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Wake me up when you all get all the bugs worked out and let me know what to buy.

Might be a while it appears.
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That doesnt make sense. The 2500K is the better processor if your using the intel gpu. The 2500K uses intel HD graphics 3000 instead of 2000 and the 3000 has twice the performance of the 2000.

What makes you think theres no reason for the "K" if your using the intel gpu?
No, you're right, it was a mistake I made. Updated to reflect community's feedback:

Qty. Product Description Savings Total Price
1 Western Digital Caviar Green WD20EARS 2TB SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5 Return Policy: Standard Return Policy $20.00 Mail-in Rebate Card $99.99
1 ASUS P8H67-M PRO/CSM LGA 1155 Intel H67 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard ASUS P8H67-M PRO/CSM LGA 1155 Intel H67 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard Item #:82E16813131686 Return Policy: Standard Return Policy $129.99
1 Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K Item #: N82E16819115072
Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy $224.99
1 G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL Item #: N82E16820231277 Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy $49.99

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No, you're right, it was a mistake I made. Updated to reflect community's feedback:

Qty. Product Description Savings Total Price
1 Western Digital Caviar Green WD20EARS 2TB SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5 Return Policy: Standard Return Policy $20.00 Mail-in Rebate Card $99.99
1 ASUS P8H67-M PRO/CSM LGA 1155 Intel H67 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard ASUS P8H67-M PRO/CSM LGA 1155 Intel H67 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard Item #:82E16813131686 Return Policy: Standard Return Policy $129.99
1 Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K Item #: N82E16819115072
Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy $224.99
1 G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL Item #: N82E16820231277 Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy $49.99
Pretty much identical to the build I'll be putting together soon. I added an SSD and went with the stripped-down "LE" version of the P8H67-M motherboard.

For the small price difference (~$15), I figured it's worth buying the 2500K over the non-K 2500 to get the slightly better graphics, and I'll have the option to swap out the mobo later for a P67 if I need a discrete GPU and overclocking.

SPCR's Sandy Bridge review pretty much showed that the HD 3000 was only better than HD 2000 in pure 3D performance, so really for HTPC usage it doesn't matter. But at least it gives me the option to play some games if I choose.

Don't forget to mail in the $20 rebate on the WD20EARS, and Newegg has a $10 off code running now, as well.
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Pretty much identical to the build I'll be putting together soon. I added an SSD and went with the stripped-down "LE" version of the P8H67-M motherboard.

For the small price difference (~$15), I figured it's worth buying the 2500K over the non-K 2500 to get the slightly better graphics, and I'll have the option to swap out the mobo later for a P67 if I need a discrete GPU and overclocking.

SPCR's Sandy Bridge review pretty much showed that the HD 3000 was only better than HD 2000 in pure 3D performance, so really for HTPC usage it doesn't matter. But at least it gives me the option to play some games if I choose.

Don't forget to mail in the $20 rebate on the WD20EARS, and Newegg has a $10 off code running now, as well.
To be honest, I'm seeing a few ppl poo poo the WD20EARS as of late.

Complaints of it being slow, etc.

Perhaps go with an alternative? Thoughts?

Also, regarding the PRO vs the LE: I see the LE has fewer memory slots (that's fine) - any other significant differences? Cost differential is $25, so no big deal, really.

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To be honest, I'm seeing a few ppl poo poo the WD20EARS as of late.

Complaints of it being slow, etc.

Perhaps go with an alternative? Thoughts?
Samsung green f4 2tb
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ok, did some more reading.

The PRO version offers 2 more ram slots, CSM and TPM.

CSM:

ASUS CORPORATE STABLE MODEL (CSM) PROGRAM
To deliver the product longevity and support you demand, ASUS guarantees a one-year shelf life from the date of introduction for every CSM model, meaning that you can implement a standardized solution that will require fewer resources to maintain. When service is needed, ASUS motherboards can be cross-shipped to minimize downtime. All CSM motherboards are covered automatically, purchased in any quantity.

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TPM is the trusted platform module that allows for whole disk encryption.

So, not sure whether these features are needed or not. Price difference is $30 actually, not 25.

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Samsung green f4 2tb
is this the one?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-245-_-Product

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I must say, Sandy bridge ends up being much more expensive than the old i5 setup.

The price list below (assuming samsung vs WD for $99), together with $224 for wessena case with power, ends up being $727.00!!

And that is with NO dedicated video card.

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No, you're right, it was a mistake I made. Updated to reflect community's feedback:

Qty. Product Description Savings Total Price
1 Western Digital Caviar Green WD20EARS 2TB SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5 Return Policy: Standard Return Policy $20.00 Mail-in Rebate Card $99.99
1 ASUS P8H67-M PRO/CSM LGA 1155 Intel H67 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard ASUS P8H67-M PRO/CSM LGA 1155 Intel H67 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard Item #:82E16813131686 Return Policy: Standard Return Policy $129.99
1 Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I52500K Item #: N82E16819115072
Return Policy: CPU Replacement Only Return Policy $224.99
1 G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL Item #: N82E16820231277 Return Policy: Memory Standard Return Policy $49.99

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This is what I purchased:

-Origenae s16v case $450
-Intel core i5 2500k $225
-Scythe CPU cooler $33
-Intel BOXDH67GD mobo $105
-Samsung 64gb SSD $130
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-Seasonic 460w fanless PSU $160
-DiNovo EDGE wireless keyboard $155
-Logitech Harmony One remote $180
-Sata cables and HDMI cables from MONOPRICE.com (~$20)


I'm at about $1800 for my Sandy Bridge.
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ok, did some more reading.
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TPM is the trusted platform module that allows for whole disk encryption.

So, not sure whether these features are needed or not. Price difference is $30 actually, not 25.

TPM is not required for whole disk encryption; I'm doing just fine without it by using TrueCrypt.

TPM is a part of Microsoft's Bitlocker whole disk encryption solution, and I've tried it before in the Vista days. It was so horrible, I've sworn it off. You make any stupid change to your system, such as installing more RAM, changing a BIOS setting, etc, it panics and thinks the system is being attacked, and you have to go through recovery steps with a USB key to get to your data. What pushed me over the edge is when some patch Tuesday updates were installing on Vista, and on rebooting, the mere fact that they were installing updates made it panic and I had to go through the recovery steps. I screamed a near infinite number of curse words in Microsoft's exact direction that night. NEVER install Bitlocker. What a total and 100% complete POS. TrueCrypt is free and kicks the living daylights out of it in every respect.

Bazinga!

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Also, regarding the PRO vs the LE: I see the LE has fewer memory slots (that's fine) - any other significant differences? Cost differential is $25, so no big deal, really.

The P8H67-M PRO version has a bit more. In addition to what you've mentioned:
  • Extra heatsink
  • Rear audio jacks x6 (LE has x3)
  • IDE/ATA
  • On-board USB 2.0 x10 (LE has x8)
  • Optical SPDIF
  • Second PCIe 2.0 x16 slot for CrossFire (LE has a PCIe x4 slot instead)

The LE version does have on-board pins for SPDIF, but the board to hook it up is sold separately. I haven't seen this for sale anywhere yet, though.

The boards also have different Realtek codecs for the LAN and audio, but I'm sure the differences there are negligible.
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is this the one?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-245-_-Product

?

Yep. Its has 3 667 platters instead of 4 500gb platters.

Routinely goes on sale for $80.
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Interesting, so you can have it set up as a dual head display, or is it duplicating the original display?

Clone is impossible between two different GPUs (frame buffers in a GPU's video RAM can't be copied into another GPU's). Only extended desktop is allowed.
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Samsung green f4 2tb

The Samsung F4 drives manufactured before January 1 have a serious firmware bug that could result in silent corruption of data. The Samsung drives are HD204UI (2TB) and the 1.5 TB version. Samsung has issued a DOS patch on its website.
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The Samsung F4 drives manufactured before January 1 have a serious firmware bug that could result in silent corruption of data. The Samsung drives are HD204UI (2TB) and the 1.5 TB version. Samsung has issued a DOS patch on its website.

Have you a link to the patch?

This here:

http://www.samsung.com/global/busine...down&ppmi=1219

is called "diagnostic software"...?

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This is what I purchased:

-Origenae s16v case $450
-Intel core i5 2500k $225
-Scythe CPU cooler $33
-Intel BOXDH67GD mobo $105
-Samsung 64gb SSD $130
-Seagate 2tb 7200rpm 6gb/s HDD $170
-Corsair DDR3 1333 4gb x 2 ram $95 (has $20 mir = $75)
-LG Bluray burner $80
-Seasonic 460w fanless PSU $160
-DiNovo EDGE wireless keyboard $155
-Logitech Harmony One remote $180
-Sata cables and HDMI cables from MONOPRICE.com (~$20)


I'm at about $1800 for my Sandy Bridge.

Looks like a nice build. That case isn't cheap. I'm not sure if I would lump the price tag of a Harmony One as a part of a Sandy Bridge build price. They're great remotes and I have one myself; once you get everything setup right, you don't need all the other remotes, and you can have just the Harmony One by your side.

The 460W SeaSonic is a little overkill. SeaSonic makes a great product, but even their 400W model is overkill for the actual power consumption of these Sandy Bridge builds when you're using integrated graphics. With the components you listed, I don't think you'll ever go over 200W, and you'll probably have average power consumption during BD playback under 100W.

Bazinga!

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Have you a link to the patch?

This here:

http://www.samsung.com/global/busine...down&ppmi=1219

is called "diagnostic software"...?

No. That's for diagnosing drive health.

http://www.samsung.com/global/busine...bbs_msg_id=386
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Looks like a nice build. That case isn't cheap. I'm not sure if I would lump the price tag of a Harmony One as a part of a Sandy Bridge build price. They're great remotes and I have one myself; once you get everything setup right, you don't need all the other remotes, and you can have just the Harmony One by your side.

The 460W SeaSonic is a little overkill. SeaSonic makes a great product, but even their 400W model is overkill for the actual power consumption of these Sandy Bridge builds when you're using integrated graphics. With the components you listed, I don't think you'll ever go over 200W, and you'll probably have average power consumption during BD playback under 100W.

Pretty much everything in the builds discussed here is an overkill. I just bought the Seasonic (400W) and an Asus H67 motherboard that allows overclocking of integrated graphics. The PSU should live a long and productive life long after Sandy is obsolete.
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I went with the 460w to be safe. That case can hold 5 hard drives and I have the ability to add a dedicated graphics card if need be. I did it for upgradability.
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If you guys are going with fanless components, I'd recommend big cases with big fans, instead of smaller HTPC dedicated ones. Big cases can be more silent and cooler at the same time.
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I went with the 460w to be safe. That case can hold 5 hard drives and I have the ability to add a dedicated graphics card if need be. I did it for upgradability.

Traditional hard drives use approx 10W each, though they spike a little higher when they're spinning up.

A dedicated graphics card can vary wildly. A low end card doing basic Windows stuff may be in the 20-30W range, or a top of the line card doing 3D gaming may be over 200W.

Nothing wrong with a little bit of overhead.

Bazinga!

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ended up ordering 2- spinpoint 2tb F4's because theyre on sale for $80...woot!
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I went with the 460w to be safe. That case can hold 5 hard drives and I have the ability to add a dedicated graphics card if need be. I did it for upgradability.

I thought we had this conversation and I was all about the safety, lol. I went with the 400W so that I can return it more easily to the store if I hear any pixies dying inside. The Asus board supports crossfire. Two dedicated silent cards? Is there a four monitor limit on Sandy Bridge?
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Has anyone tried the 15.21.6.2272 new Intel GPU driver?

It says improve video post processing.
Does it solve the 24p issue?

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why should i upgrade my intel e8800 Gigabyte e7aum with a ATI 5550 to the sandy bridge .... better MKV playback ? I skipped the core i3/i5 cycle. I am not interested in 3d playback. I can do bit streaming and the playback quality is good ... so should I upgrade?

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I don't think so, if you don't need extra power.
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Has anyone tried the 15.21.6.2272 new Intel GPU driver?

It says improve video post processing.
Does it solve the 24p issue?

Anandtech notes that the 24p issue will never go away from the hardware end, because it's a flaw with the gpu architecture.

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why should i upgrade my intel e8800 Gigabyte e7aum with a ATI 5550 to the sandy bridge .... better MKV playback ? I skipped the core i3/i5 cycle. I am not interested in 3d playback. I can do bit streaming and the playback quality is good ... so should I upgrade?

If your current system is working without problems don't upgrade.
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If your current system is working without problems don't upgrade.

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thanks... thats what I thought.

If you are doing anything that is CPU limited, such as transcoding from ATSC 1080i to h.264, Sandy Bridge will be a nice upgrade.

If you are primarily doing media playback and your current HTPC handles it fine, well, there isn't much reason to upgrade.

Bazinga!

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