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post #1261 of 1290 Old 09-17-2014, 06:58 AM
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One of his posts is now missing.
I see (or rather I don't but you get what I mean )

probably better to edit the post in place rather than just delete, would avoid such misunderstandings. It seems a shame though, from what I've seen it is contributions from the more technical members of the community that have helped produce the feature set jrmc has today.
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igorzep received multiple answers but didn't like them and became a troublesome distraction.
I know customers can be distractive, but the easiest way to end the distraction is to clarify things. I got multiple answers but those are exclusively contradictory and most of them are not by JRiver personnel and so are speculations and not really answering my questions clearly. It is quite easy to answer if it is 1LSB of 2LSB, everything else is implied. It it is 1LSB TPDF - of course I cannot be satisfied because it is simply incorrect and it is not worth testing if it is declared incorrect already. If it is 2LSB - there is no problem (except minor mis-communication) and that is it.

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He has not purchased.
It doesn't mean I can't go to support.

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Sorry, Igor. If you want to discuss it, I'm jimh at jriver.
You know I can't do it because all I see when I am accessing anything at yabb.jriver.com is "Sorry igorzep, you are banned from using this forum!".

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The one I was answering to is also. Agree that I was over-reactive once and answered not so politely. But suggestions not to buy the product and leave... are counterproductive and disrespectful also. But I am sorry I didn't ignored that provocation. Still it deserves a warning, not an immediate ban.
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You can reach me at jimh at jriver if you want to discuss.
I think Jim means via email.

FWIW, I agree that it was rather heavy handed to ban him from the forum given the info about the situation that's been posted here.
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I have JRiver 19 and I am trying to export my playlist to iTunes. I have all my files saved on a NAS drive and they are all FLAC files. I have read that iTunes does not support FLAC files which may be my problem when I have tried to export them. Do I need to convert the files to WAV or AIFF files before I export them to iTunes? Also, my NAS drive shows up in iTunes but it only has a portion of my files listed. I thought it was going to be an easy process - is there a setting I am missing? Thanks!
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Whats the story with ATMOS support in Jriver?

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Whats the story with ATMOS support in Jriver?
Certainly not an insider for JRiver but Nyal mentioned at CEDIA that Atmos will never show up on JRiver. Or it would be a very long time. Not sure if that was opinion or he knew something.


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Certainly not an insider for JRiver but Nyal mentioned at CEDIA that Atmos will never show up on JRiver. Or it would be a very long time. Not sure if that was opinion or he knew something.
Sounds like opinion.

I can ask nevcairiel and he probably would know. Hendrik was hired by Jriver last year, (he is the author of LAV filters for HTPC)

I don't follow Jriver too much myself, but if it supported ATMOS that might sway me. I don't play discs. Discs are for noobs.

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Certainly not an insider for JRiver but Nyal mentioned at CEDIA that Atmos will never show up on JRiver. Or it would be a very long time. Not sure if that was opinion or he knew something.
I don't see why JRiver would have to do anything specific to support Atmos. If you can bitstream TrueHD, you can send an Atmos signal. Sure, you lose the benefits of VideoClock, but it'd be worth it if Atmos is important to you.
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I don't see why JRiver would have to do anything specific to support Atmos. If you can bitstream TrueHD, you can send an Atmos signal. Sure, you lose the benefits of VideoClock, but it'd be worth it if Atmos is important to you.
That is kind of what I was thinking. I'll rip my ATMOS demo disc from CEDIA and see what I can find.

VideoClock (renamed Reclock for Jriver) does indeed break your bitstreaming, so you'd need to decode locally. Normally I copy paste the dtsdecoder.dll (stolen from demo of TMT) to do that with reclock (again I am not Jriver) but I don't think that method is going to work for ATMOS and local decoding. You'll need to native bitstream the full dolbyTrueHD stream unconverted, so no changing it to something else or encoding. But assuming you rip as ISO or MKV playback bitstreaming should decode the ATMOS (I think).

IDK... I guess I will have to mess around. I don't have an ATMOS receiver yet though

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I've been involved in several threads with IgorZep both here and on another forum. While he can be quite blunt, his goal has always been technical accuracy, and I've never found him to use personal attacks. I'd strongly encourage the powers that be to reinstitute his status on the forum, and take advantage of his desire to make the product better. I the long run, it will only help JRiver.
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I'll rip my ATMOS demo disc from CEDIA and see what I can find.
What are you using to rip Atmos encoded discs? I was wondering if MakeMKV will work with Atmos.
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Seems like Jriver could benefit by hiring a customer relations czar
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I don't see why JRiver would have to do anything specific to support Atmos. If you can bitstream TrueHD, you can send an Atmos signal. Sure, you lose the benefits of VideoClock, but it'd be worth it if Atmos is important to you.
Fine if you want to bitstream, not if you want to do eq etc on the PC. There is nothing Jriver themselves can do without an atmos decoder for the PC. Dolby's public comment is basically "it is possible but no plans at this time" (from the video on ht geeks). From the thread on interact, it doesn't seem to be something on their radar. I believe his focus is on writing their Linux video engine anyway.
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Hi all. I've reported sound quality issue (incorrect dithering) on the JRiver forum. Instead of reacting appropriately what they did... is banned me from the forum. This is how people are treated there... Sad
I posted there too, with the link to the Wannamaker thesis. I was planning on using JRiver in a multiple-subwoofer setup due to its flexible signal processing.

The situation was off-putting to me as well. Igor asked the simple question, which I'll paraphrase as "Is the dither performed using a triangular probability density function with amplitude of 2 LSB peak-to-peak and a mean of zero?"

The reply he got was "Sorry, but our dither is bit-perfect. There are lots of ways to do a dither, and ours is chosen for strategic reasons." When someone describes dither as "bit-perfect", it indicates that person does not understand dither, or that the understanding is superficial at best. So this reply raises a lot more concerns than not answering at all. It could have just been a slip of the tongue I guess, but that could be cleared up by actually answering the question by describing the probability density function of the dither used.
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Yes. We think it's right. Bob Katz thinks it's right. You're free to believe what you wish. That doesn't give anyone the right to a detailed description of the underlying theory behind the implementation.
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The replies I've read you give over the years is the reason I'll never purchase your product.
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The replies I've read you give over the years is the reason I'll never purchase your product.
I'm sorry to hear that. It's probably not possible to run a business without pissing off some percentage of the customers.


But we try very hard to serve our customers well, and the business side has continued to grow very well, so I think we're doing most of the right things.


Oddly perhaps, from your perspective, I do believe strongly in great customer service. I was here last night at 10:00 and I'm here again at 7:00, for example. I do the same on our forum.


I just don't have infinite patience for customers who are excessively demanding or aggressive or mean spirited. And JRiver people have limited time to debate the details.


Again, if I've offended you, I apologize.

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When will JRMC support DVB-T2 and DVB-S2 tuners..?
Yes. See http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?topic=33741.0
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Has there been a scientifically done double blind test between 1LSB & 2LSB dithering with reliable, repeatable results?
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I'm sorry to hear that. It's probably not possible to run a business without pissing off some percentage of the customers.


But we try very hard to serve our customers well, and the business side has continued to grow very well, so I think we're doing most of the right things.


Oddly perhaps, from your perspective, I do believe strongly in great customer service. I was here last night at 10:00 and I'm here again at 7:00, for example. I do the same on our forum.


I just don't have infinite patience for customers who are excessively demanding or aggressive or mean spirited. And JRiver people have limited time to debate the details.


Again, if I've offended you, I apologize.
My experience has been that JRiver is where you will get the best service. In responding to posts where most would just say pi66 off, Jim is still the consummate professional.
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Hey everyone. So far, I'm really liking JRiver. I have it running on a desktop computer, and connected to my Onkyo home theater receiver via an HDMI cable. Sound quality seems great, at least so far. Also, I really like the Theater View. However, I find trying to control the setup with my Android phone and the Gizmo app a bit clunky and inaccurate. Is there a better way to control the setup remotely? I'm a total newb with this type of setup, so any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Hey everyone. So far, I'm really liking JRiver. I have it running on a desktop computer, and connected to my Onkyo home theater receiver via an HDMI cable. Sound quality seems great, at least so far. Also, I really like the Theater View. However, I find trying to control the setup with my Android phone and the Gizmo app a bit clunky and inaccurate. Is there a better way to control the setup remotely? I'm a total newb with this type of setup, so any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
best place to check is the JRiver forum under "remotes". There are some guides there. I use a Harmony universal remote so I can't answer your specific questions. But I hope this link will point you in the right direction. http://yabb.jriver.com/interact/index.php?board=37.0
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Hey everyone. So far, I'm really liking JRiver. I have it running on a desktop computer, and connected to my Onkyo home theater receiver via an HDMI cable. Sound quality seems great, at least so far. Also, I really like the Theater View. However, I find trying to control the setup with my Android phone and the Gizmo app a bit clunky and inaccurate. Is there a better way to control the setup remotely? I'm a total newb with this type of setup, so any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

I use the JRemote app on my ipad mini which is pretty slick. I also use a 'windows' IR remote, this is basic but works well, plus has hard buttons
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...I just don't have infinite patience for customers who are excessively demanding.....
Well-you should probably have patience from your very demanding customers. They are likely the ones who push you to improve your product more so than the typical customer!
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Hey everyone. So far, I'm really liking JRiver. I have it running on a desktop computer, and connected to my Onkyo home theater receiver via an HDMI cable. Sound quality seems great, at least so far. Also, I really like the Theater View. However, I find trying to control the setup with my Android phone and the Gizmo app a bit clunky and inaccurate. Is there a better way to control the setup remotely? I'm a total newb with this type of setup, so any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
I use Gizmo a lot for control. What is "clunky and inaccurate"? Are you actually trying to browse Theater View using the remote controls within the app?

You can also try the eos app. There is a free trial in the Play Store. Search for "eos lenworth" or you will get a bunch of Canon apps. I purchased it a few weeks ago and really like it. It has easier volume control for zones than Gizmo.

If you want complete customization, you can get the iRule program for Android. Using JRiver's extensive Web Service Interface commands, you can program your own Android remote with the buttons you want.
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Has there been a scientifically done double blind test between 1LSB & 2LSB dithering with reliable, repeatable results?
You don't need blind testing to hear the effect of one and another as sound approaches the low levels:

1LSB RPDF (note, this is not TPDF, with TPDF not only noise modulation would not be suppressed, but also harmonics would not be fully removed)

2LSB TPDF, the correct one.

Which sounds more 'analog'?
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