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gsr's Avatar gsr 11:47 AM 07-17-2014
^ When you say your budget is $300 to $450, it's not clear what you currently have, so it's difficult to give you any sort of suggestions. Do you already have a PC you can use for this and the budget is just for things like the sound cards that would be needed or does the budget also need to include purchasing a PC? If it needs to include purchasing a PC AND sound cards to cover enough channels to drive a surround sound system AND a separate stereo system, and quality is important, then I think you're out of luck as just a low end PC will use up the bulk of your budget.

Martycool007's Avatar Martycool007 06:39 AM 07-19-2014
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^ When you say your budget is $300 to $450, it's not clear what you currently have, so it's difficult to give you any sort of suggestions. Do you already have a PC you can use for this and the budget is just for things like the sound cards that would be needed or does the budget also need to include purchasing a PC? If it needs to include purchasing a PC AND sound cards to cover enough channels to drive a surround sound system AND a separate stereo system, and quality is important, then I think you're out of luck as just a low end PC will use up the bulk of your budget.
No, I already have a laptop and desk top, so the computer part is covered. Might be able to tweak my budget aa needed. I have my music stored on a 2TB drive, and a Asus sound card. My budget could go double that!
VINYLFREAK4's Avatar VINYLFREAK4 06:01 PM 07-21-2014
Does JRiver Media Center support recording HD from Dish Network with a Hauppauge HDPVR??
dlbeck's Avatar dlbeck 06:18 PM 07-21-2014
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Does JRiver Media Center support recording HD from Dish Network with a Hauppauge HDPVR??
Not sure but I'm using the Hauppauge and recording with Directv.
VINYLFREAK4's Avatar VINYLFREAK4 06:36 PM 07-21-2014
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Not sure but I'm using the Hauppauge and recording with Directv.
So just to be clear..... you are using an HDPVR and JRiver Media Center to record DirectTV HD content?
How do you configure the channel changing function of the Direct TV box??
dlbeck's Avatar dlbeck 07:10 PM 07-21-2014
Well I do have a Directv PVR but I don't use it to record - all shows are recorded to my internal hard drives on my PC. You need a windows media center remote control and IR blaster that is connected from the PC to the directv box. There is a setup wizard in JRiver to learn the commands (numbers) that allows JRiver to change channels. Then you can use JRiver to schedule the recordings just like a PVR. It's not the easiest thing to setup but once you get it done it works well.
VINYLFREAK4's Avatar VINYLFREAK4 08:12 PM 07-21-2014
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Well I do have a Directv PVR but I don't use it to record - all shows are recorded to my internal hard drives on my PC. You need a windows media center remote control and IR blaster that is connected from the PC to the directv box. There is a setup wizard in JRiver to learn the commands (numbers) that allows JRiver to change channels. Then you can use JRiver to schedule the recordings just like a PVR. It's not the easiest thing to setup but once you get it done it works well.
Ok Great! Info!
I have been a long time Windows Media Center user. (About 9 years now) But the Hauppauge HDPVR does Not integrate well with WMC. That's why I was hoping JRiver might work better with the HDPVR. I could never get the channel changing working correctly with my Dish receiver with WMC. I already use an IR blaster with a media center remote with WMC. I will give JRiver a shot. I just wanted to see if anyone else had got the HDPVR to work with JRiver. Thanks again for the info!
jkkwaz's Avatar jkkwaz 11:57 AM 07-26-2014
Hey guys,

Starting to get the hang of jriver. Love the EQ options. I am using jriver on my HTPC with HDMI out to my Denon x4000. I have bitstreaming turned off so I can use the DSP functions, but I have a question. What should I be using for volume options? Disabled, system, application, or internal? When I boost some frequencies in the EQ, it gives me a net gain so I am turning down the preamp slider to prevent clipping, but that is bringing down the overall volume so I am not calibrated to reference anymore. Any ideas about what the proper setting is here?
highd3f's Avatar highd3f 01:31 PM 07-27-2014
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What should I be using for volume options? Disabled, system, application, or internal?

If you're using WASAPI (direct connection) I believe the proper setting is Volume Disabled. You control volume on you receiver. Also, bitstreaming is only for DD/DTS and other multichannel codecs. That way your Denon decodes audio and it doesn't effect your EQ settings for PCM audio.
jkkwaz's Avatar jkkwaz 04:45 PM 07-27-2014
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If you're using WASAPI (direct connection) I believe the proper setting is Volume Disabled. You control volume on you receiver. Also, bitstreaming is only for DD/DTS and other multichannel codecs. That way your Denon decodes audio and it doesn't effect your EQ settings for PCM audio.
Thanks! And what do you mean by EQ settings for PCM audio? Are you talking about EQ settings in jriver?
highd3f's Avatar highd3f 01:47 AM 07-28-2014
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Thanks! And what do you mean by EQ settings for PCM audio? Are you talking about EQ settings in jriver?

I wanted to say that you can leave bitsreaming (HDMI) ticked. Your EQ settings won't have effect on DD/DTS audio, only on MP3, M4A, FLAC files. Correct me if I'm wrong.
jkkwaz's Avatar jkkwaz 12:59 PM 07-28-2014
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I wanted to say that you can leave bitsreaming (HDMI) ticked. Your EQ settings won't have effect on DD/DTS audio, only on MP3, M4A, FLAC files. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Interesting point. Not sure if that is true or not. However, I have not been bitstreaming because I am wanting the eq to be in use for dts-ma listening as well because I am trying to add a little midbass boost.

I have a question about reference level with jriver. I have found a lot of discussion but no real conclusion as far as what is the best method for calibrating to reference. I would think you would set volume to internal volume and set it to 100%, or choose disabled volume, and in both cases set the AVR volume to 0. Then play the jriver test tones and set them to 83 with the internal volume slider and be done. Does this make sense? Can anyone point me to a practical guide on doing this with an AVR in the signal chain?
Martycool007's Avatar Martycool007 07:25 AM 07-29-2014
So after doing a bit more research wrt JRiver I am now interested in using JRiver in place of both my receiver, going straight into my amps, and also replacing my BluRay player. I want to have the ability to stream music to my 2-channel setup in my living room, and have a full 5.4 theater setup in my theater room that will be used solely for movies, mostly BluRays. I also want the control of EQ'ing my LCR's and subs independently, and possibly use JRiver as an active crossover for a future project.

With that being said, Let me see if I got this right on the hardware side of things: I know that I would need a sound card added to either my Acer Desk Top or Samsung laptop. It would need of have 5.1 outputs, but, I am unsure how to get the signal to my 2-channel setup in a different room? Do I need another sound card for that? I have all of the existing amplifiers. I will need a BluRay drive, and software to convert to MKV, as well as some type of multi-channel DAC, right?

If some of you more knowledgable JRiver gurus could help me figure out how to do the above and use JRiver in place of a receiver and/or pre /pro please chime in! Thanks in advanced for anyone who takes the time to respond!
Hisma's Avatar Hisma 07:35 AM 07-29-2014
can jriver record live TV to a network folder? Such as a NAS?

wmc can't do this, and I want to know if jriver can... since I prefer to have my media centrally located.
dlbeck's Avatar dlbeck 09:03 AM 07-29-2014
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So after doing a bit more research wrt JRiver I am now interested in using JRiver in place of both my receiver, going straight into my amps, and also replacing my BluRay player. I want to have the ability to stream music to my 2-channel setup in my living room, and have a full 5.4 theater setup in my theater room that will be used solely for movies, mostly BluRays. I also want the control of EQ'ing my LCR's and subs independently, and possibly use JRiver as an active crossover for a future project.

With that being said, Let me see if I got this right on the hardware side of things: I know that I would need a sound card added to either my Acer Desk Top or Samsung laptop. It would need of have 5.1 outputs, but, I am unsure how to get the signal to my 2-channel setup in a different room? Do I need another sound card for that? I have all of the existing amplifiers. I will need a BluRay drive, and software to convert to MKV, as well as some type of multi-channel DAC, right?

If some of you more knowledgable JRiver gurus could help me figure out how to do the above and use JRiver in place of a receiver and/or pre /pro please chime in! Thanks in advanced for anyone who takes the time to respond!
Martycool - I am doing all these things with a MCh DAC and 15 separate channels. You can browse the Savoy build thread for more info.
dlbeck's Avatar dlbeck 09:06 AM 07-29-2014
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can jriver record live TV to a network folder? Such as a NAS?

wmc can't do this, and I want to know if jriver can... since I prefer to have my media centrally located.
Hisma - yes you can do this and I record to my internal hard drives but you can also record to NAS devices such as the Synology Diskstations which I use.
Hisma's Avatar Hisma 10:08 AM 07-29-2014
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Hisma - yes you can do this and I record to my internal hard drives but you can also record to NAS devices such as the Synology Diskstations which I use.
That is good to know.

Do you have to be inside the app for recordings to take place? Or can it run a service in the background that automatically records shows as long as the PC is on?

I am thinking of seriously ditching XBMC and replacing it with JRiver. JRiver natively supports madvr, and for that reason alone it is superior to xbmc. I'm just not a fan of the built-in video rendering in xbmc.

One last thing... can you change key mappings for mce remote? I tried the other day and for some reason it seemed options were very limited (I've only tested live tv so far). For instance, pressing "stop" does not actually stop live TV. It does nothing.
Spanglo's Avatar Spanglo 10:36 AM 07-29-2014
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So after doing a bit more research wrt JRiver I am now interested in using JRiver in place of both my receiver, going straight into my amps, and also replacing my BluRay player. I want to have the ability to stream music to my 2-channel setup in my living room, and have a full 5.4 theater setup in my theater room that will be used solely for movies, mostly BluRays. I also want the control of EQ'ing my LCR's and subs independently, and possibly use JRiver as an active crossover for a future project.

With that being said, Let me see if I got this right on the hardware side of things: I know that I would need a sound card added to either my Acer Desk Top or Samsung laptop. It would need of have 5.1 outputs, but, I am unsure how to get the signal to my 2-channel setup in a different room? Do I need another sound card for that? I have all of the existing amplifiers. I will need a BluRay drive, and software to convert to MKV, as well as some type of multi-channel DAC, right?

If some of you more knowledgable JRiver gurus could help me figure out how to do the above and use JRiver in place of a receiver and/or pre /pro please chime in! Thanks in advanced for anyone who takes the time to respond!
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desertdome's Avatar desertdome 11:47 AM 07-29-2014
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Do you have to be inside the app for recordings to take place? Or can it run a service in the background that automatically records shows as long as the PC is on?
A background service will run that will automatically record shows and will wake the PC from sleep if necessary.

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One last thing... can you change key mappings for mce remote? I tried the other day and for some reason it seemed options were very limited (I've only tested live tv so far). For instance, pressing "stop" does not actually stop live TV. It does nothing.
I don't have the MCE remote. Many use their Android or iOS device for control these days. You can download JRiver and use it for 30 days without having to buy it. This will let you check out key mappings and other things.
Hisma's Avatar Hisma 12:39 PM 07-29-2014
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A background service will run that will automatically record shows and will wake the PC from sleep if necessary.


I don't have the MCE remote. Many use their Android or iOS device for control these days. You can download JRiver and use it for 30 days without having to buy it. This will let you check out key mappings and other things.
Thanks for the info. I am already trialing it, but I haven't even tried to put it through it's paces yet... only used it sparsely, and found it a bit cumbersome to set it, so haven't given it much of a chance. However, I started playing with it again over the past couple days, and I'm growing to like it.
mikeo24's Avatar mikeo24 10:56 AM 07-30-2014
Hi,

I noticed when EQ'ing my Left and Right channels individually it affects the Center. I would like to EQ the Left and Right separately so it hasn't influenced the Center, is this possible? Each speaker is selected by itself in the Channels column. Not sure what I'm doing wrong here. Audio Device set to ASio and Bitstreaming set to none. Any help would be appreciated, Thanks!
desertdome's Avatar desertdome 12:25 PM 07-30-2014
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Hi,

I noticed when EQ'ing my Left and Right channels individually it affects the Center. I would like to EQ the Left and Right separately so it hasn't influenced the Center, is this possible? Each speaker is selected by itself in the Channels column. Not sure what I'm doing wrong here. Audio Device set to ASio and Bitstreaming set to none. Any help would be appreciated, Thanks!
How many channels are you outputting in Output Format?
mikeo24's Avatar mikeo24 02:39 PM 07-30-2014
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How many are you outputting in Output Format?
I'm outputting 5.1 channels. Okay I see where i went wrong. All good now, Thanks.
jriver's Avatar jriver 05:15 PM 07-30-2014
We will be starting to release early builds of MC20 in a few weeks. At the beginning of each cycle, we offer an early bird price. It's $18.98 until August 10. More here:

Windows:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=90654.0

Mac:
http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=90671.0

Thanks very much for your support.

Jim Hillegass
JRiver
|Tch0rT|'s Avatar |Tch0rT| 07:06 PM 07-30-2014
Having bought JRiver in March of this year and now there's an upgrade that will cost $19 (for the next 11 days *sigh*)... is less than ideal.
MIkeDuke's Avatar MIkeDuke 07:45 PM 07-30-2014
18 has served me well so I may stick with it. I don't know what the solid benefits that I would "need" if I go to 20. I am guessing that even if I wanted to, I could not go to 20. I assume that I would have to buy 19 first. Is that correct?
jriver's Avatar jriver 08:11 PM 07-30-2014
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18 has served me well so I may stick with it. I don't know what the solid benefits that I would "need" if I go to 20. I am guessing that even if I wanted to, I could not go to 20. I assume that I would have to buy 19 first. Is that correct?
Any previous version of MC from MC10 on is eligible to upgrade. The instructions explain what to do.
perpetual98's Avatar perpetual98 09:51 AM 07-31-2014
Having been tinkering with JRiver since v16, these gripes pop up every year. I myself have purchased every upgrade since 16 and I haven't even installed 19 due to real life stuff demanding more of my time. I'm guessing that I will be buying the upgrade to 20 as well. These guys don't work for free, and they've been very quick to respond to questions that I've had, and they even implemented one of my Library Import ideas in the past.
vcrpro3's Avatar vcrpro3 11:42 AM 07-31-2014
Do any JRiver media center users by any chance use a Soundgraph Imon in their rig? Does it display info about what's playing properly? Thinking of getting one purely for the 'bling' factor and having a mechanical vol knob as i am running the analog audio outs directly to an power amp and do not always have a monitor or tv on.
desertdome's Avatar desertdome 12:26 PM 07-31-2014
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Do any JRiver media center users by any chance use a Soundgraph Imon in their rig? Does it display info about what's playing properly? Thinking of getting one purely for the 'bling' factor and having a mechanical vol knob as i am running the analog audio outs directly to an power amp and do not always have a monitor or tv on.
Yes, I have Imon but haven't had it connected in years. The VFD display doesn't work with JRiver without some additional software. There are instructions on JRiver's forum on how to set it up. I think the display is really to small to be much use.

Do you have an Android or iOS phone/tablet? It is much easier to use that to control JRiver than having to use a mechanical volume knob. I output directly to my amps and don't always have the screen on. I just use JRiver's Gizmo app on my Android phone for control.
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