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Regarding this new DRM system in SNB, in meeting with Intel at CES and learning about the feature, I only see it as a good thing. Content owners don't consider the PC as a "safe" platform. This is clearly evidenced by seeing how premium HD content is present on STBs (e.g. VUDU HDX on BoxeeBox but SD only on PC via Boxee; Amazon HD content on connected TVs and STBs not PC, etc.). If this new scheme allows the PC to become a trusted platform, that benefits us all.

One example Intel showed was CinemaNow has begun using the PC as a trusted platform for premium content using SNB.

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One example Intel showed was CinemaNow has begun using the PC as a trusted platform for premium content using SNB.


I hope this DRM could bring soft sled to PC.
BTW, where to purchase core i5 2500T 45W version?
Is it only for OEM?

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BTW, where to purchase core i5 2500T 45W version?
Is it only for OEM?

The 4 core 45/65W and 2 core 35W parts won't be available until February.
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The 4 core 45/65W and 2 core 35W parts won't be available until February.

Will the 35W processors offer the same features as the higher power ones (specifically HDMI 1.4/3D capability)? What are you giving up with the lower power versions? Thanks.
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Will the 35W processors offer the same features as the higher power ones (specifically HDMI 1.4/3D capability)?

Yes, they should perform identically to the other chips when it comes to media playback. I am trying to get a 35W i3 in for testing to validate.

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What are you giving up with the lower power versions?

Just GHz that shouldn't matter in most HTPC scenarios.
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The 4 core 45/65W and 2 core 35W parts won't be available until February.

I just read an article where they were suggesting 3D isn't really going to be widely excepted for around 10 years. I guess when it comes to 3D people don't want to wear the glasses and aren't very excited about it. For the few movies that come out I might just go to the theater.
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I'm not against copying for personal use or for making backups of content that people legitimately own. I also don't believe that DRM is implemented specifically to prevent that sort of personal use. DRM, however faulty the implementation, is intended to reduce thievery and unlawful distribution. It's a response to those that take advantange of the ease of digital reproduction for reasons beyond their own personal use. Yet the blame always seems to go to the companies who put that protection in place instead of where it righfully belongs - the thieves that initiated that response in the first place.

Blaming the big, bad media companies for DRM seems to be a popular meme on the internet, similar to Microsoft bashing. imo, it's misplaced blame. I dislike DRM as much as the next guy but I'm not going to blame the media companies for its implementation, I'm going to blame the source of the problem. If it weren't for thieves DRM would not be necessary.

And no, I have never copied a rented or borrowed VHS, CD, DVD, or BD. The only copies I have are of CDs, DVDs, and BDs that I own.

It seems to me its one hundred percent ethical to rent a batch of movies and rip them to your hard drive. Watch them when you feel like it and then delete them. No harm no foul, the industry tries to block this behavior out of fear we will put them on the internet of sell them on the street. There fear is their problem. I do this all the time with tv and movie content because I'm an over the road truck driver.
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I just read an article where they were suggesting 3D isn't really going to be widely excepted for around 10 years. I guess when it comes to 3D people don't want to wear the glasses and aren't very excited about it. For the few movies that come out I might just go to the theater.

Where was that article? I would like to read it.
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Just read pretty much anything related to 3D in a tech blog and you'll have hoardes of people (probably the majority) commenting on how they hate it and the glasses make them dizzy or something. It also happens here btw. I happen to like it, but not two-thousand-dollars like it, especially when true 3D movies are few and far between. I don't care one bit for fake 3D.

The 10 years thing can't be anything other than speculation of course.
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Just read pretty much anything related to 3D in a tech blog and you'll have hoardes of people (probably the majority) commenting on how they hate it and the glasses make them dizzy or something. It also happens here btw. I happen to like it, but not two-thousand-dollars like it, especially when true 3D movies are few and far between. I don't care one bit for fake 3D.

The 10 years thing can't be anything other than speculation of course.

Home theater has gotten so good these days that I watch almost everything at home, but there are still some movies that are best enjoyed at the theater. Movies like Avatar and Tron which are mostly just visual experiences, not really story driven, just have to be seen at the theater. Once we all have 100", 4K, 3d screens at home with sound proof theater rooms, I guess that might change.
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I just read an article where they were suggesting 3D isn't really going to be widely excepted for around 10 years. I guess when it comes to 3D people don't want to wear the glasses and aren't very excited about it. For the few movies that come out I might just go to the theater.

Personally, I love the added depth and think 3D is a natural next step in the home theater. Simply put, 3D makes compelling content better. When used properly it enhances the viewing experience by creating a more immersive and realistic environment, much like surround sound. But like multi-channel audio, I'm not convinced that the ROI will ever be there for casual consumers who aren't concerned with getting a better experience.

Compelling content is the biggest problem however. Many 3D movies (at least so far) use it as a substitute for quality, and with the better titles getting locked up in OEM exclusive deals it's easy to why many consumers are waiting. On the other hand, if you like sports there is a decent amount of football and basketball available in 3D; with more to come.
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My biggest issue with the technology itself right now (disregarding cost and lack of content), is that there's no universal standard. I'm not buying a Panasonic TV if I can only use Panasonic glasses. I don't have much problems with wearing glasses though, just that I want consistency and the assurance that what I buy will last for a while.
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It would be nice to see an actual Sandy Bridge HTPC build listed here one day.
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I'm building a Sandy Bridge machine for my TV this weekend! Although, it's primarily a mid-range game machine (mid tower) so I don't know if it's in the spirit of this thread or not. But if anyone is interested, I could post the build.
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It would be nice to see an actual Sandy Bridge HTPC build listed here one day.

I hope to have mine up and running this weekend.

Middle of the road build around an I5-2500 and Gigabyte H67A-UD3H MOBO.
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It would be nice to see an actual Sandy Bridge HTPC build listed here one day.

I am building two sandy bridge systems. One htpc + nas and one gaming system. The htpc is using core i5-2500k. Yes you read that right. I got in on the deal from microcenter for $179 for the cpu so I got two of them. For htpc will pair with msi H67 ED55 (has the lowest power draw). For gaming will pair with p67 to use the unlocked cpu ratio multiplier. As it relates to idle power draw the core i5-2500k will still use the same low power as those misleading lower tdp in the second gen snb.

My order at newegg got cancelled for the $156 asrock p67 board due to a billing issue and now it is sold out. Not sure if I'll get another deal on the p67 so I have the cpu sitting idle. Yes makes me mad!
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Home theater has gotten so good these days that I watch almost everything at home, but there are still some movies that are best enjoyed at the theater. Movies like Avatar and Tron which are mostly just visual experiences, not really story driven, just have to be seen at the theater. Once we all have 100", 4K, 3d screens at home with sound proof theater rooms, I guess that might change.

Agreed. Watched both Avatar and Tron at 3D Imax.
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ASUS P8P67 WS Revolution (nForce 200 + P67) is available ($282)!

- 4 x PCIe 2.0 x8, 3 x PCIe 2.0 x1
- dual Gb LAN (both Intel)
- 4 SATA II + 4 SATA III
- USB 3.0 x 2 in rear (NEC; I wish internal ones too.)
- IEEE 1394 (VT6315N PCIe)


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For htpc will pair with msi H67 ED55 (has the lowest power draw).

But that has two 16x PCI-E slots, and doesn't support SLI or Crossfire to boot. Why would anyone want 2 16x PCI-E slots for a HTPC?

I've waited a very very long time for the perfect HTPC and Sandy Bridge seems close but I haven't seen one person talking about using it PURELY as a HTPC. The pc world is obsessed with games. I've already got something for games but now want something else - purely for movies, downloads and transcoding movies to a PS3.

So I want LOW power usage. Low, low, low. No graphics card ever, let alone two. So far as I can tell I'll only need about a 200W power supply but these don't seem to exist.

Also it must be quiet, ideally the cpu would be passively cooled. And small would be great too.

These don't seem unusual needs but so far I haven't seen any build close to meeting them.
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I've waited a very very long time for the perfect HTPC and Sandy Bridge seems close but I haven't seen one person talking about using it PURELY as a HTPC.

Close, but yet still far away... The 24p problems are unforgivable...
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H67MA-ED55's second PCIe x16 slot works only at x1. Then perhaps H67MA-E45 is enough and $30 cheaper (unless you want fancy heatsink).

There is no review yet that proves H67MA-ED55 is of the lowest power among the major H67 microATX mb? (usually MSI mb are very good in this point of course).
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Close, but yet still far away... The 24p problems are unforgivable...

I thought so too initially but as per page 1 of this thread you can easily fix it to get one dropped frame every 4 minutes so I can live with that.
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I'm wondering why there aren't more P67 mATX boards. I can only see Asus from the major manufacturers, but with a mATX board I wanna choose one with the right integrated audio (with Dolby Headphone). Gigabyte offers it in many of its boards, but I've never seen them put an "enthusiast" chipset in a mATX board.
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Shortage of good P67 microATX mb and H67 ATX mb is right now an issue (for me). GIGABYTE will release a P67 Mini-ITX mb, good for a SFF gaming machine.

Have you checked ASUS P8P67-M PRO P67 chipset microATX mb? It supports dual PCIe 2.0 x8 (CrossFireX and SLI; the only LGA1155 microATX mb supporting SLI), aiming at enthusiasts. Its audio chip (ALC892) supports DTS Surround Sensation (creates surround sound effects from stereo speakers and a headphone).
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Yeah, that's the one I was talking about. I've tried DTS SS Headphone with TMT, and it's as good as Dolby's for me, but I don't know much about its implementation on integrated audio. When you have "Dolby Home Theater" you can expect a consistent feature set, and I already know how it works (for instance, applying DPLIIx independently from DH, but still being able to combine it). From the scarce info I could gather by googling about DTS's implementation, the only thing barely stated was that DTS SS headphone would upconvert stereo to surround and then virtualize it. Dolby Headphone specifically keeps those features separated, so when you have stereo sound, you have the choice of virtualizing only two speakers in front of you like a normal stereo system.
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I thought this H67 mATX board looked interesting.
http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Pro...ID=103&LanID=9
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Back in the day when I started building computers, I learned the hard way not to go with the cheapest of whatever's on the Fry's "specials" ads. Has ECS gotten any better from what it was 6-7 years ago?
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H67MA-ED55's second PCIe x16 slot works only at x1. Then perhaps H67MA-E45 is enough and $30 cheaper (unless you want fancy heatsink).

There is no review yet that proves H67MA-ED55 is of the lowest power among the major H67 microATX mb? (usually MSI mb are very good in this point of course).

http://translate.google.com/translat...view-conclusie
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I thought this H67 mATX board looked interesting.
http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Pro...ID=103&LanID=9

How? Dual Gb LAN?
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Thanks for the information!

14W difference at load means I could save $14 per year if I re-encode video (by x264, of course) 24/7.
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