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At least two e-tailers list the Asus F1A75-M PRO.

At least one has it in stock for $115

http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?...088b3b5d3225c#

I hope this is just a high price at introduction, because it seems to be high relative to H67 mATX MBs with USB3. Newegg has these staring at $85...

Here's a write-up of unpacking this motherboard:

http://techgage.com/news/unboxing_as...m1_motherboard

ASUS board looks really really nice.
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See title, give it a week or two for wide availability IMO.

I hope microcenter does their usual AMD combo action too, usually its $40 off the mobo and competitive on the C, er, APU price.

4 native usb3 and 6x6gb sata is nice for a "low end" platform

I am digging the matx layouts seen so far, need to see more itx to make my final call.

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See title, give it a week or two for wide availability IMO.

I hope microcenter does their usual AMD combo action too, usually its $40 off the mobo and competitive on the C, er, APU price.

4 native usb3 and 6x6gb sata is nice for a "low end" platform

I agree that the "chipset" features are nice, but they are also better than their current/warmed-over-future discrete chipset (8XX/9XX series) features. AMD really considers the E-series the low-end, though it's too low-end for me...
http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-plan...sap/12769.html

Thanks to renethx for explaining Asus motherboard marketing strata (Pro vs LE).

The Asrock A75M-HVS seems more my bottom feeder budget range but I'll have to check if it has SPDIF available on a header. A shame that MB doesn't hvae two digital video outputs...
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I'm dissapointed that the low-priced Asrock A75M-HVS does not seem to have a SPDIF out, not even a pin header on the motherboard.

Is this lack-of-function due to the use of the VIA VT1705?
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VT1705 supports S/PDIF, but ASRock omitted even an internal connector. The cheapest (right now) A75 mb with an optical out in the rear panel is ASRock A75M, $80-$90, then GIGABYTE GA-A75M-DS2H, ~$95.
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Hmm, A75 boards appear to be on-par with H61/H67 pricing. On the upside, the processors are cheaper compared to what earlier leaks suggest so total platform cost should be around the same as dual-core i3 and Pentium Sandy Bridge. Now the question is, are the integrated graphics and power consumption/heat output good enough to be worth sacrificing CPU power or are folks better off getting Intel CPU + discrete GPU (at least for GPU-heavy HTPC-centric tasks such as MadVR, etc).
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Hmm, A75 boards appear to be on-par with H61/H67 pricing. On the upside, the processors are cheaper compared to what earlier leaks suggest so total platform cost should be around the same as dual-core i3 and Pentium Sandy Bridge. Now the question is, are the integrated graphics and power consumption/heat output good enough to be worth sacrificing CPU power or are folks better off getting Intel CPU + discrete GPU (at least for GPU-heavy HTPC-centric tasks such as MadVR, etc).
I don't think any of these lano's will have any trouble with MadVR
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Fudzilla

- A6-3650 4C 2.6GHz / Radeon HD 6530D 320C 443MHz: $115
- A8-3850 4C 2.9GHz / Radeon HD 6550D 400C 600MHz: $135

Available at retail stores on July 3.

The A75 mb are cheaper than those for Intel not only because it's AMD () but also the A75 chipset includes every controller (4 USB 3.0, 6 SATA 6.0Gb/s, 3 PCI).
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A couple of A75 mb are available at Newegg.com.

Now it's up to three MBs, two Gigabyte and an Asus.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...=1&srchInDesc=

Regarding APU prices, I think the Fudzilla leaked prices ($115 & $135) are definitely a step in the right direction.

We'll see more test write-ups tomorrow of the 3850 (maybe a 3650 also??) when the NDA expires...
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3850 for sale at provantage
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Aside from updating my HTPC (which I will probably go with a Llano Mini-ITX once available) I am also planning on building a new desktop PC (where I do any encoding, transcoding, ripping, commercial scanning, etc...). What would be the comparable to the core i7 from the new AMD line, and is there any expected benefit of one over the other when it comes to CPU intensive tasks? I may just go with a SNB i7 but curious at the other options.

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I just ordered Asus's F1A75-M Pro mobo from newegg for $119.99. No CPU available yet though.

Mobo only comes with 2 SATA cables. I dont understand why they would do that when there are 6 SATA ports.

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What would be the comparable to the core i7 from the new AMD line, and is there any expected benefit of one over the other when it comes to CPU intensive tasks? I may just go with a SNB i7 but curious at the other options.

At best, Bulldozer FX, but even then, early reports suggest that it might still fall behind Sandy Bridge.

From the Llano line-up, none come anywhere near close to the i7. Maybe compared to i7 mobile parts, but the i7-2600K? Nope. The top Llano model (A8-3850, 100W TDP) is already barely competitive with a dual-core i3 on the CPU front. Llano's only saving grace is the much better GPU. Up to now, we still don't know whether 65W TDP parts will be available at launch. Assuming they're not, that suggests there may not be much overclocking headroom for Llano.

Another thing, if you're using the build for encoding, you might want to explore Intel's QuickSync Technology.
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At best, Bulldozer FX, but even then, early reports suggest that it might still fall behind Sandy Bridge.

From the Llano line-up, none come anywhere near close to the i7. Maybe compared to i7 mobile parts, but the i7-2600K? Nope. The top Llano model (A8-3850, 100W TDP) is already barely competitive with a dual-core i3 on the CPU front. Llano's only saving grace is the much better GPU. Up to now, we still don't know whether 65W TDP parts will be available at launch. Assuming they're not, that suggests there may not be much overclocking headroom for Llano.

Another thing, if you're using the build for encoding, you might want to explore Intel's QuickSync Technology.

Thanks. I was leaning towards SNB i7, so looks like no reason to change that

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Thanks. I was leaning towards SNB i7, so looks like no reason to change that

In fairness to AMD, we still have no idea how Bulldozer will perform as there have been no credible leaks thus far. It could very well beat Sandy Bridge. I'm just not counting on it particularly with the delays we're getting. From a statement from AMD, Bulldozer was originally slated for Q2'11 release with Llano following shortly after in Q3'11. By the looks of things, the release dates have been reversed and there's no sign that Bulldozer will be released by July.
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I just ordered Asus's F1A75-M Pro mobo from newegg for $119.99. No CPU available yet though.

Mobo only comes with 2 SATA cables. I dont understand why they would do that when there are 6 SATA ports.

APUs from Newegg tomorrow or within a few days. The desktop NDA expires tomorrow.
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I will place a seperate order for the APU once they are available.

One question I have though is what kind of memory is acceptable for the mobo? Asus doesnt have a QVL out yet.

Newbie to all of this.
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VT1705 supports S/PDIF, but ASRock omitted even an internal connector. The cheapest (right now) A75 mb with an optical out in the rear panel is ASRock A75M, $80-$90, then GIGABYTE GA-A75M-DS2H, ~$95.

Thanks.

Wow! the cost of a pin header is a few cents. I guess this is a function of the marketing department trying to differentiate the product levels.

Annoying to me, because I have no interest or need for the higher priced MB...
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Thanks. I was leaning towards SNB i7, so looks like no reason to change that

Zambezi (the code name of a [up to] 4 module/8 core processor based on the Bulldozer module) should be available by the end of August (September according to DigiTimes below). I hope Zambezi does not follow the same path as Phenom.
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AMD to announce Llano APU by DigiTimes

July
APU Cores Clock L2 Cache GPU Cores Clock TDP Price
A8-3850 4 2.9GHz 4MB HD 6550D 400 600MHz 100W $135
A8-3800 4 2.4-2.7GHz 4MB HD 6550D 400 600MHz 65W  
A6-3650 4 2.6GHz 4MB HD 6530D 320 443MHz 100W $115
A6-3600 4 2.1-2.4GHz 4MB HD 6530D 320 443MHz 65W  
Q4
APU Cores Clock L2 Cache GPU Cores Clock TDP Price
A8-3870 4   4MB          
A8-3820 4   4MB          
A6-3670 4   4MB          
A6-3620 4   4MB          
A6-3500 3 2.1-2.4GHz 3MB HD 6530D 320 443MHz 65W  
A4-3400 2 2.7GHz 1MB HD 6410D 160 600MHz 65W  
A4-3300 2 2.5GHz 1MB HD 6410D 160 600MHz 65W  
Perhaps 3870/3820 is a higher-clocked version of 3850/3800. 3500 is just 3600 with one core disabled. On the other hand, 3400/3300 may (or may not) be a new die.
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At best, Bulldozer FX, but even then, early reports suggest that it might still fall behind Sandy Bridge.

From the Llano line-up, none come anywhere near close to the i7. Maybe compared to i7 mobile parts, but the i7-2600K? Nope. The top Llano model (A8-3850, 100W TDP) is already barely competitive with a dual-core i3 on the CPU front. Llano's only saving grace is the much better GPU. Up to now, we still don't know whether 65W TDP parts will be available at launch. Assuming they're not, that suggests there may not be much overclocking headroom for Llano.

Another thing, if you're using the build for encoding, you might want to explore Intel's QuickSync Technology.

Have been following this thread off/on for some time and have gathered some really useful information about Llano.

Was holding off on building a new itx HTPC with a small footprint (in an Antec ISK 300 or one w/ similar footprint) using Sandy Bridge due to
a) the 24p issue with SB and
b) reportedly the more powerful GPU in Llano
c) reading somewhere (IIRC one of dbone1026/Damian's posts?) that AMD processors work better with Open Source software.

However, heat dissipation is an equally important consideration since the HTPC will be enclosed in a cabinet without much cooling (and no easy way to add a cooling solution/fans). So, am now wondering/debating if the 100W rated A8 or A6 processors might be the right choice for me, especially since:
a) Llano are rumored to be only(?) as powerful as the SNB i3's (as far as CPU processing power goes) and
b) I really dont intend to do serious gaming on the HTPC.
c) Plus, the TDP of SNB 2100's is rated only about 1/3 that of Llano (atleast the A8/A6's that will be immediately available),
d) SNB's QuickSync should help with transcoding/encoding duties.

Rumor has it that Ivy Bridge processors would fix the 24p issue and I should be able to just replace the SNB processor as long as the HTPC uses a compatible SNB chipset.

I guess (hope) we will know the real heat dissipation characteristics of the Llano CPUs in a few days once the reviews start coming in but just thought I'd pose the question here to get some opinions. Thoughts?

Thanks in advance,
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Perhaps TDP matters only when you do CPU intensive tasks such as video re-encoding by x264 (e.g. convert the original HD video format to a low-quality one to save disk space). At idle and video playback, there won't be a difference between a 100 TDP sku and a 65 TDP sku. A similar argument on Core i3 T 35W vs. non-T 65W (here). Reviews on June 30 may (or may not) clear up this point. An early preview (power consumption etc.) if you are not patient.
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Perhaps TDP matters only when you do CPU intensive tasks such as video re-encoding by x264 (e.g. convert the original HD video format to a low-quality one to save disk space). At idle and video playback, there won't be a difference between a 100 TDP sku and a 65 TDP sku. A similar argument on Core i3 T 35W vs. non-T 65W (here). Reviews on June 30 may (or may not) clear up this point. An early preview (power consumption etc.) if you are not patient.

You could also pitch Anandtech's Jakmal to look at this more closely, but his Llano HTPC review is probably already finished, just waiting for the NDA to lift.
Since I've not bought a power-pig discrete video card ever, 100W does SOUND like a lot to me, but your mileage WILL vary.
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100W looks reasonable to me, considering

- CPU max power ~60W (pretty good as a *real* quad-core, compared with Athlon II X4's 90W max)
- GPU max power ~40W (remember HD 6570 480 cores' 60W max)

To *achieve* 100W, perhaps you have to run both a CPU intensive task and a game simultaneously.
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Perhaps TDP matters only when you do CPU intensive tasks such as video re-encoding by x264 (e.g. convert the original HD video format to a low-quality one to save disk space). At idle and video playback, there won't be a difference between a 100 TDP sku and a 65 TDP sku. A similar argument on Core i3 T 35W vs. non-T 65W (here).

Granted, TDP isn't everything but in recent years, it seems Intel is typically more conservative with their TDP values than AMD.

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An early preview (power consumption etc.) if you are not patient.

From that preview:


Motherboard is enthusiast level so it likely has higher power consumption than your typical budget board. Still, I'm not really liking the 50W idle. In fairness, I'm not liking the ASUS P8Z68-V PRO's power consumption, either. As it is, the Gigabyte H67 probably already has higher power consumption compared to budget boards from Intel or MSI.
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100W looks reasonable to me, considering

- CPU max power ~60W (pretty good as a *real* quad-core, compared with Athlon II X4's 90W max)
- GPU max power ~40W (remember HD 6570 480 cores' 60W max)

To *achieve* 100W, perhaps you have to run both a CPU intensive task and a game simultaneously.

Racing against time to finish up the piece now.

But, to give you an early indication (similar to the preview), I am more than happy with the power numbers. My full system with ASRock A75Pro4 idles at 36W (I use a SSD instead of hard drive, but the rest is standard stuff with a 450W PSU, 4 GB DDR3-1333 RAM, 8x Blu-ray drive etc. etc.). Local file 1080p playback at ~50W, Blu-ray disk at ~57W.

If you are into gaming, stressing CPU etc. etc., Prime95 + FurMark at ~140W and Call of Pripyat benchmark at max settings at ~92W.

All this using 100W TDP processor. Power measurement is average over duration of the activitiy and is at the wall, not off the rails.

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Thought I saw a A75 (F1) motherboard at Fry's on Monday.
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June 27 (Monday) was the official launch day of A75 chipset. I am not sure what AMD is thinking when compatible processors are available only on July 3 at retail stores.
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