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post #451 of 671 Old 04-09-2012, 10:32 PM
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dksc318, what's the noise like on the Dynatron T459? How would it compare to the stock cooler or even one of the Gelid coolers (you mentioned in another thread you have used Gelid before). I assume at only 1500RPM it's not too loud?

Yes, I can't hear it while on the couch. At 57deg C it goes up to 3000rpm but still not too bad. I haven't used the stock cooler on i3 and i5s. Only use one on a C2D.

I have Gelid case fans with thermistor on a long cord. I placed the cord on the chipset heatsink. Sometime the Gelid would have hard time starting, just rock back and forth until it is hot enough to turn. I also have a three pin Delta case fan that has a thermistor. That works without any hesitation. All in all, either 4 pin PWM or a thermistor fan are the way to go.

I just got a 35W i3-2100T. I want to use it with a 120W picoPSU.
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I just got a 35W i3-2100T. I want to use it with a 120W picoPSU.

Even an 80W picoPSU is more than enough to drive a Sandy Bridge (I've gone as high as an i3-2100), 1 x SSD, 1 x HDD and 1 x ODD, 1 x 120mm case fan, a PCI tuner and a USB wireless NIC. That's what I had in one of the various revisions of my bedroom HTPC paired with a 12V 6A 72W AC adapter. Under Prime95 I think it came close to 50W at the most.

Sandy Bridge is a remarkable thing.

 

 

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yep, sandybridge is pretty amazing:
i3-2100, H61 mini-itx, 1 SSD, 1 3.5 HDD, USB TV tuner and 80mm case fan.

The most I've seen on boot is around 50W. On mkv playback it sits around 30W. I'm using a similar PSU and adaptor as StarDog.

It also means it runs really cool.
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Dynatron suggest that I try a model K1 heatsink for the 35W i3-2100T.
http://www.dynatron-corp.com/en/prod...=&id=225&in=0#
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Mmmm, I see something I like that's on the horizon:
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Int...t_1155/P8H77I/



6 SATA ports and a USB3.0 header, nice.

These are already available outside the US.

 

 

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And look at this monster of a mini-ITX board:
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Int...P8Z77I_DELUXE/



Wifi, Bluetooth, and a really funky vertical power board thingy I haven't quite figure out yet what it is.

 

 

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And look at this monster of a mini-ITX board:
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Int...P8Z77I_DELUXE/



Wifi, Bluetooth, and a really funky vertical power board thingy I haven't quite figure out yet what it is.

kinda overkill for a HTPC. It's meant for overclocking IMO, which is the only reason they are using a fancy voltage regulator board.
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I'm really not liking that daughter board or whatever it is on the Deluxe. It would block the fans in my ISK case.

My ASUS E35M1-I Deluxe + Antec ISK 310-150 HTPC Project: HTPC Nirvana
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I'm really not liking that daughter board or whatever it is on the Deluxe. It would block the fans in my ISK case.

I was thinking the same and in addition it's taller than the I/O ports in the back which means it won't fit in a small case that has an ODD like the one I've been playing with. I guess we're going to need a bigger case...

 

 

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Put in a 35W Sandy Bridge and it will be a low power server. Hope it will support RAID everything.

Most low power Atom NAS all cost $600 and above. May save $100-200 with this solution.
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Put in a 35W Sandy Bridge and it will be a low power server. Hope it will support RAID everything.

Most low power Atom NAS all cost $600 and above. May save $100-200 with this solution.

FWIW, my home server board is an ASUS E35M1-I. It has 6 x SATA ports too. I paid well under $100 for it. ASUS makes some nice boards.

 

 

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FWIW, my home server board is an ASUS E35M1-I. It has 6 x SATA ports too. I paid well under $100 for it. ASUS makes some nice boards.

Supermicro also makes some nice Atom server ITX MBs, but they run in the $200 range. They setup well with unRAID though since they have Intel NIC onboard and USB port onboard to keep things tidy. No good for HTPC since they only have VGA out.

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I currently have only two drives inside a case that can hold six... The Sonta III is a great case.

However, I wanted to downsize. The Thermaltake Element Q is affordable (sub-$100) and supports full PCI. There was another case that Stardog recommended but it comes in loud colors. Lian-Li's are expensive and don't come with a PSU adding to the cost. Not to mention Mini-ITX boards tend to be about $10-$15 more than Micro or full ATX board.

Maybe this? - http://www.gtweb.net/cs780.html

Not that great looking but the price is decent, has space for a full size card.

What benefits have you seen from using smaller, yet powerful PC's? Talk me into spending anywhere from $100-$200 more! lol

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Even an 80W picoPSU is more than enough to drive a Sandy Bridge (I've gone as high as an i3-2100), 1 x SSD, 1 x HDD and 1 x ODD, 1 x 120mm case fan, a PCI tuner and a USB wireless NIC. That's what I had in one of the various revisions of my bedroom HTPC paired with a 12V 6A 72W AC adapter. Under Prime95 I think it came close to 50W at the most.

Sandy Bridge is a remarkable thing.

There's a comparison test on AnandTech - http://www.anandtech.com/show/5696/p...wn-at-65-watts

They use Sandy Bridge and an i7 on the 90W brick. Too bad the A8-3800 65W Quad Core APU isn't widely available would it would have been a more fair comparison.

In terms of where we are today, low power computing means you don't have to suffer with slow hardware and save energy at the same time.

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Maybe this? - http://www.gtweb.net/cs780.html

Not that great looking but the price is decent, has space for a full size card.

What benefits have you seen from using smaller, yet powerful PC's? Talk me into spending anywhere from $100-$200 more! lol

That case, although not a great looker, seems really well designed. I like the riser design for x1 cards. But what's with the removeable cutout on the front? Behind it is just the PSU...

I tend to bounce back and forth between small and larger cases. Both have their pluses, w/ r t mITX cases I like that they (can be made to) look just like a high end CD or BD player if the manufacturer puts some effort into it. The larger ones tend to miss the mark on that point but they have more expandability.

Right now I have a Streacom FC8 fanless mITX case which is really tiny and still I managed to put two x1 twin-tuner cards in it. But it runs a bit too hot after I put it into an enclosed AV cabinet and the tuners do not like that so I am looking at something a little bigger.
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I currently have only two drives inside a case that can hold six... The Sonta III is a great case.

However, I wanted to downsize. The Thermaltake Element Q is affordable (sub-$100) and supports full PCI. There was another case that Stardog recommended but it comes in loud colors. Lian-Li's are expensive and don't come with a PSU adding to the cost. Not to mention Mini-ITX boards tend to be about $10-$15 more than Micro or full ATX board.

Maybe this? - http://www.gtweb.net/cs780.html

Not that great looking but the price is decent, has space for a full size card.

What benefits have you seen from using smaller, yet powerful PC's? Talk me into spending anywhere from $100-$200 more! lol

Do you need an ODD? Would a half-height card be enough? How about a 120W DC / 84W AC PSU? Would that be enough for what you want to build? http://www.minicase.net/product_E-I7.html

 

 

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That case, although not a great looker, seems really well designed. I like the riser design for x1 cards. But what's with the removeable cutout on the front? Behind it is just the PSU...

I tend to bounce back and forth between small and larger cases. Both have their pluses, w/ r t mITX cases I like that they (can be made to) look just like a high end CD or BD player if the manufacturer puts some effort into it. The larger ones tend to miss the mark on that point but they have more expandability.

Right now I have a Streacom FC8 fanless mITX case which is really tiny and still I managed to put two x1 twin-tuner cards in it. But it runs a bit too hot after I put it into an enclosed AV cabinet and the tuners do not like that so I am looking at something a little bigger.

You mean a dual tuner or (2) x1 tuners? I only see a slot for ONE low profile tuner.

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You mean a dual tuner or (2) x1 tuners? I only see a slot for ONE low profile tuner.

Quite right. But I modded the case - enlarged one of the predrilled holes (for USB brackets I think) in the back panel for an antenna connector and connected a small twin tuner (Blackgold BGT3620) card with a flexible x1 extender and adapter to the miniPCIe slot on the motherboard. So one twin tuner in the regular low profile slot and one MacGyvered one.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1363820
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Do you need an ODD? Would a half-height card be enough? How about a 120W DC / 84W AC PSU? Would that be enough for what you want to build? http://www.minicase.net/product_E-I7.html

Not really. I have seen the merits of installing OS by flash drive

I wanted to use the Hauppauge Colossus eventually, which has no half-height option and I'm not sure I trust the HD-PVR, plus it cost more.

I may have to take a serious look at the Thermaltake though I don't like the red stripe on it.

Its issues like these that make me want to stay with my original plan which is to build a Mini ITX server to replace the Dell and keep the Sonta III case and just go with a Micro or full ATX A75 board. Just seems like a waste of space if I'm not going to put a GPU in there and not store more than one drive.

Great for air flow I suppose...

I just don't wan to spend $80-$150 to go Mini-ITX without reasonable cause.

The HTPC upgrade stands at about $192 before taxes/shipping going with the ASRock board. Going with the Elite Group board I save about $9 (with the $25 rebate), but since I also need memory, that makes the memory cost less and the upgrade less overall.

60-64GB SSD prices have stabilized around at the sub-$100 range, so much so that its even possible to take advantage of RAID 0 with two 64GB SSD's.

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The Thermaltake Element Q is the same case as the Apex MI-008 and Rosewill RS-MI-01 just with a different faceplate and PSU. The insides are exactly the same. I'd ditch the PSU anyway for a picoPSU (well, I did when I was using my RS-MI-01). My RS-MI-01 is now up in the classifieds .

 

 

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The Thermaltake Element Q is the same case as the Apex MI-008 and Rosewill RS-MI-01 just with a different faceplate and PSU. The insides are exactly the same. I'd ditch the PSU anyway for a picoPSU (well, I did when I was using my RS-MI-01). My RS-MI-01 is now up in the classifieds .

PSU is serviceable on that case. No issues so far.
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PSU is serviceable on that case. No issues so far.

Agreed - no issues with mine either. I should qualify that with saying I removed mine for more airflow and to stuff more things into the case, not because the PSU is bad. I trusted that PSU to my server for a few months and nary a hiccup.

 

 

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APU Computer Case Mini ITX

US $55.99 US $30.00 Standard Int'l Shipping

Looks like a nice clean case with quality aluminum face plate

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in my eyes, E-Q8 is a good choice, it takes all aluminum and wiredrawing skill, all thes would make Q8 has a beautifu apperance and gets the high quality.

I like the E-Q8 too. However, I prefer the new E-I5 and E-I7 for wiredrawing and diamond shining excellence.

"wiredrawing" = "wirebrushed". As in brushed aluminum. I see that translation error everywhere .

 

 

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I just received the Iwill HT100 today. First impressions are very good. It's a very nice case, nearly identical to the Origenae m10. I haven't built it up yet but here are a few quick pictures I snapped this morning.










 

 

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Would a slot-load optical drive such as this one:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/3179m-LfclL.jpg

fit in any case that takes a tray-load slim optical? By that I mean - is the bezel on the front the same dimensions? Im looking at Lian Li PC-Q09

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I just received the Iwill HT100 today. First impressions are very good. It's a very nice case, nearly identical to the Origenae m10. I haven't built it up yet but here are a few quick pictures I snapped this morning.

Amazing how many Chinese M10 knock offs there are. And most seem to be as well built as the original. This one, what sort of display does it have? A VFD or one of those horrible blue high intensity low contrast LCDs?
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Amazing how many Chinese M10 knock offs there are. And most seem to be as well built as the original. This one, what sort of display does it have? A VFD or one of those horrible blue high intensity low contrast LCDs?

You have to wonder if they are knock-offs or simply rebadges of the same thing from the same manufacturer, even the Origenae. If you order enough, these are fully customizable for any reseller.

It doesn't come with a display. It was an option but it was one of those fan/temperature display ones, not a media center one. I am searching for something that might fit. The nMediaPC LCD is a hair too tall. Probably some homebrew solution would be the right fit. I went a long time with my nMediaPC 1000b without something to fill the LCD window so it's not a big deal to me. It's fine without it. I will put an internal IR receiver in it however.

IMHO, given that the m10 with display goes for $329.99 + shipping, this is a pretty good deal at $150 w/ free shipping, even with having to find a display or deciding not to care to find one, if someone wants an m10 but doesn't want to drop the extra $$$. AFAICT, it gets you a little bit beefier PSU and the possibility of using the $100+ Origenae (rebadged Soundgraph VFD+IR) -- that's it.

 

 

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