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DigiTimes is usually not very reliable, but they seem to suggest that it will be Llano notebooks which will appear first followed by desktop models later:

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20110523PD215.html

The table in the above link talks about pricing for the desktop models which we have already discussed above.

I remember an article about a 35W TDP processor with a 6620G IGP.. may be that is what will hit us next month

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The following Turkish website has had a number of leaks on Llano. The most recent link has a table that lists clock speeds for mobile Llano. This table also includes the "35W TDP processor with a 6620G IGP" that Jakmal mentioned above:

http://www.donanimhaber.com/islemci/...detaylandi.htm
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Apparently Intel updated it's price list with the previously alluded to SandyBridge Pentiums:

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/20991

The lowest cost part is the $64 2.6 GHz, 2 thread capable Pentium G620, with a TDP of 65W. This part also comes in a $70 low power 35W , 2.2GHz flavor w/35W TDP.

I'm not familiar at all with Intel's current graphics, but the prices are attractive to me.

Competition is good...
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Apparently Intel updated it's price list with the previously alluded to SandyBridge Pentiums:

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/20991

The lowest cost part is the $64 2.6 GHz, 2 thread capable Pentium G620, with a TDP of 65W. This part also comes in a $70 low power 35W , 2.2GHz flavor w/35W TDP.

I'm not familiar at all with Intel's current graphics, but the prices are attractive to me.

Competition is good...

So does the pentium come with some of the graphics features disabled? If not thats a pretty good deal.
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So does the pentium come with some of the graphics features disabled? If not thats a pretty good deal.

That's a good question, and as I stated earlier all I know bout Intel's graphics is that they've gotten better.

The only information that I found on Intel's web site was minimal (HD 2000 graphics) and contradicted non-Intel site info. The contradiction was the base clock speed for the G620 (NOT T) graphics. Intel states in the link below that both G620 flavors have the same 650 MHz base clock.

http://www.intel.com/support/process...tm?wapkw=(g620)

Other sites state 850 MHz.
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Competition is good...

Yep. Kinda hoping this will reduce Llano's prices a bit. To me, the dual-core prices are $10~20 too high (unless motherboard prices are lower to compensate). Sure, AMD's graphics is better, but Intel's graphics is "good enough". I'd rather go for better CPU and worse graphics than worse CPU and better graphics. It's much easier to add/replace a video card than it is replacing the CPU.

We also have the release of Celeron Sandy Bridge to look forward to later this year.

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So does the pentium come with some of the graphics features disabled? If not thats a pretty good deal.

Most likely. QuickSync is definitely out and so is HyperThreading. Likely 3D, too. We still don't know about HD audio bitstreaming but I think they'll be keeping HD decode acceleration. We'll know for sure when someone tests these.
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Most likely. QuickSync is definitely out and so is HyperThreading. Likely 3D, too. We still don't know about HD audio bitstreaming but I think they'll be keeping HD decode acceleration. We'll know for sure when someone tests these.

Is QuickSync used when you're just playing back a video?
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Is QuickSync used when you're just playing back a video?

Nah. Just transcoding/encoding and only with select (usually commercial) software.
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Nah. Just transcoding/encoding and only with select (usually commercial) software.

Thx.

So, what clock speed LLano do you think the 2.6 GHz G620 would roughly match in CPU performance?
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So, what clock speed LLano do you think the 2.6 GHz G620 would roughly match in CPU performance?

Well, someone with access to both Core i3 Sandy Bridge and Athlon II X2 can answer that. Just need to disable HyperThreading for the i3 and lower the multiplier in the BIOS.
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So, what clock speed LLano do you think the 2.6 GHz G620 would roughly match in CPU performance?

Possibly more than 3GHz, unless AMD optimized it significantly. AFAIK Phenom IIs have similar performance as full Core 2 Duo clock-per-clock.
Here in Cinebench 10 2.6GHz Pentium G620 gets scores very close to Core 2 Duo E8500 (3.16Ghz)
http://translate.google.com/translat...owentry%3D2340

Not sure if Sandy Bridge Pentiums have been released or not. Everybody is saying that it happened yesterday. But there are no reviews and links on Intel site are broken.
http://www.intel.com/support/process...?wapkw=%28g620

And here they say "Pentium doesn't support 3D acceleration, and doesn't accommodate such features as Quick Sync video, InTru 3D and Intel Clear video technology". "G620 doesn't include AES and AVX instructions"
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Pentiu...um%20G620.html
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Possibly more than 3GHz, unless AMD optimized it significantly. AFAIK Phenom IIs have similar performance as full Core 2 Duo clock-per-clock.
Here in Cinebench 10 2.6GHz Pentium G620 gets scores very close to Core 2 Duo E8500 (3.16Ghz)
http://translate.google.com/translat...owentry%3D2340

Not sure if Sandy Bridge Pentiums have been released or not. Everybody is saying that it happened yesterday. But there are no reviews and links on Intel site are broken.
http://www.intel.com/support/process...?wapkw=%28g620

And here they say "Pentium doesn't support 3D acceleration, and doesn't accommodate such features as Quick Sync video, InTru 3D and Intel Clear video technology". "G620 doesn't include AES and AVX instructions"
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Pentiu...um%20G620.html

Thx: I have a few recent AMD CPUs so that's a decent comparison.

Ilovejedd states that 5/22 has been Intel's announce release date since February.

Intel.com still has only two references to G620 via Intel's search engine (and one claims Intel has no compatible MBs), but NE has the G620 (w/ a 200MHz higher GPU base freq than Intel.com) in stock for $78.

So at least I could attempt a paper comparison between G620 & Llano.
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I was reading through the thread and saw that you will need a mobo for the APUs? is that correct? I thought that like E350s it will be a integrated platform and not a CPU by itself...
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I was reading through the thread and saw that you will need a mobo for the APUs? is that correct? I thought that like E350s it will be a integrated platform and not a CPU by itself...

These are basically replacing the Athlon II and low end Phenom II CPU lineups
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Both Llano and Zacate are APU (CPU+GPU on the same die). The difference is that Zacate APU is soldered to the mb (because of "Ball Grid Array" socket), meaning that APU+mb are sold as a set, while you can (and have to) buy a Llano APU and a A75 mb separately.

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Readers who are eager to get hold two of the latest AMD products, namely the APU for Socket FM1 might be delayed to a later date which will most likely coincide with the launch date of the 8 core Bulldozer.

Computex Taipei 2011 will showcase these two series of boards but they will most likely be static displays as engineering CPUs are still quite limited.

I hope this is a false rumor.

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I hope this is a false rumor.

Thx again.

I could believe this rumor, especially since "we" haven't seen leaked CPU speeds for any of the desktop parts. From what you've seen on Intel's 2.8 GHz G840/G620 performance and other comments, I'm assuming the desktop Llanos have to be in 3+GHz range to compete with the new SB Pentiums.

Isn't this AMD's first product using GF's 32 nm process??

Pure speculation: Maybe they're able to yield the lower clock speed M parts (for laptops), but do not have a sufficient yield for the higher clock desktop Llanos.

Definitely time to look closer at the AM3+ socketed 880G/890GX-SB850 or the PSB Pentium w/H67...
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Dunno why the leaked photos have been of fancy ATX MBs (ignoring that Chinese mini-ITX)

http://translate.google.com/translat...4H-gorundu.htm
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Thx. The greek -> english translation is pretty good. The photos are good and high resolution. Seems to be a nice looking, well featured board. Interesting how the best leaks are coming from the eastern end of the Mediterranean.

He claims the ethernet chip is a full blown controller (I could not read the part #), so Giagabyte is dedicating one of the PCIe x1 to the Realteck RTL8111E.


Q: Have anybody seen any follow-up on the OCworkbench rumor that the Llano APUs are significantly delayed?
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What I found today (was on a different computer, don't know the URL, sorry) was that BullDozer (FX) was going to be delayed. This was viewed as a problem for AMD, as newer high end Sandy Bridge releases were to take the steam out of a late FX announce.

My understanding is Computex will pretty much be mobile chip announcements, with desktop Llano later in June, at least for the US market (although I forgot which show, what date).

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Edit - here is the link: http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-s...t-202051.shtml

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What I found today (was on a different computer, don't know the URL, sorry) was that BullDozer (FX) was going to be delayed. This was viewed as a problem for AMD, as newer high end Sandy Bridge releases were to take the steam out of a late FX announce.

My understanding is Computex will pretty much be mobile chip announcements, with desktop Llano later in June, at least for the US market (although I forgot which show, what date).

Rich

Edit - here is the link: http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-s...t-202051.shtml

Thanks.

AMD has a "VISION Technology from AMD" marketing page up regarding the 3DMark Vantage Performance of their "Torpedo" reference platform using specific A4, A6 & A8 mobile APUs.
I don't know how long this page has been up or if it's been mentioned in this thread before.

Nonetheless, the performance numbers in this marketing page are:
A4-3300M - P1625
A6-3410MX - P1882
A8-3510MX - P2842

Source is here:
http://sites.amd.com/us/vision/promo...isclaimer.aspx
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Apparently the AMD Vision graphics performance page I mentioned above was fairly fresh because it's being mentioned as new news on the web. AMD removed the graphics performance results from that page, but it's been put into captured on this Softpedia page with links to the removed AMD information and a handy table of Llano Mobile features.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-P...s-202589.shtml

The AMD web page for the actual 6/1 press conference in Taipei is linked below, claiming "2 days to go". Dunno how it's two days to go, international date line or not:

http://www.amdcomputex.com.tw/

PS: Does the Llano mean that AMD has ended their development of IGPs in the chip(set), i.e. is the 890GX the last and best IGP chip(set) AMD will make?
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In addition, this site has leaked (or good fake) "pre-launch press tour" slides. The focus is Mobile and the information is consistent with what has been leaked before.

http://www.ngohq.com/home.php?page=a...ead&arc_id=154
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Thx.

What's your interpretation of the June 27th launch?
Mobile?
Desktop (even though we haven't seen any CPU clock speed listings)?
Both?

AND

Does Llano mean the end of IGP chipset development?
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Perhaps mobile only. AMD 980G (north bridge + GPU) is still planned for Zambezi (will be launched after 990FX and 970).

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This Chinese forum has alleged CPU-Z screenshots, @ 4 GHz, along with interesting translation, such as

"If it is true, ah, other assessments, the way the sofa ~"
Maybe something to ponder with a beer in the backyard, while admiring the flowers:

http://diybbs.zol.com.cn/10/11_99185.html
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Perhaps mobile only. AMD 980G (north bridge + GPU) is still planned for Zambezi (will be launched after 990FX and 970).

Thx: all I had seen were the 990FX.

Can you make any sense out of the Chinese forum I linked above?
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GIGABYTE GA-A75M-UD2H AMD A75 chipset microATX mb is pictured. This is very different from those at the Greek site!

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