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Hi,

I have my eye out for either the WD Caviar Green WD20EADS 2 TB or Samsung SpinPoint F4 HD204UI. According to SilentPcReview, these are the most quiet 2GB drives today.

Which to choose? Anyone got one of these in their HTPC? Are they noticable noise-wise when playing a video?

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If you can hear your HDD from your couch, something's really wrong...
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If you're really concerned about HDD noise, use a SSD drive in the HTPC and move big storage off to a NAS somewhere the noise doesn't matter.

Really though, your PSU and CPU fans are the real noise generators.
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If you can hear your HDD from your couch, something's really wrong...

LOL. I don't even remember the last time I was able to hear a hard drive. All the ones I have now are pretty quiet.

It would be interesting to dig up a review from 5-10 years ago, to see the noise specs back then on a typical drive.
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LOL. I don't even remember the last time I was able to hear a hard drive. All the ones I have now are pretty quiet.

It would be interesting to dig up a review from 5-10 years ago, to see the noise specs back then on a typical drive.

Then you just haven't got the right (wrong) drive. I have WD EARS discs in my HomeServer and they are pretty noisy - makes a lot more noise than the fans in my Antec case. And no, they aren't broken and running pretty cool also.

So, I just don't want noise like that in my living room.

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If you're really concerned about HDD noise, use a SSD drive in the HTPC and move big storage off to a NAS somewhere the noise doesn't matter.

Really though, your PSU and CPU fans are the real noise generators.

SSD is way too expensive. And I need 2TB in my HTPC. And I don't get your last statement - it depends on what discs you have - hence my question. In my HomeServer - my 3 WD EARS discs makes a lot more noise than everything else in that case. And those drives are also "green"...

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Then you just haven't got the right (wrong) drive. I have WD EARS discs in my HomeServer and they are pretty noisy - makes a lot more noise than the fans in my Antec case. And no, they aren't broken and running pretty cool also.

So, I just don't want noise like that in my living room.

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A lot of the noise depends on how the hard drive is mounted in a PC. Vibration dampeners work wonders compares to a drive mounted directly to a metal frame with screws. They tend to vibrate the whole case which can get transferred to whatever the PC is sitting on wether it be on the floor/desk/entertainment center.
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I have a Samsung 2TB drive and whilst it is quiet when playing mkv's via Mediabrowser it is very noisy when recording WMC TV because of constant head seek clicking. This is about the only solution I have found but it costs as much as the disk! check out: Growup Japan Smart Drive Classic SATA HDD Silencer. http://www.quietpc.com/gb-en-gbp/pro...ddrivesolution
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SSD is way too expensive. And I need 2TB in my HTPC. And I don't get your last statement - it depends on what discs you have - hence my question. In my HomeServer - my 3 WD EARS discs makes a lot more noise than everything else in that case. And those drives are also "green"...

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If you have a server why do you need 2TB in your HTPC?

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Hitachi Deskstar drives are very quiet as well.
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I use notebook HDDs as the boot drive for both HTPCs. For recorded TV in my small HTPC I use a 700GB notebook drive. For media storage in the larger HTPC I use a 2TB WD green drive mounted with one of these.

My DVD rips are stored on a WHS in a different room.
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Hi,

I have my eye out for either the WD Caviar Green WD20EADS 2 TB or Samsung SpinPoint F4 HD204UI. According to SilentPcReview, these are the most quiet 2GB drives today.

Which to choose? Anyone got one of these in their HTPC? Are they noticable noise-wise when playing a video?

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I've got both drives, and as others have mentioned I use the rubber isolators.
Consequently, from a foot away neither brand is noisy to me (in one case I have 3 Sammys, in another case 2 WDs) These drives were picked up before the flood and were then going for circa $70 USD.

I also like big cases so that cooling with 120MM fans rotating around 800 -1K RPMs also drives noise down. If noise is an issue to you, mount your fans and drives with those little thin washers, and run Speedfan to keep the system temps (and thus fan noise) under control.
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Hitachi Deskstar drives are very quiet as well.

That's what I use - the 5K3000 Coolspin drives - and I never hear them at all.
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I have my eye out for either the WD Caviar Green WD20EADS 2 TB or Samsung SpinPoint F4 HD204UI. According to SilentPcReview, these are the most quiet 2GB drives today.

Which to choose? Anyone got one of these in their HTPC? Are they noticable noise-wise when playing a video?

I've 3 different green 2TB HDD, including the above mentioned Samsung SpinPoint F4 HD204UI. All are AF (Advanced Format, meaning 4k sector size); in order by current price $130, $160, and $250:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148681
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822152245
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148753

When I bought them they were $80, $80, and $90 (or $95?)

I also thought/expected the two 5900rpm Seagate drives to be "faster" than the slower 5400rpm Samsung drive. All are quiet. My one surprise is that the Samsung is generally fastest for cloning.

I would not now pay $250 for the above enterprise Samsung.

If you have to get something now, and with regard to $130 (Seagate) vs $160 (Samsung) that's a tough call.

One other factor is where they are made and I'd tend to be leery of drives made in Singapore (Seagate) due to the recent flooding.

Of the above 3 HDD, two are in use so I can't easily look to see where they were actually made. But the cheapest of the above 3 (the green $130 Seagate is out (not in use other than as a backup HDD)) and looking at it I see that it was made in China, so maybe that's the way to go? But maybe not given the Singapore disaster and it's overall impact on Seagate's HDD biz? Of my Samsung drives that are out, they are made in China.

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Almost all hard drives have parts inside them made in Thailand.

I believe the motors inside almost every hard drive was/is made there.

I agree about the Samsungs being fast. I have run an OS on one many many times and it works just fine for HTPC.


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I have both the WD Caviar Green 2tb and a Samsung Spinpoint 2tb (F4 I think).

The Samsung is small amount quieter to my ears.

More importantly, the Samsung has been much more reliable.

Windows 7 has been wanting to CHKDSK the WD Caviar Green about 1 out of every 10 times that my system boots, and it is always finding new errors on it. It's ~ 1 year old.

My favorite drive brands, based mostly on laptop-size performance and reliability over the past 10 yrs:
- Hitachi
- Samsung

Least favorite, due to reliability problems:
- Seagate

Iffy, just based on my WD Caviar Green problems:
- Western Digital

I think I read that Western Digital has purchased Hitachi. I hope they don't screw them up.
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Nearly all modern drives are quiet once they are spinning - most noise comes from start-up and head seeking, the latter being the most worrisome if you have WMC TV as it will be constantly buffering live TV and once you add recording to the mix it becomes a real nuisance. Replay of recorded material tends to be unnoticeable because the ambient sound levels are so high because of the audio track. But when you are watching nothing try sitting in the same room as a working HTPC - click-click, click-click, click-click ...............

This is the only effective solution I have found after lots of testing and research for either 2.5" or 3.5" HDD's:

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Spend your money on quite fans and get the best hard drive for the job.
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i have both sammy and wd (3 and 4platter)
I think the sammy's are quieter. Certainly on average (I probably have about 4 of each) the sammy's are faster and quieter.

I have not tried the deskstars. The only appealing thing was their spinspeed. the faster sata connection is not required.
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Have you considered the case you're using? I built my server using a Fractal Design Define XL case, I have something like 13 or 14 drives in it and it is quieter than any of my other computers. The case is designed to be quiet and is lined with sound absorbing material.

Fractal offers smaller cases so that's something to consider.
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A lot of the noise depends on how the hard drive is mounted in a PC. Vibration dampeners work wonders compares to a drive mounted directly to a metal frame with screws. They tend to vibrate the whole case which can get transferred to whatever the PC is sitting on wether it be on the floor/desk/entertainment center.

Hm, granted, I just threw in those drives . Perhaps it really is vibration I'm experiencing...

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If you have a server why do you need 2TB in your HTPC?

Yes that might seem odd. It probably is But at least to begin with, I would just like to have all my ripped stuf (DVD/BD) locally on the HTPC. Also, I don't want to backup those files at all (my backup will be the physical discs which will be stored away).

Well, hm, as I said, it is odd.

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Hitachi Deskstar drives are very quiet as well.

Ok? Never owned a Hitachi. I'll have to read up on reviews tonight.

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I use notebook HDDs as the boot drive for both HTPCs. For recorded TV in my small HTPC I use a 700GB notebook drive. For media storage in the larger HTPC I use a 2TB WD green drive mounted with one of these.

My DVD rips are stored on a WHS in a different room.

Very interesting...Harddisk stabalizers. Never heard about that before. Thanks.

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I've got both drives, and as others have mentioned I use the rubber isolators.
Consequently, from a foot away neither brand is noisy to me (in one case I have 3 Sammys, in another case 2 WDs) These drives were picked up before the flood and were then going for circa $70 USD.

I also like big cases so that cooling with 120MM fans rotating around 800 -1K RPMs also drives noise down. If noise is an issue to you, mount your fans and drives with those little thin washers, and run Speedfan to keep the system temps (and thus fan noise) under control.

Thanks for sharing. I think I'm leaning towards the Samsung drive with one of those Scythe HDD stabilizers...

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That's what I use - the 5K3000 Coolspin drives - and I never hear them at all.

Argh - all those choices! And that drive even got the Editors choice on silentpcreview...

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Almost all hard drives have parts inside them made in Thailand.

I believe the motors inside almost every hard drive was/is made there.

I agree about the Samsungs being fast. I have run an OS on one many many times and it works just fine for HTPC.

Sounds nice, thanks. It also seems that I can't get the WD EADS 2TB in my country at the moment (more than 2 weeks delivery). But I can get the Samsung and the Hitachi (Deskstar 5K3000).

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More importantly, the Samsung has been much more reliable.

Makes my choice even easier, thanks.

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Have you considered the case you're using? I built my server using a Fractal Design Define XL case, I have something like 13 or 14 drives in it and it is quieter than any of my other computers. The case is designed to be quiet and is lined with sound absorbing material.

Fractal offers smaller cases so that's something to consider.

Yes, for my HTPC I ordered the SST HD04 which is supposed to be one of the better HTPC (microATX) cases around.

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