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ImThat1Guy's Avatar ImThat1Guy 02:37 PM 09-03-2012
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I wonder if Microsoft would be willing to "sell" WMC to Ceton and if Ceton would be interested....hmmm
I have no doubt that MS will sell WMC... I certainly hope Ceton is a possible buyer, but I feel they're too small to get any consideration, not to mention money.

tgrinch's Avatar tgrinch 05:39 PM 09-03-2012
IMO, Ceton developing a replacement DVR software from the ground up sounds much more realistic than them attempting to purchase WMC... it would be a much better opportunity to build something fresh and new. Getting CC certifcation would seem to be the most difficult aspect of this and wouldn't be surprised if they're already researching this for a future milestone after the Q is released.
ImThat1Guy's Avatar ImThat1Guy 06:18 PM 09-03-2012
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IMO, Ceton developing a replacement DVR software from the ground up sounds much more realistic than them attempting to purchase WMC... it would be a much better opportunity to build something fresh and new. Getting CC certifcation would seem to be the most difficult aspect of this and wouldn't be surprised if they're already researching this for a future milestone after the Q is released.
Yeah, getting CableLabs to support anything other than WMC is definitely the hardest part.

I would love if Ceton would not only build their own media software, but also sell (or license as freeware? smile.gif) it for use on normal Windows HTPCs. Maybe have BluRay and all those nice codecs baked in as well. And if they came out with an extender software I could run on a cheap Atom/E-series build, that would make it even sweeter.

A man can dream, no? :P
Derek K.'s Avatar Derek K. 07:46 AM 09-04-2012
So these things are supposed to be shipping next week buy there is still no word on what extra things they will do? what is the date by which beta tester need to say yes or no to the beta and give them a cc number?
gsr's Avatar gsr 08:02 AM 09-04-2012
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So these things are supposed to be shipping next week buy there is still no word on what extra things they will do? what is the date by which beta tester need to say yes or no to the beta and give them a cc number?
They're going to announce something next week - they haven't said that the Echo's will be shipping next week. I suspect we'll find out most of the specs next week so we can make our final decision on whether to join the beta or not.
Derek K.'s Avatar Derek K. 08:16 AM 09-04-2012
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They're going to announce something next week - they haven't said that the Echo's will be shipping next week. I suspect we'll find out most of the specs next week so we can make our final decision on whether to join the beta or not.

sorry, you're right. I went back through this thread and found the statement from eric about news being released on the 10th, not the echos shipping.

one more week...
Sammy2's Avatar Sammy2 08:17 AM 09-04-2012
ceton has stated repeatedly that the specs will be given to the beta testers before the beta testers pay for the beta Echo.
erickotz's Avatar erickotz 08:28 AM 09-04-2012
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Yeah, getting CableLabs to support anything other than WMC is definitely the hardest part.

CableLabs actually doesn't have any say in it. The software just needs to implement the necessary DRM to get copy once content off the OCUR (such as WMDRM) - and that agreement is between the software manufacturer and the DRM manufacturer, not CableLabs.
Sammy2's Avatar Sammy2 08:35 AM 09-04-2012
Doesn't CableLABS just write the spec or rules to meet DRM requirements?
erickotz's Avatar erickotz 10:57 AM 09-04-2012
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Doesn't CableLABS just write the spec or rules to meet DRM requirements?

Essentially CableLabs says "these are allowed DRM systems" - you pick which one(s) you want to support, then do whatever the maker of that DRM system tells you to do.
Sammy2's Avatar Sammy2 11:00 AM 09-04-2012
Okay. Thanks!

So there's other systems you can comply with other than WMC's DRM. Can you create your own system too as long as it works with CableCARD technology?
erickotz's Avatar erickotz 11:31 AM 09-04-2012
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Okay. Thanks!
So there's other systems you can comply with other than WMC's DRM. Can you create your own system too as long as it works with CableCARD technology?

WMDRM is the only one that anyone has ever actually implemented in software (I believe the ATI tuner also implemented Real Helix in hardware, but no software ever used it). To clarify, WMDRM isn't tied to WMC specifically - other software could implement.

Someone could go through the process of having another DRM system approved, but that is unlikely to have any real world benefit in most cases.
Sammy2's Avatar Sammy2 11:44 AM 09-04-2012
Yeah, no need to go through that expense if you don't have to. I'm guessing that the Uverse "tuners" with WinCE baked in uses WMDRM too but I could be off base as it isn't a cable system (or so they claim to avoid allowing CableCARD tuners and this is why I am no longer with them). What DRM does TiVo use, I wonder?

BTW, looking forward to that final acceptance email next week!!
skybolt's Avatar skybolt 10:39 AM 09-05-2012
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They're going to announce something next week - they haven't said that the Echo's will be shipping next week. I suspect we'll find out most of the specs next week so we can make our final decision on whether to join the beta or not.

They can count me in anyway. It couldn't be too hard to beat out the XBOX. There initial spec of sorts looked prety good, not to mention the firmware we test at first is not going the firmware which is released in the end. So you never know what good things can come from avid testers feedback. JMO.
jhoff80's Avatar jhoff80 07:09 PM 09-05-2012
So the Android companion app is officially out now. $5, and no trial would make me reluctant to buy it. Plus, the PC app required for the companion app apparently installs a metadata grabber. I of course understand the need to do that, but at the same time, I already have to maintain metadata for MediaBrowser, and don't want to have to manually maintain stuff for this as well (yes, the idea with YAMMM is that you don't have to do anything to make it work, but since I at one point used YAMMM with the Movie Library, I know from experience that that is just a fantasy).
skybolt's Avatar skybolt 05:15 AM 09-06-2012
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So the Android companion app is officially out now. $5, and no trial would make me reluctant to buy it. Plus, the PC app required for the companion app apparently installs a metadata grabber. I of course understand the need to do that, but at the same time, I already have to maintain metadata for MediaBrowser, and don't want to have to manually maintain stuff for this as well (yes, the idea with YAMMM is that you don't have to do anything to make it work, but since I at one point used YAMMM with the Movie Library, I know from experience that that is just a fantasy).

The $5 is not so bad, I have a few plugins which cost alot more.
If your interested in the Echo, this app may enhance it.
I agree with the YAMM mantanence, I never liked YAMM that much ...
jhoff80's Avatar jhoff80 07:44 AM 09-06-2012
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The $5 is not so bad, I have a few plugins which cost alot more.

Yeah, I should've been more clear that it's the lack of a trial that I'm more concerned with.
dsurkin's Avatar dsurkin 11:28 AM 09-06-2012
jhoff80--

I was one of the beta testers. I found the program, and particularly the release version, to be polished and reliable. If you tell me what feature interests you the most, I may be able to give you some detail about its operation.
skybolt's Avatar skybolt 11:51 AM 09-06-2012
I probably should post this else where but I thought I would give aquick blurb here because of the OP.

I bought the Companion app, and it looks prety nice. It gives you complete control and a little more over the MC on which it is installed.
No remote play back, like remote potato. Also no extender supoort from what I can see. This confuses me just a little. I would think it would be the main thing this app supports. Hopefully I am wrong about this, if I am it is not obvious on how it support's them. I am not home at the moment, so maybe the extender needs to be powered on. I will have to try this when I get home tonight. WPB.

EDIT: Good News it does support the Extenders as long as you get the latest services patch. http://www.avsforum.com/t/1428039/ceton-companion-app-available-now
ncarty97's Avatar ncarty97 12:16 PM 09-06-2012
I really hope we get the specs on this thing soon. If it will handle Blu-Ray and DVD rips, I'll pre-order one or two as soon as it is available (HD-DVD and MKV would be a nice bonus too), so I can stop screwing around with getting my HTPC to put out on two different TV's.
Sammy2's Avatar Sammy2 01:56 PM 09-06-2012
The specs should go out to the beta testers next week but IDK if it will be public yet. Ceton has said it'll do mkv's.
ImThat1Guy's Avatar ImThat1Guy 01:58 PM 09-06-2012
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The specs should go out to the beta testers next week but IDK if it will be public yet.
Lol, like the beta testers won't tell us.

I mean, it doesn't seem remotely likely for Ceton to make everyone sign a wavier.
Sammy2's Avatar Sammy2 02:02 PM 09-06-2012
The companion app testers didn't leak info. I suspect that there will be a non-disclosure agreement but that ceton will also make it public anyhow.
ImThat1Guy's Avatar ImThat1Guy 02:52 PM 09-06-2012
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The companion app testers didn't leak info.
That's a good point. Although, Ceton did have demos on Youtube.
nycjoe77's Avatar nycjoe77 08:12 AM 09-07-2012
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...I have no doubt that MS will sell WMC...

Huh? What gives you that impression?
skybolt's Avatar skybolt 12:09 PM 09-07-2012
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Huh? What gives you that impression?

Because of thier stance of not fixing any of the known issues they have with 7MC, and thier public statements about dropping support of current components in MC, most recently the Internet Tv support.

Doesn't mean the product is dead, not yet anyway. Because it's distrubted with win7, they have to support until the EOL for win7, which hasn't been anounced as of yet (AFAIK). And 7MC seems to be the only avenue worth persuing since the death of Sage (IMO), for me anyway.
Foxbat121's Avatar Foxbat121 01:19 PM 09-07-2012
When was the last time MS sold any of its discountinued technology to outsiders? Most big companies would rather let something they no longer need die than sell to others which could potentially come back compete with them some times later. I'm affraid the only time you can buy WMC from MS is when it is bankruptted and needs to sell its IPs in a fire sell.
erickotz's Avatar erickotz 01:28 PM 09-07-2012
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Lol, like the beta testers won't tell us.
I mean, it doesn't seem remotely likely for Ceton to make everyone sign a wavier.

I don't *THINK* we had the app testers sign NDAs. As far as I know, we didn't have any information embargo on the app (and lets be honest, with that many testers, info is going to leak). There will be an agreement with the beta extender for the duration of the beta period, but I don't *THINK* there will be an NDA.
Sammy2's Avatar Sammy2 02:04 PM 09-07-2012
And there you have it from the source!

I'm ready for the Echo beta.. hopefully the units will ship next week!
cybrsage's Avatar cybrsage 02:14 PM 09-07-2012
If Eric does not post info soon, I am going to slip into his house and run CCleaner on all his computers...

...phear me!!!
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