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Do we know if these new Pentiums have the same audio/video features? Specifically, HDMI 1.4 and bitstreaming (DTS-HD, etc.) support?
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Do we know if these new Pentiums have the same audio/video features? Specifically, HDMI 1.4 and bitstreaming (DTS-HD, etc.) support?
I haven't been able to find this specifically mentioned anywhere yet.
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As far as the 3d aspect of hdmi 1.4 I believe that is a no go.
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As far as the 3d aspect of hdmi 1.4 I believe that is a no go.
Confirmed. 3D is definitely not available or supported.
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Who confirmed? MVC decode acceleration and outputting HDMI 1.4a 3D video (i.e. Frame packing) are different.
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Who confirmed? MVC decode acceleration and outputting HDMI 1.4a 3D video (i.e. Frame packing) are different.
I meant the 3D support.
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Oh I thought I saw a slide comparing them. But just looked back a few pages and the only thing I saw was someones opinion. Maybe I'm crazy
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Here is a post I made a few days ago with some of the differences that are known at this time...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=4802

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The new SB Pentium chips will have the almost the same GPU as the 2100 with a few differences:
  • 6 GPU EU unit (same as 2100)
  • 850/1100MHz (same as 2100)
  • No high speed video synchronization compared to 2100
  • No 3D compared to 2100
  • Supports Clear Video HD Technology
  • Uknown about bitstreaming HD audio but I assume this will be the same as it is roughly the same GPU



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according to Fudzilla.

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Intel slows down

We told you quite a lot of details about Intel's 22nm Ivy Bridge CPU and its platform, but now we got a good indication that the launch is scheduled for the March to April 2012 timeframe.

Intel has talked to its partners and revealed that Ivy Bridge launch is slated for Q2 2012, not Q1 as they traditionally did in the past. This means that in the last few years Intel has slowed down its new generation tick - tock strategy by two quarters, or half a year.

Launching a new processor in very early Q1 actually made a lot of sense as a lot of people would end up buying a new PC early in the years begiing and not at Q4 when traditionally customers get a lot of electronic gadgets for their homes.

Both desktop and mobile Ivy Bridge are scheduled to launch in March or April and until then, you will have to satisfy your Intel notebook and desktop needs by Sandy Bridge. Interestingly enough, most affordable notebooks still come with Arrandale 32nm previous generation processors as Intel let them coexist with better Sandy Bridge 32nm siblings.

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So the big question for me in regards to the Sandy Bridge Pentium is what is the difference between "HD 2000 Graphics" and the new "HD graphics" as it relates to bitstreaming.

Can't wait till renethx or someone else who uses one (or a reviewer somewhere else) chimes in.
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The g620 is up for sale on newegg - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116399

for $78.

No g620t though.
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Odd, I can't find any place in the U.S. that shows the new i5 2405S in stock but I've found a few places in Europe showing it "in stock". Any news?
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The g620 is up for sale on newegg - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116399

for $78.

And their description says "Intel HD Graphics 2000" - incorrectly I think.
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That's quite a bit higher price than Intel's document indicated. The intel doc was showing $64 for the 620. I don't know that I want to spend $80 for a slower processor when the 2100 is on sale at Microcenter for $99.
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That's quite a bit higher price than Intel's document indicated. The intel doc was showing $64 for the 620. I don't know that I want to spend $80 for a slower processor when the 2100 is on sale at Microcenter for $99.

Well, the $64 is Intel 1Ku pricing (1,000 Tray Units). Retail pricing can be higher or lower but it's usually higher. If you've got a MicroCenter nearby, though, the i3-2100 for $100 is an excellent deal.
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That's quite a bit higher price than Intel's document indicated. The intel doc was showing $64 for the 620. I don't know that I want to spend $80 for a slower processor when the 2100 is on sale at Microcenter for $99.

I'm curious what the street price is on the i3-2105 too, but I have not seen it listed anywhere yet.

I expect I too will be off to Micro Center for the $99 2100. The price difference compared to the Pentiums just doesn't look worthwhile.

Although with my luck, Micro Center will have the 2105 for $99 and the G840 for $69 or the like in their June sale flyer.
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Usually you would expect to be able to find more when Intel releases new CPU's, but this is the only thing I could find:
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2011/2...Core_CPUs.html
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Usually you would expect to be able to find more when Intel releases new CPU's, but this is the only thing I could find:
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2011/2...Core_CPUs.html

Yeah, Intel's marketing communications department seems to have dropped the ball on the new SB Pentiums.

As of 8PM EST, there are only two search results for G8620 via Intel's search engine.
And one of the results contradicts what other people claim about the base GPU speed: 650 (Intel) vs 850 MHz (NewEgg et al.).
Amusingly, the other search result (Intel CPU vs. Intel MB compatibility tool) produces "Found 0 Compatible Board(s) for Processor "G620" "

Maybe Intel rushed the release to steal a little of AMD's thunder with the upcoming Llano introductions.

I'm sure that NE's price for the G620 will drop as more of the other vendors start stocking them.
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Maybe Intel rushed the release to steal a little of AMD's thunder with the upcoming Llano introductions.

I'm sure that NE's price for the G620 will drop as more of the other vendors start stocking them.

It's been scheduled for a May 22 release since February. I really don't think they released it just to steal Llano's thunder. As for the lack of information on Intel's website, the same was true for the Core i3 when it was released.
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It's been scheduled for a May 22 release since February. I really don't think they released it just to steal Llano's thunder. As for the lack of information on Intel's website, the same was true for the Core i3 when it was released.

Information was available all over the internet when the i3 was released (reviews, prices and availability, etc), there is basically nothing released yesterday for the new CPU's.
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Summary

IGP of Pentium SNB Processor is called Intel HD Graphics. This is identical with Intel HD Graphics 2000 of Core i3/i5/i7 except for the three points mentioned below. In particular, it supports:

- HD audio bitstreaming
- AVC, VC-1, MPEG-2 and MVC (BR 3D codec) full hardware decode acceleration
- Almost all video post-processing tasks of Intel Clear Video Technology (see below what are missing)

However it does not support:

- HDMI 1.4a 3D video format (Frame Packing)
- Quick Sync
- A couple of Intel Clear Video Technology features: "Total Color Correction", "Skin Tone Correction", "Adaptive Contrast Enhancement".

If you don't mind these features, Pentium SNB processors, in particular G840 and G620, are highly recommended. Personally I don't see a reason to choose Core i3 over Pentium for pure 2D video playback.

As for stereoscopic 3D, it supports Side by Side, Top and Bottom, Checkerboard, and Interleaved 3D formats via CyberLink PowerDVD and ArcSoft TotalMedia Theatre. So if your 3D display does not support Frame Packing, Pentium SNB is a good choice. However 2D-3D conversion require some CPU power and perhaps you will be more comfortable with Core i3.

Test Configuration and Results

Pentium G840 2.8GHz + ASRock H61M/U3S3 + DDR3-1333 2 x 2GB.

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TrueHD/DTS-HD MA/DD+/DTS-HD HRA bistreaming: All supported (under PowerDVD 10/11, TMT 3/5, ffdshow Audio Decoder [no DD+], LAV Audio Decoder).

AVC, VC-1, MPEG-2 hardware decode acceleration: All supported. If you don't use DXVA, the processor is still fast enough (25-45% CPU usage).

1080p60 AVC Video Playback: Just perfect. Basketball clip with LAV Splitter + Microsoft DTV/DVD Video Decoder + EVR Custom Presenter:

- Drawn: 4941 frames
- Dropped: 2 frames (occurred only at start up)

HD Deinterlacing: Better than AMD's Motion Adaptive. The lines in the orange tubnails of the ticker are jaggy in Cheese Slices with Microsoft DTV-DVD Video Decoder + EVR CP:

Other Intel Clear Video Technology features: See yourself (all sliders are perfectly functional; what else should I check?):

BR 3D (MVC decode acceleration) under PowerDVD 11: Supported (CPU usage is ~20% when HA is on, ~80% when HA is off).

HDMI 1.4a 3D video format (i.e. Frame Packing): Not supported. All the other 3D video formats (except for 720p 120Hz alternate frame sequencing format) are supported fine.

2D -> 3D conversion under PowerDVD 11: No problem:

The performance of Pentium SNB is better than Core 2 Duo, CPU usage of E8400 3.0GHz in this task is ~80%!

How about G620 2.6GHz? Take a look at the post 2D to 3D conversion by G620. If you are interested in this task, perhaps you will be more comfortable with G840 or higher. Personally I would choose Core i3-2100 for 2D-3D conversion.
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Wow! Great info Renethx!

If only I could find a G620T to purchase
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Information was available all over the internet when the i3 was released (reviews, prices and availability, etc), there is basically nothing released yesterday for the new CPU's.

All over the internet, yes. Not so much on Intel's own website. Product pages for the i3 was only fleshed out around a week or so after release. In general, budget chips such as the Pentium and Celeron don't really get much news coverage.
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All over the internet, yes. Not so much on Intel's own website. Product pages for the i3 was only fleshed out around a week or so after release. In general, budget chips such as the Pentium and Celeron don't really get much news coverage.

Probably counter productive for them as they want the attention to remain on their higher priced chips. No reason to spend valuable marketing attention/resources on your lower yielding products.
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FYI, Costcentral.com has the whole line of new pentium chips in stock and available (actually cheaper than newegg). Just ordered a G620t!
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I'm curious what the street price is on the i3-2105 too, but I have not seen it listed anywhere yet.

I expect I too will be off to Micro Center for the $99 2100. The price difference compared to the Pentiums just doesn't look worthwhile.

Although with my luck, Micro Center will have the 2105 for $99 and the G840 for $69 or the like in their June sale flyer.

In store pickup only.
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FYI, Costcentral.com has the whole line of new pentium chips in stock and available (actually cheaper than newegg). Just ordered a G620t!

Thx. I assume NE will respond soon. Both prices are with free shipping.

The availability of this part leaves me a twitter WRT picking between the Llano and SB Pentiums. One of the limitations of the Llano is that it's current, still un-released, chipset does not support RAID5, but if I buy a H67 vs H61 I can get RAID5. I own a P35 and it's RAID5 work fine, so I assume the H67 will work just as good.

Requiring a H67 bumps up the MB price by ~$20, to ~$100. For ~ the same price, I can get an existing AMD 880G/890GX MB with a socket AM3+ and buy a quadcore Athlon II for less than $100...
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FYI, Costcentral.com has the whole line of new pentium chips in stock and available (actually cheaper than newegg). Just ordered a G620t!

Let's see:

G840 - $84
G850 - $94
2105 - $145

2100 - $99 at Micro Center. This is a no brainer. A trip to Micro Center is definitely on for this weekend.
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When Llano comes out it's going to have to be pretty cheap to compete with a $78 Pentium + $80 H61 motherboard for basic builds. Those prices even give the current Fusion motherboards a run for their money and the Pentium/H61 has much more CPU horsepower. AMD must be shaking at the knees or have something REALLY good up their sleeves.

 

 

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Ha,

Funny, my logic was a bit different I was thinking:

G620T - $78
i3 2100 - $115 at microcenter ($8 tax & $8 in gas)

~$40 delta and I have no need for 2D to 3D conversion, so the G620T is a no brainer for me
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