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Well that's certainly interesting. Model numbers are kinda different from the initial ones released by Xbit Labs. I wonder if it's an indication of increased performance...
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True. Combining it with the CPU means they don't have to share with AIB manufacturers. Besides, if they can sell chipsets for the same price like Intel is doing, not having the integrated graphics on the chipset probably means a slightly higher profit margin on chipsets. Another thing, if AMD can manage to wrestle even 3~5% of the CPU market from Intel because of Llano's graphics, that's probably enough to make up for the lost sales on HD 6450's (and perhaps HD 6570's).

Features-wise, I think Llano is perfect. Now it's just up to pricing, wattage, heat output, reviews, etc to determine the extent of its success.
Yup, its going to be a great HTPC, which is a small market. But, it should also be a pretty decent mid range laptop product since it will do casual gaming while intel graphics really can't. Intel will continue to own the high end system with discrete graphics, but I think AMD has created a niche for itself.
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Does any video card support full hardware acceleration of 1080p60 H.264 anyway?

I just finished testing the suitability of the Sapphire DDR3 based 6570. It supports full DXVA decode acceleration of all the 1080p60 H264 test streams that we have in our test suite. The 6450 didn't make the cut.

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Curious, what specific clips does AT use in their Media Streamer test suite? Is it public domain or perhaps covered by Creative Commons license? I'd love to be able to use it for my tests.

Most of our test clips are downloaded from various forum links. There are obviously a number of copyrighted clips too. This makes it difficult to make available the full test suite for download. However, the most stressful 1080p60 clip that we have is the basketball clip which I first found on the NMT forums (IIRC). Here is the link : http://www.mediafire.com/?ik1dymmmmkg ; [ On a related note, the clip from our test suite played by Boxee during their launch is linked here : https://github.com/Nevcairiel/LAVFSplitter/issues/42 ]

When playing this using MPC-HC, I check the statistics to make sure that DXVA is being used (got to make MPC Video Decoder skip all checks for DXVA) and the source file frame rate in the first line is constant at 59.94 ; On the 6450, I found that it would vary between 40 and 55 fps. On the Sapphire 6570, I got 59.94 fps.


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There is no doubt Sandy Bridge is the superior cpu, but for HTPC thats not really a big deal since we are basically only talking multimedia here. I'm guessing the E2-3250 will be able to handle every format of multimedia including 1080p60, 3D blueray, and all audio formats.

I doubt the E2-3250 can handle 1080p60.

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I wouldn't worry about the power consumption of Llano, if I remember correctly AMD showed off Llano with some heavy multitasking a couple of months back, and I the wattmeter maxed out ar around 55w, that was with HD-movie playback, Excel spreadsheet, 3D rendering and post processing at the same time.

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[quote=jakmal;20430070]I just finished testing the suitability of the Sapphire DDR3 based 6570. It supports full DXVA decode acceleration of all the 1080p60 H264 test streams that we have in our test suite. The 6450 didn't make the cut.


So if the gpu can't handle the DXVA the cpu can't make up the difference to get smooth playback?
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When playing this using MPC-HC, I check the statistics to make sure that DXVA is being used (got to make MPC Video Decoder skip all checks for DXVA) and the source file frame rate in the first line is constant at 59.94 ; On the 6450, I found that it would vary between 40 and 55 fps. On the Sapphire 6570, I got 59.94 fps.




I doubt the E2-3250 can handle 1080p60.[/quote]

This would be a real bummer, you have to go pretty far up the list of llano to get something like the 6570. The only reason for me to go from my zacate system to llano would be for 3D video and 1080p60, both of which I'm not sure I'm worried about right now. I will probably be watching 60% OTA 1080i60, 20% blue ray, and 20% hulu. I can't really see a case where I will be watching 1080p60 and my TV doesn't support 3D.
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So if the gpu can't handle the DXVA the cpu can't make up the difference to get smooth playback?

The i5-680 could keep up with the decoding, albeit at the cost of an increased CPU usage and a spike in the CPU fan noise I am not sure about the lower powered CPUs. I definitely know that one of the Arrandales (i3-330M) couldn't keep up with the frame rate in software decode of that 1080p60 clip

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This would be a real bummer, you have to go pretty far up the list of llano to get something like the 6570. The only reason for me to go from my zacate system to llano would be for 3D video and 1080p60, both of which I'm not sure I'm worried about right now. I will probably be watching 60% OTA 1080i60, 20% blue ray, and 20% hulu. I can't really see a case where I will be watching 1080p60 and my TV doesn't support 3D.

In your situation, I guess you will need to go with the quad cores with the 65xx integrated GPU to see any benefit worthy of investing in a new system. Since you don't have a 3D TV right now, it is all about future proofing. Furthermore, I think 1080p60 camcorders will become more and more common, so you might want to plan for that too. Personally, I think 1080p60 and the upcoming 4K x 2K TVs will make consumers happier than the current state of the 3D ecosystem, but companies are hesitant to go forward with those advances in favour of promoting the 3D concept.

(All this assuming that the slides reproduced in the posts above are the exact models which will be released by AMD).

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The i5-680 could keep up with the decoding, albeit at the cost of an increased CPU usage and a spike in the CPU fan noise I am not sure about the lower powered CPUs. I definitely know that one of the Arrandales (i3-330M) couldn't keep up with the frame rate in software decode of that 1080p60 clip

Hmm, what decoder were you using for your software tests? With DXVA (MPC-HC), a GT 430 didn't have any issues paired with a Celeron E3300 @ 3.33 GHz playing the Birds and Ginza Cat 1080p60 clips. I'll have to try that basketball one when I get home. Then again, I think it's safe to assume that the GT 430 is a stronger GPU compared to the HD 6450.

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In your situation, I guess you will need to go with the quad cores with the 65xx integrated GPU to see any benefit worthy of investing in a new system. Since you don't have a 3D TV right now, it is all about future proofing. Furthermore, I think 1080p60 camcorders will become more and more common, so you might want to plan for that too. Personally, I think 1080p60 and the upcoming 4K x 2K TVs will make consumers happier than the current state of the 3D ecosystem, but companies are hesitant to go forward with those advances in favour of promoting the 3D concept.

(All this assuming that the slides reproduced in the posts above are the exact models which will be released by AMD).

Hmm, yeah, prices of 1080p60 camcorders are going down so they're bound to become more common. I'm actually thinking of buying one but I'm wondering if it's worth the cost considering I'm too lazy to actually take videos and stuff. It'll probably be handy to take on vacation while sightseeing, though.
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Hmm, what decoder were you using for your software tests?

The MPC Video Decoder is always my first choice. For most clips, it uses DXVA, but the basketball clip, in addition to being 60 fps, also uses 8 reference frames. This makes the clip fail the reference frames check and DXVA doesn't get used by default. When testing GPUs, I always try to force DXVA usage.

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Hmm, yeah, prices of 1080p60 camcorders are going down so they're bound to become more common. I'm actually thinking of buying one but I'm wondering if it's worth the cost considering I'm too lazy to actually take videos and stuff. It'll probably be handy to take on vacation while sightseeing, though.

Yes, 1080p60 camcorders are becoming very cheap. I think there is already a sub-$250 Sanyo Xacti model doing 1080p60. By the end of the year, I believe the Flip-like camcorders will also make the jump to 1080p60.

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Yes, 1080p60 camcorders are becoming very cheap. I think there is already a sub-$250 Sanyo Xacti model doing 1080p60. By the end of the year, I believe the Flip-like camcorders will also make the jump to 1080p60.

Oh wow, $250 really? I was actually looking at some sub-$1,000 Panasonic ones. If I'd seen one for $250, it would probably be on the UPS truck by now, ready to be delivered.
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Oh wow, $250 really? I was actually looking at some sub-$1,000 Panasonic ones.

Pretty off-topic, but I do keep track of the camcorder market a bit too (but not a professional reviewer on that front) and I can say that the Flip-like ones (no optical zoom) will be below $250 and do 1080p60 by this time next year. And the ones with optical zoom and a decent sensor will not cost more than $400 - $500. The days of the $1K 1080p60 camcorders are numbered, but that that is just the way it has always been.. early adopters have to pay a lot, but eventually, the price goes down for mass market acceptance.

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The i5-680 could keep up with the decoding, albeit at the cost of an increased CPU usage and a spike in the CPU fan noise I am not sure about the lower powered CPUs. I definitely know that one of the Arrandales (i3-330M) couldn't keep up with the frame rate in software decode of that 1080p60 clip

DiAVC H.264 Decoder. I remember there was *zero* frame drop with Pentium Dual-Core E5200 2.5GHz (95% CPU usage, however).
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I'll take an A8-3550 on a good ITX board, thanks

I have a feeling just going by the numbers it will be the sweet spot of "enough power for everything besides my 4MP game rig" and "cheap".

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I'll take an A8-3550 on a good ITX board, thanks

I have a feeling just going by the numbers it will be the sweet spot of "enough power for everything besides my 4MP game rig" and "cheap".

The cheap part, I'm starting to wonder a bit given some newer rumors. If it costs more than the i3-2120, I'll probably give it a pass. Oh well, still hoping price will be around the same as Athlon II X4.
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I was wrong when I said that DXVA doesn't work with 1080p60. It does.

That basketball clip now should be a piece of cake for any modern powerful enough video card. It's only 10 Mb/s.

Here is one with 28 Mb/s
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3EBAWEWN
I believe it's from some consumer-grade Panasonic camera. mariner888 could tell better. I was testing 1080p60 and double 1080p resolution on my HD6850 back in January in this thread
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1285048&page=5
A lot changed since January.

At that time, Geforce GT 240 could not play any 1080p60 file. Now it can, with very little CPU usage. The only difference is the latest drivers.
HD6850 could play 28 Mb/s 1080p60 even at that time. But CPU usage was significant. It played smoothly with WMP + ffdshow as far as I could tell. MPC-HC didn't play it smooth - too obvious stutter, MPC-HC doesn't play it well even now with 11.2 Catalyst drivers. It is probably some splitter or codec issue.
But, now WMP + ffdshow play that 28 Mb/s 1080p60 file very smooth with 5% or less CPU. So, DXVA must work. I just tested it.

And now I have HP d1mz Zacate netbook. Forget about watching 1080p60 clips on E-350 with HD6310. Both basketball and my clip were slide shows. In both MPC-HC and WMP + ffdshow.
All this can be because of my wrong setup. But I tried to set up these 3 PCs identically, according to Shark007 and this forum. No problems displaying regular 24p content.

Let's hope AMD makes LLano GPU closer to HD6850 than HD6310 in terms of decoding power. I still think that if these were superb AMD would have leaked some solid data. Remember how Core 2 Duo benchmarks were leaked almost a year before the launch?
If you have HD65xx test it on these videos.
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I was wrong when I said that DXVA doesn't work with 1080p60. It does.

That basketball clip now should be a piece of cake for any modern powerful enough video card. It's only 10 Mb/s.

Lol, when I tried playing the basketball clip, I was wondering why jakmal mentioned it was difficult. Monitoring via GPU-Z, Video Engine Load on my E3300 3.3GHz + GT 430 desktop, Video Engine Load was less than 80% and CPU load was 25% or less. I guess driver improvements have helped with offloading the work.

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Here is one with 28 Mb/s
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=3EBAWEWN
I believe it's from some consumer-grade Panasonic camera. mariner888 could tell better. I was testing 1080p60 and double 1080p resolution on my HD6850 back in January in this thread
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1285048&page=5
A lot changed since January.

At that time, Geforce GT 240 could not play any 1080p60 file. Now it can, with very little CPU usage. The only difference is the latest drivers.
HD6850 could play 28 Mb/s 1080p60 even at that time. But CPU usage was significant. It played smoothly with WMP + ffdshow as far as I could tell. MPC-HC didn't play it smooth - too obvious stutter, MPC-HC doesn't play it well even now with 11.2 Catalyst drivers. It is probably some splitter or codec issue.
But, now WMP + ffdshow play that 28 Mb/s 1080p60 file very smooth with 5% or less CPU. So, DXVA must work. I just tested it.

And now I have HP d1mz Zacate netbook. Forget about watching 1080p60 clips on E-350 with HD6310. Both basketball and my clip were slide shows. In both MPC-HC and WMP + ffdshow.

Nah. Zacate just doesn't have the necessary CPU grunt to keep up. I've tried the Ginza Cat and Birds clip on it and while I couldn't monitor Video Engine Load via GPU-Z, CPU Load on Zacate was very high even with MPC-HC reporting DXVA was working.

On a GT 430 + E3300 3.33 GHz, Video Engine Load was at 90+% and MPC-HC CPU Load was at 30~35% while playing the Ginza Cat clip. On a GT 240 + i7-860 2.8 GHz, Video Engine Load was at 90+% and MPC-HC CPU Load was at 8~10%. Smooth playback on both.

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Let's hope AMD makes Llano GPU closer to HD6850 than HD6310 in terms of decoding power. I still think that if these were superb AMD would have leaked some solid data. Remember how Core 2 Duo benchmarks were leaked almost a year before the launch?
If you have HD65xx test it on these videos.

The GPU doesn't really need to be significantly better than the HD 6310. Llano just needs to have a better CPU than Zacate and it certainly has that. The best approximation for Llano's performance (A8 & A6), imho, is an Athlon II X4 paired with a Radeon HD 5550. Even if Llano's GPU are named HD 6000, these are based on Redwood graphics (HD 5500-5600). Alas, since it jumps directly from 80 stream processors (HD 6450) to 320 (HD 5550), it's a bit harder to approximate performance of the dual-core A4 Llano models with only 160 stream processors.
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Lol, when I tried playing the basketball clip, I was wondering why jakmal mentioned it was difficult. Monitoring via GPU-Z, Video Engine Load on my E3300 3.3GHz + GT 430 desktop, Video Engine Load was less than 80% and CPU load was 25% or less. I guess driver improvements have helped with offloading the work.


Nah. Zacate just doesn't have the necessary CPU grunt to keep up. I've tried the Ginza Cat and Birds clip on it and while I couldn't monitor Video Engine Load via GPU-Z, CPU Load on Zacate was very high even with MPC-HC reporting DXVA was working.

On a GT 430 + E3300 3.33 GHz, Video Engine Load was at 90+% and MPC-HC CPU Load was at 30~35% while playing the Ginza Cat clip. On a GT 240 + i7-860 2.8 GHz, Video Engine Load was at 90+% and MPC-HC CPU Load was at 8~10%. Smooth playback on both.


The GPU doesn't really need to be significantly better than the HD 6310. Llano just needs to have a better CPU than Zacate and it certainly has that. The best approximation for Llano's performance (A8 & A6), imho, is an Athlon II X4 paired with a Radeon HD 5550. Even if Llano's GPU are named HD 6000, these are based on Redwood graphics (HD 5500-5600). Alas, since it jumps directly from 80 stream processors (HD 6450) to 320 (HD 5550), it's a bit harder to approximate performance of the dual-core A4 Llano models with only 160 stream processors.

They are updated Redwood graphics cores to handle some newer features such as 3D unless I'm mistaken. Any news on when 1080p60 might go mainstream as far as broadcasting and movie rentals/streaming? The whole camcorder format is a real non issue to me, I'm just interested in network and Hollywood stuff. I'm kind of wondering if we wont see 60fps mainstream until 4K, both of which would require one hell of a network connection to stream over the net. Also I think I have heard that 30fps is kind of the line at which the human eye is maxed out, I know its the gold standard for gaming. Kind of makes you wonder why Hollywood chose 24fps instead of 30fps, I think I heard it was because of the cost of film which is now obsolete. So maybe anyone with an existing system should take a wait and see attitude?
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ECS announces a trio of AMD Llano-supporting (FM1) motherboards

Hudson D3 chipset

Native 4 USB 3.0 ports (with the aide of NEC Renesas) and 6 SATA 6Gb/s ports.


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Since the Hudson-D3 is "USB3.0 certified" I wonder if that means it'll have real USB3.0 headers on these motherboards.

 

 

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http://wccftech.com/2011/05/17/amd-l...aked-detailed/

"Another set of AMD Fusion based Llano Processors have been leaked and detailed. The new CPU’s include the Fusion C-60, E-300 and E-450 which will aim towards the notebook segment offering lower power consumption while giving top of the line performance which is detailed below. We reported another Llano Fusion chip “A8-3530MX” which will be AMD’s fastest APU (Accelerated Processing Unit) till 2012.

All Processors are manufactured using a a 40Nm Process and consists of C and E series Llano chips. The C Series consists of the C-60 Llano chip while the E-Series includes E350/E450 Processors. Moving on to details, The C-60 will be a Dual core chip consisting of two cores running at a clock speed of 1Ghz (Brazos Platform) which can Turbo up to 1.33Ghz featuring 1MB L2 Cache. The chip will feature Radeon HD 6290 which will include 80 Stream Processors and unlike the 6250 Graphics chip it would be able to utilize Turbo Core technology bumping the GPU clock speed from 276Mhz to 400Mhz. The chip consumes a total of 9W TDP.

The E-Series consists of the E-450 Llano chip which is the fastest APU belonging to the E-Series. Consuming a total TDP of 18W, It delivers a base clock of 1.65Ghz W/O Turbo Boost, 1MB L2 Cache. The main difference between the E350/E450 would be that the graphics core “Radeon HD 6320″ featuring 80 Stream Processors would be able to use Turbo core technology unlike the E-350. The boost will allow from 508 to 600Mhz. DDR3 Memory support is included in both chips.

AMD also plans to release a E-300 Llano chip which consumes the same 18W TDP, Core clock would be set at 1.3Ghz (Dual-Core) and will include integrated “Radeon HD 6310″ Graphics with core speed of 488Mhz. Not only this but an F-Series processors “F-350″ is most likely to be released by Q3 2011 while the ones detailed would be released in September.

- Fusion C-60: 1GHz w/Turbo 1.33GHz. Dual Core design, 9 Watt TDP, 1MB L2. Integrated Radeon HD 6290 GPU has 80 Radeon Cores, 276MHz base clock w/Turbo 400MHz.

- Fusion E-300: 1.3GHz, Dual Core design, 18 Watt TDP, 1MB L2. Integrated Radeon HD 6310 GPU has 80 Radeon Cores, 488MHz clock.

- Fusion E-450: 1.65GHz – Dual Core design, 18 Watt TDP, 1MB L2. Integrated Radeon HD 6320 GPU has 80 Radeon Cores, 508MHz base clock w/Turbo 600MHz."

 

 

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"Another set of AMD Fusion based Llano Processors have been leaked and detailed. The new CPU's include the Fusion C-60, E-300 and E-450 which will aim towards the notebook segment offering lower power consumption while giving top of the line performance which is detailed below. We reported another Llano Fusion chip A8-3530MX which will be AMD's fastest APU (Accelerated Processing Unit) till 2012.

All Processors are manufactured using a a 40Nm Process and consists of C and E series Llano chips. The C Series consists of the C-60 Llano chip while the E-Series includes E350/E450 Processors. Moving on to details, The C-60 will be a Dual core chip consisting of two cores running at a clock speed of 1Ghz (Brazos Platform) which can Turbo up to 1.33Ghz featuring 1MB L2 Cache. The chip will feature Radeon HD 6290 which will include 80 Stream Processors and unlike the 6250 Graphics chip it would be able to utilize Turbo Core technology bumping the GPU clock speed from 276Mhz to 400Mhz. The chip consumes a total of 9W TDP.

The E-Series consists of the E-450 Llano chip which is the fastest APU belonging to the E-Series. Consuming a total TDP of 18W, It delivers a base clock of 1.65Ghz W/O Turbo Boost, 1MB L2 Cache. The main difference between the E350/E450 would be that the graphics core Radeon HD 6320″ featuring 80 Stream Processors would be able to use Turbo core technology unlike the E-350. The boost will allow from 508 to 600Mhz. DDR3 Memory support is included in both chips.

AMD also plans to release a E-300 Llano chip which consumes the same 18W TDP, Core clock would be set at 1.3Ghz (Dual-Core) and will include integrated Radeon HD 6310″ Graphics with core speed of 488Mhz. Not only this but an F-Series processors F-350″ is most likely to be released by Q3 2011 while the ones detailed would be released in September.

- Fusion C-60: 1GHz w/Turbo 1.33GHz. Dual Core design, 9 Watt TDP, 1MB L2. Integrated Radeon HD 6290 GPU has 80 Radeon Cores, 276MHz base clock w/Turbo 400MHz.

- Fusion E-300: 1.3GHz, Dual Core design, 18 Watt TDP, 1MB L2. Integrated Radeon HD 6310 GPU has 80 Radeon Cores, 488MHz clock.

- Fusion E-450: 1.65GHz - Dual Core design, 18 Watt TDP, 1MB L2. Integrated Radeon HD 6320 GPU has 80 Radeon Cores, 508MHz base clock w/Turbo 600MHz."

From what I can tell, these are all zacate updates.
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From what I can tell, these are all zacate updates.

I think they're actually officially called "AMD Web 2.0 Black Vision Llano Fusion Bobcat Stars K10.5 Zacate Arriba Ole CPU/GPU/APU Thingy(tm)(c)(r)"

 

 

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The cheap part, I'm starting to wonder a bit given some newer rumors. If it costs more than the i3-2120, I'll probably give it a pass. Oh well, still hoping price will be around the same as Athlon II X4.

Need to look at more than just cpu vs cpu price, but the cpu+gpu+motherboard price. The former it will probably cost more, the latter is likely to be cheaper.

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Need to look at more than just cpu vs cpu price, but the cpu+gpu+motherboard price. The former it will probably cost more, the latter is likely to be cheaper.

See, that's the thing. H61/H67 motherboards aren't really all that expensive. You can get a decent LGA-1155 MB+i3-2100 for less than $200. Right now, I'm really digging the MSI H61M-E33 ($70) + Core i3-2100 pairing ($125) = $195.

Max I'm willing to pay for a quad-core Llano is $150. At that price, platform cost will probably already be a bit more than SB 2c using integrated graphics since I highly doubt we'll be seeing $50 socket FM1 motherboards upon release. If they price A6/A8 around $170~180, I'd rather go with H61 + i3-2100 + GT 430.
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Since the Hudson-D3 is "USB3.0 certified" I wonder if that means it'll have real USB3.0 headers on these motherboards.

Hudson-D3 chipset integrates a USB 3.0 controller for 4 USB 3.0 ports (either internal header or rear panel port). I am not sure what you mean by "real". If real = certified, then it's surely real.

NEC Renesas USB 3.0 controller had been the only controller certified by USB-IF for a long time. Recently two other controllers passed the certification (Fresco, ASMedia). Etron has not passed it yet. BTW AMD's USB 3.0 controller was co-developed with NEC Renesas.
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Hudson-D3 chipset integrates a USB 3.0 controller for 4 USB 3.0 ports (either internal header or rear panel port). I am not sure what you mean by "real". If real = certified, then it's surely real.

NEC Renesas USB 3.0 controller had been the only controller certified by USB-IF for a long time. Recently two other controllers passed the certification (Fresco, ASMedia). Etron has not passed it yet. BTW AMD's USB 3.0 controller was co-developed with NED Renesas.

I guess what I meant by "real" is "any". The cases I've built with that have USB3.0 connectors come with a cable you route out the back of the case to ports on the back of the motherboard. It will be nice if these new motherboards have internal USB3.0 headers instead. I refuse to have cables coming out the back of the case and plugged into the rear of the motherboard -- it's a total kludge.

I wonder too if a USB3.0 internal header will be backwards-compatible with USB2.0 cables on existing cases or if there will have to be all new cases that have the right cabling for USB3.0 ports.

 

 

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The implementation of internal USB 3.0 header is up to each motherboard manufacturer. I think 4 usually means 2 in rear and 2 internal.

The internal USB 3.0 header is a 2x10-pin connector like this. You can't connect a USB 2.0 port of your existing case to a USB 3.0 connector, at least for "SuperSpeed". You have to use a USB 3.0 port bay like this one:

Or mod your case and replace the USB 2.0 port by a USB 3.0 port.
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Any word if the Llano processors might have something comparable to Intel's QuickSync technology?

I understand not many programs currently use it, but I would imagine it could be pretty useful feature if/when implemented in HTPC related programs (ffmpeg, Handbrake, MakeMKV, etc)?

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Any word if the Llano processors might have something comparable to Intel's QuickSync technology?

The GPU portion should support ATI Stream (which has been available longer than QuickSync). Just not sure how well it performs.
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http://wccftech.com/2011/05/17/amd-l...aked-detailed/

"Another set of AMD Fusion based Llano Processors have been leaked and detailed. The new CPU’s include the Fusion C-60, E-300 and E-450 which will aim towards the notebook segment offering lower power consumption while giving top of the line performance which is detailed below. We reported another Llano Fusion chip “A8-3530MX” which will be AMD’s fastest APU (Accelerated Processing Unit) till 2012.

All Processors are manufactured using a a 40Nm Process and consists of C and E series Llano chips. The C Series consists of the C-60 Llano chip while the E-Series includes E350/E450 Processors. Moving on to details, The C-60 will be a Dual core chip consisting of two cores running at a clock speed of 1Ghz (Brazos Platform) which can Turbo up to 1.33Ghz featuring 1MB L2 Cache. The chip will feature Radeon HD 6290 which will include 80 Stream Processors and unlike the 6250 Graphics chip it would be able to utilize Turbo Core technology bumping the GPU clock speed from 276Mhz to 400Mhz. The chip consumes a total of 9W TDP.

The E-Series consists of the E-450 Llano chip which is the fastest APU belonging to the E-Series. Consuming a total TDP of 18W, It delivers a base clock of 1.65Ghz W/O Turbo Boost, 1MB L2 Cache. The main difference between the E350/E450 would be that the graphics core “Radeon HD 6320″ featuring 80 Stream Processors would be able to use Turbo core technology unlike the E-350. The boost will allow from 508 to 600Mhz. DDR3 Memory support is included in both chips.

AMD also plans to release a E-300 Llano chip which consumes the same 18W TDP, Core clock would be set at 1.3Ghz (Dual-Core) and will include integrated “Radeon HD 6310″ Graphics with core speed of 488Mhz. Not only this but an F-Series processors “F-350″ is most likely to be released by Q3 2011 while the ones detailed would be released in September.

- Fusion C-60: 1GHz w/Turbo 1.33GHz. Dual Core design, 9 Watt TDP, 1MB L2. Integrated Radeon HD 6290 GPU has 80 Radeon Cores, 276MHz base clock w/Turbo 400MHz.

- Fusion E-300: 1.3GHz, Dual Core design, 18 Watt TDP, 1MB L2. Integrated Radeon HD 6310 GPU has 80 Radeon Cores, 488MHz clock.

- Fusion E-450: 1.65GHz – Dual Core design, 18 Watt TDP, 1MB L2. Integrated Radeon HD 6320 GPU has 80 Radeon Cores, 508MHz base clock w/Turbo 600MHz."

I'm pretty certain the Llano APUs are fabbed by GF @ 32nm and the model numbers given are for APUs for the Brazos platforms. So, this article is mostly gibberish...

But it does seem like the launch of the Llano motherboards & APU is getting close.

Here's a link to a google translated Swedish web page for another microATX Llano MB:
http://translate.google.com/translat...el-fm1-pa-bild
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