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Hi All,

I'm getting close to finally biting the bullet, ditching my TiVo, and going with a Windows Media center PC. Terrific... but.... Windows 8 is just around the corner. Has MSFT committed to Media Center for Windows 8? If they haven't, i'm a bit concerned, given all the $200 streamer boxes around. It seems like a great platform, but I don't want to commit if it isn't going to be developed further. Just wondering what you've all heard!
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Well Windows 8 is still a ways off yet. Plus, do you really want to buy Windows right away? Heck no. Wisdom says wait until SP1 or at least wait 6 months. So you're talking 2013 at that point.

Windows 7 Media Center will be here a LONGGGG time. Don't be worried about an OS that is probably 2 yrs out before one should consider it. And that assumes it actually ships in a year.

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Well Windows 8 is still a ways off yet. Plus, do you really want to buy Windows right away? Heck no. Wisdom says wait until SP1 or at least wait 6 months. So you're talking 2013 at that point.

Windows 7 Media Center will be here a LONGGGG time. Don't be worried about an OS that is probably 2 yrs out before one should consider it. And that assumes it actually ships in a year.

While that's good advice, i'm still just curious about MSFT's commitment to the media center platform - i'll probably build one regardless - just curiuos
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While that's good advice, i'm still just curious about MSFT's commitment to the media center platform - i'll probably build one regardless - just curiuos

Nobody knows. Their commitment is always on "the edge". But WMC still works in XP let alone Vista. And if for some reason they kill it, including in older versions of Windows there are still alternatives like SageTV, XBMC and so forth.

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Windows will not kill off Media Center. In Windows 7 they went the extra difficult step to get CableLabs to certify their OS so they could do cable cards...they would not waste that time, money, and effort by killing it off so quickly.

Also, Microsoft promised never to go back to the super long times between OSs, so expect one sooner than later. And no need to wait for SP1 before using a new OS from Microsoft...it isn't the 90s any more.
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It will be interesting to see how WMC evolves in Windows 8, now that Microsoft has announced their intentions to develop streaming boxes built with WMC.

If the wind up sharing the same code, we could see a lot of new features in 8MC.
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And no need to wait for SP1 before using a new OS from Microsoft...it isn't the 90s any more.

Truest statement I've read all day.
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I'd at least say it isn't the 2000s anymore. Vista had it's share of driver issues.
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Well Windows 8 is still a ways off yet. Plus, do you really want to buy Windows right away? Heck no. Wisdom says wait until SP1 or at least wait 6 months. So you're talking 2013 at that point.

Windows 7 Media Center will be here a LONGGGG time. Don't be worried about an OS that is probably 2 yrs out before one should consider it. And that assumes it actually ships in a year.

Windows eight could be out in as little as 10 months, sometime in '12 though.

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Apparently Media Center development has been shifted to the Windows Embedded team to allow set-top box manufacturers to use it, and to give them more flexibility. Windows Embedded 7 Standard includes Media Center, and is effectively a modularised Windows 7.

I don't think MS have killed MC - but whether it is being developed and improved for Windows 8 is an interesting question.

(I've just downloaded an evaluation image of Win Embedded 7 Standard to see how it works. Threads at TGB suggest it is a neater and faster solution than Win 7 HP)
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With one of the big pushes for Win 8 being a touch friendly interface Media Center makes a great starting point for a WMP replacement.

And with Media Center's Metro interface spreading out into the rest of Windows there doesn't appear to be any logic to killing it or much of an indication that they're planning to.
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I'd at least say it isn't the 2000s anymore. Vista had it's share of driver issues.
Yea, I'd say the 2000s as well. XP was pretty flaky until SP1, some would even say SP2 then it was (and still is) pretty rock solid. Vista was a disaster at launch and even service packs couldn't save it.

Windows 7, totally different story. Pretty stable at release and even I built a PC with it only 5 months after launch.

Then again Win 7 was basically Vista with a huge service pack. LOL

If (big IF) Win 8 follows the same trend as Win 7 then it should be pretty solid on release. But Microsoft obviously doesn't have a good track record, only one solid release in 20 years.

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Yea, I'd say the 2000s as well. XP was pretty flaky until SP1, some would even say SP2 then it was (and still is) pretty rock solid. Vista was a disaster at launch and even service packs couldn't save it.

Windows 7, totally different story. Pretty stable at release and even I built a PC with it only 5 months after launch.

Then again Win 7 was basically Vista with a huge service pack. LOL

If (big IF) Win 8 follows the same trend as Win 7 then it should be pretty solid on release. But Microsoft obviously doesn't have a good track record, only one solid release in 20 years.
That's not tru, they've had a solid release every other time. It's happened that way since the first release. So if it continues that pattern then windows 8 is going to be Vista part 2. I.think the trend will end though and windows 8 will be the best release yet.

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That's not tru, they've had a solid release every other time.
Well, being in IT support for over 20 years I beg to differ that Windows has ever had a solid release outside of Win 7.

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Yeah, you guys are right. The 2000s it is.

Though I remember a HUGE issue with XP SP1 not working with many common NICs in its first iteration. That was frustrating.
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A decent portion of the things you guys are complaining about are not on MS, W7 was solid because it didn't use a new driver model. XP and Vista were rough out of the gate since it was a change in driver model and the suppliers had a learning curve. If W8 = new driver model expect problems, if not then it will be smooth like W7.
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Yeah, you guys are right. The 2000s it is.

Though I remember a HUGE issue with XP SP1 not working with many common NICs in its first iteration. That was frustrating.
Ah yes, I remember that issue. Wow that was a mess.

It's also why most big companies wait at least a couple years after OS release before even thinking about a rollout. My company (100K+ users) is still on XP and they aren't even thinking of doing testing on Win 7 until 2012 for a 2013 release perhaps. Heck, we just got everyone in IE7 because so many network Intranet apps will only run on IE6 (shudder) and nobody has any money to upgrade them. If it were up to me we'd all be on Win 7 with Firefox/Chrome but nobody listens to me.

Things go slow (and for good reason) in corporate life.

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Well, being in IT support for over 20 years I beg to differ that Windows has ever had a solid release outside of Win 7.
I was just watching a tech show(il try to find it to post) where they were talking about Microsofts releases over the past few decades and they were saying every other release since the first had been bad,good, bad, good. In terms of good stability and sales or poor sales and tech problems.

I just did a couple Google searches for "windows stable releases" and "least stable releases" you'll get some varying answers. I think with you being in tech support kind of answers the question. That's all you deal with is peoples problems with OS, so of course your going to think their all trouble filled since that's all you see and deal with.

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I'd at least say it isn't the 2000s anymore. Vista had it's share of driver issues.
Just like XP did when it first came out (nobody seems to remember that); in fact, the launch of XP was worse. And just like XP, how is that Microsoft's fault? MS actually extended the lead time for driver developers with Vista precisely so they would not have the fiasco that they had with XP pre-SP1. The fact that hardware companies chose to ignore that lead time is a pill that needs to be swallowed by the hardware companies, not Microsoft.

Vista was not another Windows ME regardless of how many people want to believe that.
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Yeah, you guys are right. The 2000s it is.

Though I remember a HUGE issue with XP SP1 not working with many common NICs in its first iteration. That was frustrating.

Don't forget the XP SP3 (I think) release that bricked many a HP notebook.
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Well, being in IT support for over 20 years I beg to differ that Windows has ever had a solid release outside of Win 7.

NT4 was a pretty solid release. WFW 3.11 and its Win 3.1 were both also pretty rocking.
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Ah yes, I remember that issue. Wow that was a mess.

It's also why most big companies wait at least a couple years after OS release before even thinking about a rollout. My company (100K+ users) is still on XP and they aren't even thinking of doing testing on Win 7 until 2012 for a 2013 release perhaps. Heck, we just got everyone in IE7 because so many network Intranet apps will only run on IE6 (shudder) and nobody has any money to upgrade them. If it were up to me we'd all be on Win 7 with Firefox/Chrome but nobody listens to me.

Things go slow (and for good reason) in corporate life.
That brings back bad memories. I'm glad to not be an admin any more. I started in 2005 and we went to XP in 2006. It went smoothly until IE7 rolled out. That sucked because so many apps weren't compatible (same intranet crap).

I don't miss that at all.
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It doesn't seem like MS is looking to drop Media Center, considering they are pushing for MC use in other markets (set top boxes), so I doubt it will be going away.


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MS actually extended the lead time for driver developers with Vista precisely so they would not have the fiasco that they had with XP pre-SP1. The fact that hardware companies chose to ignore that lead time is a pill that needs to be swallowed by the hardware companies, not Microsoft.

Vista was not another Windows ME regardless of how many people want to believe that.


So, all the bloat and excess memory use and constant "are you sure" confirmations every time you clicked your mouse was the fault of 3rd party developers? Right.... LOL

Vista wasn't too bad compared to XP but after using W7 I'd recommend you buy W7 before installing a copy of Vista you already own.

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NT4 was a pretty solid release. WFW 3.11 and its Win 3.1 were both also pretty rocking.

True on NT4 and Win 2000. But those weren't consumer OS's. Although I ran Win 2K at home forever until I was pretty much forced into XP because of new games that wouldn't run on 2K.

Win 3.0 wasn't good at all. Wasn't until they patched it with 3.1/3.11 WFW was it solid. So in a way 3.1 was actually SP1 for 3.0. LOL

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It doesn't seem like MS is looking to drop Media Center, considering they are pushing for MC use in other markets (set top boxes), so I doubt it will be going away.

So, all the bloat and excess memory use and constant "are you sure" confirmations every time you clicked your mouse was the fault of 3rd party developers? Right.... LOL

Vista wasn't too bad compared to XP but after using W7 I'd recommend you buy W7 before installing a copy of Vista you already own.

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So, all the bloat and excess memory use and constant "are you sure" confirmations every time you clicked your mouse was the fault of 3rd party developers? Right.... LOL

Wow! Way to read stuff that I never wrote. I was talking about driver (or lack thereof) issues in direct response to a quote about driver issues. UAC/memory usage was not part of the discussion at the time. In fact, I'm pretty sure I specified "driver developers" and not the more general term "3rd party developers".

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MS actually extended the lead time for driver developers ...

Yup, I sure did.

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Vista wasn't too bad compared to XP but after using W7 I'd recommend you buy W7 before installing a copy of Vista you already own.

Not once have I ever recommended Vista over Win7.
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Next year. I'd guess WMC would be retained in specific builds. With the tablet pc highlighted, would it be included for tablets?
http://www.dailytech.com/Ballmer+Win...ticle21710.htm

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Next year. I'd guess WMC would be retained in specific builds. With the tablet pc highlighted, would it be included for tablets?
http://www.dailytech.com/Ballmer+Win...ticle21710.htm

I hope so. It would finally be a push for them to incorporate SoftSled technology. It would also be awesome if they gave the tablets the ability to work like a SideShow remote.
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I hope so. It would finally be a push for them to incorporate SoftSled technology. It would also be awesome if they gave the tablets the ability to work like a SideShow remote.

Yes, Softsled would be a HUGE improvement
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It was interesting to hear that MC was mentioned during the D9 presentation on Windows 8.



It is also interesting to know that the main Win 8 interface is a descendant of the original MC interface, later updated in Zune HD, then Win 7 phone.
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