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I heard there was software that can convert a movie from 24 FPS to 60 FPS
to get a smooth, clearer Image

Anyone know
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there's a thread called avisynth framedoubling. search for that. one of the replies links to a guide.


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Where exactly can not find?
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Converting 24p to 60p will not produce an image that is more clear or more smooth than the original.

First, clarity has nothing to do with frame rate.

Second, 24p to 60p introduces jitter, a phenomenon where frames that *should* move smoothly cease to do so (most noticable in smooth pans). This is because 24 does not evenly divide 60, so in converting 24 to 60, some frames are doubled, and others are tripled.

If you want better image quality, the adjustments should be made to your TV. If you are going from a standard def source to a high def TV, then you can also improve image quality (including clarity) with a good scaler (search the video processing forum).

If you want a smooth picture from a 24p source, you need a TV that will refresh at some multiple of 24 (sometimes that is 48Hz, other times it is 120Hz; the latter is divisible by both 24 and 30 (and 60), making it ideal for all sorts of viewing).
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HI

CyberLink PDVD Studio versio this playr for Movies
this player can Turn movies from 24/25/29 fps to 60/75 FPS! on line
and Clean fixer FPS
( the player not Sold to Private Clients )

Example :
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4167/70018273.png

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/8519/86572919.png

Where to get this player?
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I'm pretty sure there is no such thing as "Cyberlink PowerDVD Studio". That looks like PowerDVD 10 (which you can purchase from Cyberlink's website) with extra DirectShow filters playing an MKV rip. Notice the Haali and ffdshow tray icons at the bottom of the screenshots and the PowerDVD window is showing that it is "File Mode".
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Not sure why anyone would want to permanently burn pulldown into a file. Anything that makes up information is going to mess up playback.
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Where exactly can not find?

Poster named "Subjunk"


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I found a link to the software and it works excellent software

Call:
PDVD WITH TAZN filter. Rar

Put the file name in Search Files:
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How about purchasing it from http://www.cyberlink.com instead of pirating it. The TAZN filter is included with PowerDVD (Ultra version anyway). I suggest you edit your post before a moderator sees it.
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How about purchasing it from http://www.cyberlink.com instead of pirating it. I suggest you remove your post before a moderator sees it.


i Sorry no
this software Never sold to the public !
this software Never Gave to the public in the world
only to Number of participants for an impression.
This program has never been in the company website .
Even after a year I would turn the company customer service about this software

his software Was distributed free in my country and in "forum" in my country
for the customer's impression and than i customer turned with questions and problems to the manufacturer of this software :
http://www.cyberlink.com/products/po...iew_en_US.html

The TAZN filter is not included
As here
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Your link is bad. And if Cyberlink gave it to a limited number of people, I'm sure that it was not meant to be release to the general public, so it's still pirated. Cyberlink does allow free trials (posted everywhere) but they expire.

CyberlinkUSA can correct me if his company is ok with it being shared.
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Your link is bad

what bad ?
Someone forced you to use the software?
you Not even seen it at all
There is also a request that if you benefit from the option tazn write to Cyberlink

yes CyberlinkUSA can correct you
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what bad ?
Someone forced you to use the software?

No, "bad" as in I click it and it does not go to anywhere.

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yes CyberlinkUSA can correct you

I won't hold my breath waiting.

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The TAZN filter is not included

With PDVD 9 and 10. Here's a screenshot of it listed in GraphStudio ("Tzan" not TAZN):


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No, "bad" as in I click it and it does not go to anywhere.

click on what ? Do you even download the software ?

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I won't hold my breath waiting.

hold your breath

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With PDVD 9 and 10. Here's a screenshot of it listed in GraphStudio ("Tzan" not TAZN):

You're wrong all the time,
this Tzan FILTER here converts to 75 FPS
Tzan in 9 or 10 not doing anything

I'm sorry I can not be Bibi Sitter
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I hate bibi's . They burp alot.
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click on what ? Do you even download the software ?

The link you posted:
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for the customer's impression and than i customer turned with questions and problems to the manufacturer of this software :
http://www.cyberlink.com/products/po...iew_en_US.html

And no I didn't download the software. I own legal copies of PDVD and I will stick with them rather than use some random illegal copy from the web with no idea where it originated.

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You're wrong all the time,
this Tzan FILTER here converts to 75 FPS
Tzan in 9 or 10 not doing anything

No idea what it does. You said that it did not exist and I've shown that it does.

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I'm sorry I can not be Bibi Sitter

Lol. Welcome to ignore.
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I own legal copies of PDVD and I will stick with them rather than use some random illegal copy from the web
Again you are a bit rude
I do not work for you! or your slave !
I do not owe you anything!
you want to see the world's best software, great
look for the Software alone

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No idea what it does. You said that it did not exist and I've shown that it does.
If you run the software you see the difference and what can be done !
I brought pictures above show an increase of FPS
You do not bring anything !!!

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4167/70018273.png
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/8519/86572919.png
you can see the fps 70.44 fps and 47.7 fps
If PDVD 10 does it so bring photos
If you have these options bring picture you little girl

If your software pdvd 9/10 does not do it
poor creature" vladd" don't come back to my Threads !

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No idea what it does
As you said you have no idea what the software do !

girl again i am not your Bibi Sitter

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/790/98758280.png
look in this Picture why PDVD takes 500 MB?
Is your software takes 500 MB?
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Again you are a bit rude
I do not work for you! or your slave !
I do not owe you anything!
you want to see the world's best software, great
look for the Software alone



If you run the software you see the difference and what can be done !
I brought pictures above show an increase of FPS
You do not bring anything !!!

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4167/70018273.png
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/8519/86572919.png
you can see the fps 70.44 fps and 47.7 fps
If PDVD 10 does it so bring photos
If you have these options bring picture you little girl

If your software pdvd 9/10 does not do it
poor creature" vladd" don't come back to my Threads !


As you said you have no idea what the software do !

girl again i am not your Bibi Sitter

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/790/98758280.png
look in this Picture why PDVD takes 500 MB?
Is your software takes 500 MB?
If you don't want to look like a complete jerk, I would suggest not insulting people that were trying to help you. And, when you pirate software it's stealing from the developer, so you wouldn't like it if I came and stole your computer would you?
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trying to help you.
Help me on what ?

Read the nonsense written by you

pupsin=vladd

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when you pirate software it's stealing from the developer,
Again you lie I did not steal anything
you write I stole !
you have evidence ?

Watch out for a claim against you !
pupsin=vladd

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like it if I came and stole your computer would you?
You threaten to steal my computer?
This criminal
People pay money in court on such threats!
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Greetings vladd.

Do you know what the TAZN filter is supposed to do?

Here's a link to the [link removed] taken from doom9 if you would like to play with it.

Best regards.
From what I'm seeing, it's supposed to increase convert the FPS of movies to 60 or 75. I have no real interest in trying it. 75 FPS is worthless to me and you're most likely better off using standard on-the-fly pulldown conversion when necessary. As babgvant mentioned, burning that conversion into a file is not the best method. That and I'm not really interested in overwriting my legal copy of PowerDVD with an illegal one.

If anyone can prove to me it's not an illegal download, I'd be happy to try it but the fact that it can only be found on known warez sites has me more than suspicious.

As I previously mentioned, the filter is already available in legal PDVD versions (but named "Tzan" not "Tazn") but there seems to be no way to utilize it or to set the properties. It's possible that the original uploader, figured out how to do that, modified the binaries and repackaged it.
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This version of the Tzan filter was actually available to retail customers. I found a backup of my PowerDVD 8 Ultra (build 1531) and registered the filter. Sure enough, I was able to use it in GraphStudio and change the properties.

I still don't see it being much use though, all it did for me was increase judder. Granted, this was on a 1080p m2ts. It may work better on non HD sources like a DVD.

From the looks of it though, one of the options seems consistent with the TheaterMode options in PowerDVD, so it's possible that this filter is used for TheaterMode processing.
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http://www.downloadatoz.com/dvd-vide...erdvd-8-ultra/
http://www.filecrop.com/serial-Cyber...-8.0.1531.html
http://www.downtr.net/12866-cyberlin...531-final.html

1. What is your version of the 3 types?There are lots of online versions?
2. How many MB is considering software?
3 CPU What model exactly
4. Which cable you have exactly? Full Model
5. Screen a precise model
6. Operating system which model?

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I was able to use it in GraphStudio and change the properties.
How did you change GraphStudio for what?

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I still don't see it being much use though
Because you don't opening process filter TAZN
do you open protocol for filter tazn ? and how ?
you open the booklet to operate filter tazn ?

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this was on a 1080p m2ts
You are wrong again

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No connection

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so it's possible that this filter is used for TheaterMode processing.
No connection
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@mariner888: Why do you have to use this particular hacked PowerDVD 8 as if only this version supported conversion to 60/75 fps (apart from the possible reason that you [I mean generic "you"] may not own a retail copy of PowerDVD 8)? The retail PowerDVD 8's Tzan filter works too (I tried both), as vladd wrote.

Anyway the Tzan filter (from either the retail or hacked PowerDVD 8) works in any (?) DirectShow player without a major issue (judder-free or not is another subject). The splitter used is LAVFSplitter v0.11. CPU usage is high (~75% with Q6600). ReClock/EVR reports:

1080p24 MKV ripped from BD movies:
Convert Type ReClock EVR
Bypass 23.976 fps ~24 fps
30 fps 23.976 fps ~24 fps
60 fps 59.940 fps ~60 fps
75 fps 71.928 fps ~70 fps
("No video stream found" in the picture may be atypical.)

480i60(fields) MKV ripped from NTSC DVD movies:
Convert Type ReClock EVR
Bypass 23.976 fps ~24 fps
30 fps 23.976 fps ~24 fps
60 fps 59.940 fps ~60 fps
75 fps 75.000 fps ~70 fps
Here is a potential issue: you have to change "Convert Type" from "Bypass" to the fps you like *each time* you play a file (precisely speaking each time a filter graph is created) by opening the CyberLink Tzan Filter Properties (there is no registry value to keep the change). So this method would be practically useless for some (at least outside PowerDVD).

BTW the Tzan filter from PowerDVD 9/10 lacks the "Settings" tab in the Properties, so it is out of control outside PowerDVD.


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Why do you have to use this particular hacked PowerDVD 8 as if only this version supported conversion to 60/75 fps

Which version you have ?
Which cable you have exactly? Full Model ?
Q6600 Not a good CPU no for software


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apart from the possible reason that you may not own a legal copy of PowerDVD 8

Enough with the nonsense my software is legal !
You know my software? You know the model? Weight in mb ?

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1080p24 MKV ripped from BD movies:

The software no converts " mkv " to 60 or 75 fps ( what the Code )
sorry you don't have Working model
You do not have the booklet to run "tazn filter "
sorry you don't have Working model for "tazn filter "

This means that your software is not illegal for tazn filter

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BTW the Tzan filter from PowerDVD 9/10 lacks the "Settings" tab in the Properties, so it is out of control.

Like I said before "tazn filter " does not work on PDVD 9 or 10
Was an attempt by the company's engineers to provide a weak version in pdvd 9
It was a shame and failure that pdvd did not do anything with "tazn "
It was intended for weak computers
Therefore not published PDVD 9 this option ( tazn )!
Look at your Manual not a word on TAZN why?
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it does seem that the Dunning-Kruger level is high on this one.

Yup, everybody is confirming this again.

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Example :
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4167/70018273.png

Tzan failed to convert to 60 fps in this example??


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OK, after watching several MKVs in a 60Hz display, I can see the effect of Tzan (overall much smoother motion). Thanks for reminding us of another option, deepdeep1.
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Example :
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Tzan failed to convert to 60 fps in this example??

with version TAZN works and analyzes depth
YOU need video card Strong
with 6870 hd you can get 60 FPS It takes a 60-120 second to to get 60 fps
( You have to remember this movie over 10MBPS+ )

FRAME SCALE X4 - It takes more strength from cpu
Requires a very strong video card in sli or CrossFireX
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OK, after watching several MKVs in a 60Hz display, I can see the effect of Tzan (overall much smoother motion). Thanks for reminding us of another option, deepdeep1.

Like I said before "tazn filter " does not work on PDVD 9 or 10
Was an attempt by the company's engineers to provide a weak version in pdvd 9
It was a shame and failure that pdvd did not do anything with "tazn "
It was intended for weak computers
Therefore not published PDVD 9 this option ( tazn )!
Look at your Manual not a word on TAZN why?

Why do not you answer the questions?
This is for you that you can better understand the operation!

1. What is your version of the 3 types?
2. How many MB is considering software?
3 CPU What model exactly
4. Which cable you have exactly? Full Model
5. Screen a precise model
6. Operating system which model?

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Thanks for reminding us of another option

if you have the Real software this is the only way to see a movie !
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with version TAZN works and analyzes depth
YOU need video card Strong
with 6870 hd you can get 60 FPS It takes a 60-120 second to to get 60 fps
( You have to remember this movie over 10MBPS+ )

FRAME SCALE X4 - It takes more strength from cpu
Requires a very strong video card in sli or CrossFireX

Good point. I checked GPU Activity in CCC. CPU is Q6600, GPU is HD 5570. MPC HomeCinema.

Tzan CPU GPU
Bypass 30% 0%
60 fps 80-90% 25%

Scaling is x1. A better CPU is definitely a plus. ATI Stream/AMD APP can be used more effectively.

I wish there were a simple way to turn on Convert 60fps in MPC HomeCinema.
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