models. *shrug*

All i want is a good HTPC card, preferably nvidia due to better software compat with dxva decoders, but if the arguments for any other cards are clearly superior, i'm not locked in there =)
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Somehow it would seem weird to start off the new series of cards with the low-end / mid-range cards. But maybe i'm just too focused on nvidia in my mind, which always start off with the high-end models. *shrug*

Uh... The high-end's already in place:
GTX 480 (GF100)
GTX 470 (GF100)
GTX 465 (GF100)
GTX 460 (GF104)
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He's talking about the rumored new ATI cards.
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HD 6xxx is not a new GPU architecture, it's a minor revision of HD 5xxx, based on the same 40 nm process. So AMD could release whichever segment first...

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He's talking about the rumored new ATI cards.

Ah... Gotcha.

By the way, looks like the GTS 450 just got a bit more official:
techPowerUp! - GeForce GTS 450 to Sport New GPU, 128-bit Memory Interface
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HD 6xxx is not a new GPU architecture, it's a minor revision of HD 5xxx, based on the same 40 nm process. So AMD could release whichever segment first...

Do you know if there are plans for an IGP update from either AMD or Nvidia? I'd read about "Fusion" from AMD at one point, but hadn't heard much.
I would love a bitstreaming on-board option to compete with the intel i3/i5 variant.

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Fusion APU, with "Redwood" (HD 5500/5600) integrated, will be delayed by two months. (The original plan was revenue shipment in Q4 2010, official launch early in 2011.)

NVIDIA won't release a chipset any longer.

Intel Sandy Bridge is still expected in Q4 2010.

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An HD 5500 IGP with (software based) Hybrid CrossFireX with another HD5xxx would be great. Would allow full post processing and maybe the power for 3-D EyeFinity and I'm leaning on the belief that Fusion will allow full onboard Dolby TrueHD / DTS-MA bitstreaming (since Intel is doing that already). Onboard IGP with bitstreaming and proper 24Hz would make all the HTPC builders very pleased.

A 3-way Hybrid CrossFireX setup with these two cards (and the HD 5500 IGP) would be interesting to me.
http://www.sapphiretech.com/presenta...000101&pid=346 (to allow EyeFinity)
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http://www.sapphiretech.com/presenta...000101&pid=349 Why couldn't Sapphire put 1GB (GDDR5) on the EyeFinity version above like this one and just make the ultimate ATI HTPC card when a fanless heatsink is attached?
(would prefer this fanless heatsink on both though: http://www.sapphiretech.com/presenta...000101&pid=344 )

Hello Sapphire, are you listening? You have 4 HD 5500 cards that if you combined them you would have this card done! (take your 1GB GDDR5 at 4000MHz HDMI model, switch the VGA port with a DisplayPort to add EyeFinity like your DP model and switch the cooler to the Ultimate fanless heatsink model, OC the core to 650MHz like your OC version and bingo.) Maybe you could bump the GDDR5 to 2GB like this Club3D version?: http://www.club3d.nl/products/produc...product_id=324

Both cards overclocked to HD 5570 speed of 650MHz (graphics core) like this one: http://www.pro-clockers.com/videocar...n.html?start=2 (but keeping the GDDR memory at 4GHz).
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Excellent. I hope they come out with a GF104 based dual-GPU card. Then I can sell my GTX 295 and HDAV Slim.

Ditto , it's about damn time.

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OK, the first trial results with 460:

MPC-HC:

with Default Direct Sound Device:

THD,
DTSHD-MA, DTSHD-HR bitstreaming is OK.

with ReClock:

PCM streaming is OK without downsampling.


Corel WinDVD 10:

THD,
DTSHD-MA, DTSHD-HR bitstreaming is OK.

PCM streaming downsamples to 48/16 as usual.

No edid override issues with my Denon 1910.

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OK, the first trial results with 460:

MPC-HC:

with Default Direct Sound Device:

THD,
DTSHD-MA, DTSHD-HR bitstreaming is OK.

with ReClock:

PCM streaming is OK without downsampling.


Corel WinDVD 10:

THD,
DTSHD-MA, DTSHD-HR bitstreaming is OK.

PCM streaming downsamples to 48/16 as usual.

No edid override issues with my Denon 1910.

I have the eVGA 460GTX 1GB Superclocked arriving on tue/wed, so no go on the TMT or PowerDVD Bitstream?
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I have the eVGA 460GTX 1GB Superclocked arriving on tue/wed, so no go on the TMT or PowerDVD Bitstream?

That model has the external fan (blower). Will you let us know how loud it really is? Check and see if it looks like the fan can be change to an after market fan such as the Noctua or Scythe (much quieter).
I'm thinking the same card for myself.
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