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Your link for MS Security Essentials didn't work for me- but this one did.
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/secur...s/default.aspx
Great guide.

I will add the new link. Thanks for the head up!

BTW I didn't forget about offering a printed version of the guide. I am building a few inaugural Assassin HTPCs this weekend but will get to it.
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Here's my built!

Since I'm the first to buy this case on this forum(I didn't see anyone else talking about it at least) Assassins ask me to take lots of pictures... So here comes a lonnng post (image all have been resized to 640x480 to reduce loading time).

Parts:
Case: In Win BP671 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16811108396
CPU: i3 2100
Motherboard: ASRock H67M-ITX (I didn't take the special package with the remote control and I chose the version without WiFi because I hate WiFi! )
HDD: Crucial RealSSD C300
RAM: G.SKILL 2 x 2GB DDR3 1333MHz (PC3-10666)
Blu-Ray drive: LITE-ON ihes108-29

The case has place for 2x 3.5'' HDD, 1x 5.25'' optical disc drive, includes a 200W PSU and a 80mm fan.

The good:
- Design.
- Well built, you do not have to force anything to get holes to line up.
- PSU not over the CPU like in most m-ITX cases.
- Everything screws in solid, nothing loose. The metal that the case is made of is a not as strong as what I'm used to, but it's still plenty solid when all together. For the price it's really well made.

The less good:
- Cable management isn't great, but it isn't in most of m-ITX cases since they are so freakishly small.
- The front door to access the 5.25'' drive and USB port doesn't open smoothly. It can be open easily without any kind of force but it won't go down by itself after pushing the "push here" button.

IMPORTANT TO KNOW: BUY NORMAL RAM (see pictures near the end). The RAM is under the end of the 5.25'' drive so if you choose RAM with an heatsink the 5.25'' drive will NOT fit.

For those already bored, final though: the case is good...

For those interested, here comes the good ol'HTPC porn!

All the parts:


The case comes well protected:


Size comparison to help you know how small (or big, depending what you're used to) it is.
For those of you who know how to have fun:


For those of you that doesn't:



Compared to my other two computer:
The mammoth is a Lian-Li PC-V2000B. It's my main rig, I looove this case! For those who often build computers space is a luxury, and this one is a Bentley!
The normal size case is an Antec Three Hundred.


I'm pretty sure I can make Russian dolls with them!

In Win supplies with the case the power cord, rubber feet (not cheap plastic, those really grips on surface), screws (more than enough to loose some) and the bracket(feet) to safely hold the case in vertical position (won't be using it myself).


Case open:


Front cover removed:

As you can see the "white slot" is actually for the power(white) and HDD(yellow) LEDs. I'll probably remove them or change the color someday...

On this pictures there's my 2.5'' SSD where the drives connections are. As you can see there's lots of space to connect the drives without the cable being forced by the cover when closed.


The power supply spec:


... and the connectors:

3x sata, 1x IDE, 20+4 power connector and the 4 pin CPU connector. No 3.5V connector and that's the way it should be (death to Floppy!).

The fan (I haven't turned it on yet, I'll edit about it's noise when I do):



It's held in place by a plastic bracket, at first I though it was cheaper because it wasn't screwed in the casing. But I realized after why it was made like that. When the case is placed vertically the screws would be ugly and also the plastic bracket might act as a noise cancelling (less vibration to the metal).

As you can see the plastic bracket is REALLY close to the USB and audio connector. But it doesn't force the connectors so it's fine

There's space between the side of the case and the fan so you can put in a dust filter, there's also space between the bracket and the fan to put one it too.


Bracket removed:



The fan comes placed to pull air out of the case (for vertical installation). Since I'll use it horizontally I switch it to push air in. Air will come from the front of the tv cabinet (air is cooler there) and will be exhaust at the top.

The case connectors come well identified:


The motherboard, man it's tiny... Never built anything smaller than ATX, so building this was really strange for me!

(again with a good and tasty size comparison!)

With the motherboard installed:

Like I said cable management isn't great if you want to keep a good air flow, but I've seen worst in bigger case.

The back panel:

At the top of the back panel there is some pre-made cutout to add 2 USB, 1 Firewire and 1 e-Sata brackets. These are small details, but they are rare on cheap case, so I'm really happy to see them in this one.

The HDD/ODD bracket can be removed:


The case with the bracket removed:


I had forgotten that my 2.5'' needed to fit in a 3.5'' bracket. So I didn't ordered an adapter. So here's the "ghetto install" of this post:

The drive is held in place by two screws on one side and it supported by a piece of (forgot the name of it, but it's a plate of highly compress saw dust/cardboard) with ty-rap! Not great, but it does the job perfectly fine!

With everything in place:

Sadly I didn't have an extension for the sata power connection (otherwise it would have gone underneath the HDD bracket like other wires. I ty-rap them to it, so it won't touch the fan.

This is why I was warning people about the RAM height:

Any normal RAM will do, just don't get fancy RAM with heatsink.

The cable "management":

The audio wire is going underneath the HDD Bracket, the rest is tuck against the PSU.Air flow shouldn't be a problem. The PSU's fan as lots of wire in front of it, but the air can still pass easily (I guess about 10-20% flow restriction, so no big worry there).

Closed and done:



Overall good case, cable management isn't ideal, but considering the form factor it's normal.

I won't be starting it for a couple of days. I have other computers waiting to be fixed for friends and family. So when I'll start it, I'll edit about the fans noises.

I hope you have enough pictures Assassin
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anyone interested in an ASUS P7H55-M PRO LGA 1156 Intel H55 HDMI Micro ATX Intel Motherboard for $60 shipped? one bad sata port, so that means it still has 5.
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anyone interested

Whats wrong with the sata port?

fyi you may get warned for this.
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upon setting the HDD cage in i didn't see a fan wire get hung up and it pulled the plastic clip surrounding off. even when getting the clip back on the sata port was still DOA and was causing odd crashes here and there. so i removed the clip (leaving the prongs open to air) and all is well. i just need the extra sata port now and would like to just buy a new mobo (same one) and offload this one to someone who wants it and doesn't need 6 ports. or can i add a port multiplier to this mobo?
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Here's my built!

Since I'm the first to buy this case on this forum(I didn't see anyone else talking about it at least) Assassins ask me to take lots of pictures... So here comes a lonnng post (image all have been resized to 640x480 to reduce loading time).

Parts:
Case: In Win BP671 http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product...82E16811108396
CPU: i3 2100
Motherboard: ASRock H67M-ITX (I didn't take the special package with the remote control and I chose the version without WiFi because I hate WiFi! )
HDD: Crucial RealSSD C300
RAM: G.SKILL 2 x 2GB DDR3 1333MHz (PC3-10666)
Blu-Ray drive: LITE-ON ihes108-29

The case has place for 2x 3.5'' HDD, 1x 5.25'' optical disc drive, includes a 200W PSU and a 80mm fan.

The good:
- Design.
- Well built, you do not have to force anything to get holes to line up.
- PSU not over the CPU like in most m-ITX cases.
- Everything screws in solid, nothing loose. The metal that the case is made of is a not as strong as what I'm used to, but it's still plenty solid when all together. For the price it's really well made.

The less good:
- Cable management isn't great, but it isn't in most of m-ITX cases since they are so freakishly small.
- The front door to access the 5.25'' drive and USB port doesn't open smoothly. It can be open easily without any kind of force but it won't go down by itself after pushing the "push here" button.

IMPORTANT TO KNOW: BUY NORMAL RAM (see pictures near the end). The RAM is under the end of the 5.25'' drive so if you choose RAM with an heatsink the 5.25'' drive will NOT fit.

For those already bored, final though: the case is good...

For those interested, here comes the good ol'HTPC porn!

[snip.....]

Overall good case, cable management isn't ideal, but considering the form factor it's normal.

I won't be starting it for a couple of days. I have other computers waiting to be fixed for friends and family. So when I'll start it, I'll edit about the fans noises.

I hope you have enough pictures Assassin


This is a very nice build, thanks for the pics! Look forward to seeing more and how well your new system is running. I will be building my new system in a few weeks as soon as I get all the parts together, though mine will be a micro-ATX build. I may see about taking pics of my build too or better yet, do a video on the build.
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upon setting the HDD cage in i didn't see a fan wire get hung up and it pulled the plastic clip surrounding off. even when getting the clip back on the sata port was still DOA and was causing odd crashes here and there. so i removed the clip (leaving the prongs open to air) and all is well. i just need the extra sata port now and would like to just buy a new mobo (same one) and offload this one to someone who wants it and doesn't need 6 ports. or can i add a port multiplier to this mobo?

You can always get an add-in SATA card with the extra ports if you need them. No need to spend more money on a new board if you don't have to.
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so something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-072-_-Product

Yup that would be ideal...it has 2 ports on it so that would give you a total of 7 with the remaining 5 that's working on your MB. Alot better than spending near $100 for a new mb.
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assassin , how did you get that background theme to show up on the mediabrowser home page
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update on my ASRock H61M/U3S3...after weeks of troubleshooting the weird video jerkiness over HDMI with no success, the onboard LAN stopped working today after a reboot. It's going back to newegg and I'm going with a different brand. Thumbs down on this board.
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update on my ASRock H61M/U3S3...after weeks of troubleshooting the weird video jerkiness over HDMI with no success, the onboard LAN stopped working today after a reboot. It's going back to newegg and I'm going with a different brand. Thumbs down on this board.

I believe it might be just a bad luck. You got the lemon... ASRock have really good hardware usually.
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Sorry I have been MIA today. Had a few new HTPCs to build.

Just wanted to give you guys a sneak peek at our first line...

Assassin HTPC next to a 32" Samsung HDTV


Assassin HTPC Idle Wattage


Assassin HTPC playing Avatar 1080p


More to come...

Edit: Added a soft drink can for some scale perspective
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what are the specs on that one, assassin?
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what are the specs on that one, assassin?

Sandy Bridge i3 2100t
Mini-ITX Motherboard and Case with PSU
4GB RAM
2TB Hard Drive
40GB SSD
Bluray drive
Windows 7 64 bit OS
Bios optimized
Completely configured for HTPC
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Sandy Bridge i3 2100t
Mini-ITX Motherboard and Case with PSU
4GB RAM
2TB Hard Drive
40GB SSD
Bluray drive
Windows 7 64 bit OS
Bios optimized
Completely configured for HTPC

What kind of tag are you asking on something like that?

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What kind of tag are you asking on something like that?

Shipping not included:
$900 with software (including Win7) fully installed and htpc software configured (many hours of work on our part done for you)
$800 with Windows 7 and hardware drivers installed
$650 for just the build (No OS or software)
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Just ran windows update and a intel gfx update was suggested. Running the update resulted in a BSOD. Anyone else see this? Gigabyte I3-2100 build with HDMI output only.

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Just ran windows update and a intel gfx update was suggested. Running the update resulted in a BSOD. Anyone else see this? Gigabyte I3-2100 build with HDMI output only.

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I installed the 5/06/11 intel drivers today with no issues.
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What output are you running?

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What output are you running?

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HDMI with bitstreaming
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What do you mean by bitstreaming?

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Where do you get the 'Kill-A-Watt' meter? I may find that useful for seeing what my forthcoming htpc build will amount to. Just waiting to get my parts in.
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What do you mean by bitstreaming?

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Bitstream means that the audio information as well as video is passed through the HDMI cable to the TV (or AVR if connected which will usually determine what the audio signal is).
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Where do you get the 'Kill-A-Watt' meter? I may find that useful for seeing what my forthcoming htpc build will amount to. Just waiting to get my parts in.

$29 at Lowes. I think newegg has them for $20.
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Nice case AVTechMan.
My case is prettymuch the same except for the front panel. I did upgrade the casefan to a quieter one. Oh, and the front panel leds were way too distracting so I found some heavy card stock like index cards and cut two small squares which I used some scotch tape to hold them over the leds. This made them much dimmer without any electrical modifications. You have yourself a nice build overall there.
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Then I'm bitstreaming. I wonder if having scale set to 50% is havingan effect?

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Nice case AVTechMan.
My case is prettymuch the same except for the front panel. I did upgrade the casefan to a quieter one. Oh, and the front panel leds were way too distracting so I found some heavy card stock like index cards and cut two small squares which I used some scotch tape to hold them over the leds. This made them much dimmer without any electrical modifications. You have yourself a nice build overall there.

Actually that system isn't mine lol....sorry for the confusion. I am building a micro-ATX system (the one assassin built is a mini-ITX system). I ordered my parts last week so they will be arriving soon. However, I am going to use a media server along with my HTPC once I have it built and running so lots to do and work with. Looking forward to it!
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Just ran windows update and a intel gfx update was suggested. Running the update resulted in a BSOD. Anyone else see this? Gigabyte I3-2100 build with HDMI output only.

There's a lot of people who are getting BSOD or flickering/black screen with many of the Intel HD drivers.
http://communities.intel.com/thread/...art=0&tstart=0
I havent found any stable driver yet on my new setup (gigabyte GA-H67N-USB3-B3/i3-2100).
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Just ran windows update and a intel gfx update was suggested. Running the update resulted in a BSOD. Anyone else see this? Gigabyte I3-2100 build with HDMI output only.

Jim

Here is a tip: NEVER do a graphics driver update based on Windows update.

Always get the latest from the manufacturer. For the on board Intel graphics just go to the Intel HD graphics options and on one of the tabs is a link directly to the driver update page.

Be sure to go to the page in IE as it runs an auto detect script that won't work in other browsers. But this page will then tell you if there is a new graphic driver available as well as other key system board drivers.

On my Asus P7H55 I update the graphics driver this way about every 3 months and have never had an issue. My last update was in March so it's coming due for me to do it again.

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