XBMC v11 Eden is released - Page 3 - AVS Forum
Forum Jump: 
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #61 of 80 Old 04-01-2012, 01:46 AM
Senior Member
 
charlievoviii's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 310
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by assassin View Post

Again, I understand this which is why I pointed it out.

We are going in circles, seems like everyone understand except you.

First you said u can play anything, than i pointed out it cant play 1080I 25fps. Than you said your play fine with 720P. ROFL

charlievoviii is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #62 of 80 Old 04-01-2012, 02:38 AM
Advanced Member
 
balky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 767
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Liked: 19
I honestly don't see any use for this kind of comment other than trying to pick a fight...

If XBMC doesn't play your 1080i / 25 movies, simply find another player that does and move on...

Lack of support for 1080i BR won't change the opinion of the majority who think XBMC is fantastic...
balky is offline  
post #63 of 80 Old 04-01-2012, 03:59 AM
AVS Addicted Member
 
assassin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 12,894
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Liked: 205
Quote:
Originally Posted by charlievoviii View Post

We are going in circles, seems like everyone understand except you.

First you said u can play anything, than i pointed out it cant play 1080I 25fps. Than you said your play fine with 720P. ROFL


Again, I said my version played because it was 720p. Don't know why this is so hard to understand for you.
assassin is offline  
post #64 of 80 Old 04-01-2012, 05:09 AM
AVS Special Member
 
sean_w_smith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Los Altos, CA and Huntsville, UT
Posts: 4,292
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by balky View Post

I honestly don't see any use for this kind of comment other than trying to pick a fight...

If XBMC doesn't play your 1080i / 25 movies, simply find another player that does and move on...

Lack of support for 1080i BR won't change the opinion of the majority who think XBMC is fantastic...

+1

They are trying to pick a fight clearly.

am I learning anything new here? nope, just we have some users for whom XBMC doesn't meet their needs and they should use a different product.

and Congratulations to the XBMC team for a stellar release. Its the best release yet. Its great to have watched and participated every step of the way frrom the inital XBMP on a hardware chipped xbox till today. Congratulations!
sean_w_smith is offline  
post #65 of 80 Old 04-01-2012, 06:29 AM
AVS Addicted Member
 
assassin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 12,894
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Liked: 205
Quote:
Originally Posted by sean_w_smith View Post

+1

They are trying to pick a fight clearly.

am I learning anything new here? nope, just we have some users for whom XBMC doesn't meet their needs and they should use a different product.

and Congratulations to the XBMC team for a stellar release. Its the best release yet. Its great to have watched and participated every step of the way frrom the inital XBMP on a hardware chipped xbox till today. Congratulations!

Agreed. As a former doubter of XBMC I have come full circle. Its a great (although not perfect --- none of them are) great piece of software.
assassin is offline  
post #66 of 80 Old 04-01-2012, 11:40 AM
Senior Member
 
winterescape's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 314
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
So other than experimentation and learning what is motivating folks to load it? As an alternative to 7MC or used with 7MC and launched from it? If so what is missing from 7MC that you see in XBMC Eden?

I wonder how long until OpenELEC is updated to Eden
winterescape is offline  
post #67 of 80 Old 04-01-2012, 01:08 PM
AVS Special Member
 
kegobeer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Panama City Beach, FL
Posts: 1,344
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
XBMC allows a ton of customization and incredible add-ons, both of which are sorely lacking in MCE.
kegobeer is offline  
post #68 of 80 Old 04-01-2012, 01:55 PM
Advanced Member
 
kneedragger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 783
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 12
I installed Eden on release day and have had more issues with this version than the previous.

1 - Installing XBMCbuntu doesn't seem to like HD tv's so I eventually found out about the 120 x 120 install option.

2 - Finding the right audio device in the settings so I could get audio through the optical output took forever.

3 - When I play some video files audio some times they won't work so I need to back out and play again.

These are minor issues, but I feel it still needs work.
kneedragger is offline  
post #69 of 80 Old 04-01-2012, 04:39 PM
AVS Special Member
 
sneals2000's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: UK
Posts: 6,970
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 15 Post(s)
Liked: 40
Quote:
Originally Posted by assassin View Post

10% of all media? Really? Seems a little high to me. You would think that we would be hearing all the time about the movies/media that XBMC wasn't able to play.

Like I said I have never run into this likely because I don't have 1080i material it seems. But your would think that I would have the occasional interlaced movie if it was that high of a percentage.

I'd be interested in seeing a list to see what types of things are being shot in 1080i.

Lots and lots of broadcast TV is 1080i native interlaced (as opposed to 1080p carried in 1080i). Almost all major sporting events (Olympics, World Cup, Wimbledon, European Cup etc.) are shot 1080/50i or 1080/60i native. Most entertainment and HD news shows are shot 1080i native, as are some soaps and sitcoms (though 720/50p or 720/60p is used by some broadcasters instead)

Drama, some documentaries, some sitcoms and some soaps, as well as movies are 1080p.

Quote:
Isn't it also true that only a CRT monitor can properly playback interlaced material as almost all modern day displays are progressive?

Yes - and no.

Modern de-interlacers are able to de-interlaced 1080/50i or 1080/60i to 1080/50p or 1080/60p pretty effectively (spatial temporal de-interlacing using vector motion tracking can deliver very good results)

As 1080/24p or 1080/25p is not suitable for high-motion capture environments - like sport, entertainment (fast crane and steadicam motion doesn't work at 24/25Hz) either broadcasters have to use 720/50p or 60p, or they have to use 1080/50i or 60i to capture 50/60Hz motion.

Many went 1080i, some went 720p. 1080/50p or 1080/60p is not being used for broadcast TV to the home (yet) - so that isn't an option.

As someone who uses XBMC (with TV Headend to watch Live TV) and also Recorded TV (SD MPEG2 576/50i and HD H264 1080/50i and 720/50p) de-interlacing is pretty important to me. nVidia VDPAU with Temporal Spatial 2x de-interlacing is pretty good. Other graphics cards don't fair so well in XBMC.

There are widespread issues with VC-1 interlaced content - but that is an FFMPEG issue AIUI - not an XBMC one.

If you only watch movies in XBMC then de-interlacing and interlaced content may not be an issue for you. It is for those of us who use XBMC to watch broadcast material.
sneals2000 is online now  
post #70 of 80 Old 04-01-2012, 05:21 PM
AVS Special Member
 
dan4081's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,116
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 32
Quote:
Originally Posted by sneals2000 View Post

Lots and lots of broadcast TV is 1080i native interlaced (as opposed to 1080p carried in 1080i). Almost all major sporting events (Olympics, World Cup, Wimbledon, European Cup etc.) are shot 1080/50i or 1080/60i native. Most entertainment and HD news shows are shot 1080i native, as are some soaps and sitcoms (though 720/50p or 720/60p is used by some broadcasters instead)

Drama, some documentaries, some sitcoms and some soaps, as well as movies are 1080p.



Yes - and no.

Modern de-interlacers are able to de-interlaced 1080/50i or 1080/60i to 1080/50p or 1080/60p pretty effectively (spatial temporal de-interlacing using vector motion tracking can deliver very good results)

As 1080/24p or 1080/25p is not suitable for high-motion capture environments - like sport, entertainment (fast crane and steadicam motion doesn't work at 24/25Hz) either broadcasters have to use 720/50p or 60p, or they have to use 1080/50i or 60i to capture 50/60Hz motion.

Many went 1080i, some went 720p. 1080/50p or 1080/60p is not being used for broadcast TV to the home (yet) - so that isn't an option.

As someone who uses XBMC (with TV Headend to watch Live TV) and also Recorded TV (SD MPEG2 576/50i and HD H264 1080/50i and 720/50p) de-interlacing is pretty important to me. nVidia VDPAU with Temporal Spatial 2x de-interlacing is pretty good. Other graphics cards don't fair so well in XBMC.

There are widespread issues with VC-1 interlaced content - but that is an FFMPEG issue AIUI - not an XBMC one.

If you only watch movies in XBMC then de-interlacing and interlaced content may not be an issue for you. It is for those of us who use XBMC to watch broadcast material.

Will the impending bump in XBMC to Ffmpeg 0.10.2 help with VC-1 interlaced content?
Looks like its coming soon now that Eden is out:
https://github.com/xbmc/xbmc/pull/810

Revo Ion...XBMC For Windows...Dharma RC2
dan4081 is offline  
post #71 of 80 Old 04-01-2012, 08:15 PM
Senior Member
 
charlievoviii's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 310
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by assassin View Post

Again, I said my version played because it was 720p. Don't know why this is so hard to understand for you.

again, what does it have to do with the 1080I. Since the question was towards 1080I and not 720p. Don't know why this is so hard to understand for you.?

charlievoviii is offline  
post #72 of 80 Old 04-02-2012, 03:46 AM
AVS Addicted Member
 
assassin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 12,894
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Liked: 205
Quote:
Originally Posted by charlievoviii View Post

again, what does it have to do with the 1080I. Since the question was towards 1080I and not 720p. Don't know why this is so hard to understand for you.?


Good god you just don't quit. Again I pointed this out from the start.
assassin is offline  
post #73 of 80 Old 04-02-2012, 03:53 AM
AVS Special Member
 
dj4monie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Reseda, CA
Posts: 1,311
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 13
ROFL with the Double and Triple Face Palm..... Almost woke up the folks.

A. Thomas -
GSN: djfourmoney
'03 SRT-4 12.74@106 in the 1/4
PSN - DJFourMoney
dj4monie is offline  
post #74 of 80 Old 04-02-2012, 08:59 AM
Advanced Member
 
squeakybirnbaum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: MO
Posts: 520
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by dj4monie View Post

ROFL with the Double and Triple Face Palm..... Almost woke up the folks.

Yeah I was mildly amused by them when I saw them the first 100 times all over the internet about 6 years ago. Evidently he just found out about them and is using them at every opportunity. I never rolled on the floor laughing though. More like a "heh".
squeakybirnbaum is offline  
post #75 of 80 Old 04-02-2012, 11:37 AM
AVS Special Member
 
GreenEyez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 2,258
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 20
Well, american TV Shows recorded in the USA should play fine, just tested Game of Thrones S02E01 , 1080i @ 29 FPS (MPEG2) & DD audio. Going to test some 25FPS recordings, if i find some.

GreenEyez is offline  
post #76 of 80 Old 04-02-2012, 11:42 AM
AVS Addicted Member
 
assassin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 12,894
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Liked: 205
Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenEyez View Post

Well, american TV Shows recorded in the USA should play fine, just tested Game of Thrones S02E01 , 1080i @ 29 FPS (MPEG2) & DD audio. Going to test some 25FPS recordings, if i find some.


I am going to test more when I can as well.
assassin is offline  
post #77 of 80 Old 04-03-2012, 10:17 AM
Member
 
AMenard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 144
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quick and dirty solution to interlace material... You can always use the deinterlace option in your favorite conversion program when you rip it.

Not ideal, but its better than not being able to watch it at all.

Alain Menard
www.lacrimosae.net
AMenard is offline  
post #78 of 80 Old 04-03-2012, 10:45 AM
Member
 
Hallpas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 47
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Does XMBC 11 have Netflix? If so, can I add Movies/TV from it into the main Libraries?
Hallpas is offline  
post #79 of 80 Old 04-03-2012, 11:06 AM
AVS Special Member
 
dan4081's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 1,116
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 32
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hallpas View Post

Does XMBC 11 have Netflix? If so, can I add Movies/TV from it into the main Libraries?

No.

Revo Ion...XBMC For Windows...Dharma RC2
dan4081 is offline  
post #80 of 80 Old 04-03-2012, 03:24 PM
Newbie
 
statious's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 13
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by pkscout View Post

Check out this post for a patched version that has HD Audio Bitstreaming.

There is no official Netflix addon, but there is one that uses a web browser to play the video. It's not perfect, but it does work. As for CableCard, you can thank the cable industry for not allowing that to ever be an option. WMC is the only Windows option of which I know that is blessed by the cable overlords to access cable card signals.

There is actually two options. There is a script that passes you to the WMC Plugin for netflix that allows you to use the remote to browse and play content. I have used this in the past to access my music library that is nearly entirely songs downloaded from Rhapsody for offline playback that only play back in WMC or using WMP. The author of the netflix script also wrote one for the music library that works well.
statious is offline  
Reply Home Theater Computers

User Tag List

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off