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I will frankenstien the Sata cable + Sata power out the case and install OS from DVD drive- but then remove it. No Optical is needed on this PC. It will be serviced from my server. Any disc gets ripped to that anyways.

Another option would have been to install the OS from a USB memory stick.
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I'm about to build a new HTPC and want to keep the best deal but when looking at CPUs (mainly Intel G440,G530,G630, or AMD A4-3300) I'm still undecided. For just a little more than the G530 I can get the A4-3300, which while I know the processing power is not as good as the G530 it's graphics are better. While the difference in HD playback would not be noticeable, it still makes me feel better about the buy at that price point. The G440 is $40 which is a great price, but again for just a little bit more the G530 can be had. Any suggestions or good deals spotted?
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Another option would have been to install the OS from a USB memory stick.

Yeah I downloaded the USB tool...

But I want to install PRO not HOME. I don't have the file for PRO version. Only the OEM disc I bought.

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Nevermind, G530 for $35.69 with coupon code HOMERUN from the link Mfusick provided is what I'm going to go for. Too good of a price! Thanks again for that link.
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Nevermind, G530 for $35.69 with coupon code HOMERUN from the link Mfusick provided is what I'm going to go for. Too good of a price! Thanks again for that link.

yes.

You can use the same code on a G620 or G630 too.

I think the G630 was $61 before the discount... so that is a great value too.

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I just did it again and ordered parts to build yet another HTPC.

I built this:

Motherboard:

2 x ($48.99) ASRock H61M/U3S3 LGA 1155 Intel H61 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
$97.98 (+10% off = 44$) (Bought an extra.. lol )

2 Intel Pentium Dual-Core Processor G630 2.7GHz 3MB LGA1155 CPU, Retail G630BOX $61.99 Total for 2 $123.98 (also bought an extra)

1 x ($37.99) Crucial 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CT2KIT51264BD160B
$37.99 (+ extra 15% off = 32$)

Please excuse my ignorance as I haven't built a PC for many years.

I like the ASRock MB you used but the ASRock web site says this MB supports 1333 RAM yet I see you ordered 1600 RAM????

Could someone please clarify this?

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Please excuse my ignorance as I haven't built a PC for many years.

I like the ASRock MB you used but the ASRock web site says this MB supports 1333 RAM yet I see you ordered 1600 RAM????

Could someone please clarify this?

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1600 RAM will run at 1333 on that board.


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Please excuse my ignorance as I haven't built a PC for many years.

I like the ASRock MB you used but the ASRock web site says this MB supports 1333 RAM yet I see you ordered 1600 RAM????

Could someone please clarify this?

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1600mhz DDR will run at slower speeds.

The motherboard just downclocks it to 1066 or 1333 or whatever the CPU and chipset require.

It's pretty much automatic. Just push the ram into the motherboard and turn it on. There is nothing special to do.

I personally won't buy 1066 or 1333 DDR3 since 1600mhz is basically the exact same price.

The difference is any is a dollar or two. For that price- I would rather have the better DDR3 ram since you can run tighter timings- it's often better quality- and I can re-use it with a Z68 board or better CPU in future.

I choose and H61 board because it's a good board. It's cheap. It works great- it has fast restarts and a good feature set for that price. But H61 is not a 1600mhz board and chipset like Z68 or Z77 is.

I figured that for $48 it was solid deal. But at some point I might find a nice Z68 or Z77 board for $50 and upgrade it- and if so the memory is still good and I don't need better to overclock or get max performance.

I know I am a bit different than most- I change my stuff over more often. This stuff matters to me, where many might set it and forget it. If your going to build a HTPC and never touch it for years to come... none of my methods would make much sense.

I often find I can buy a CPU or board for a good deal - play and enjoy it- then use if for something else and upgrade- or sell it on ebay. Effectively it might only cost me 10 or 20 bucks to use that piece of hardware for 6 months or a year.

I mean a $48 Asrock 1155 socket motherboard with USB3.0 and SATAIII ports is always going to be worth north of $40 in next couple years. I Paid $48

A $38 Sandybridge G530 is always going to be worth north of $30. We are talking about $8 difference between purchase price and open market used resale value.

When I find a great deal on a higher end board I will jump on it.

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When I find a great deal on a higher end board I will jump on it.

I actually have an Asrock Z68 motherboard arriving tuesday.

I found a pretty sweet deal on @ New Egg.


ASRock Z68 PRO3-M LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16813157252R

$69

I am going to be using this for the HTPC now. Not the H61. I will run the DDR3 @ 1600mhz.

H61 will become a temporary server board with a G530 untill I swap that out for a more permanent solution. (I would like 8+ SATA and 4 SATAIII + Intel networking LAN CHIPSET)

I also bought this PSU since I realized I needed one for a server case. (I wish I got two of the ANTEC's for $29)

COOLER MASTER Elite 460 RS-460-PSAR-J3 460W ATX12V V2.31 Power Supply $17 shipped AR. It's better than anything nears it's price for sure.

Dual 12V+ Rails and 4 SATA connectors for this price makes it good. They are quiet too.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817171046




I also grabbed a $48 shipped 60GB SSD.
Not my favorite SSD but for $48 shipped I had to pull the trigger. It won't get wasted.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227725

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Please excuse my ignorance as I haven't built a PC for many years.

I like the ASRock MB you used but the ASRock web site says this MB supports 1333 RAM yet I see you ordered 1600 RAM????

Could someone please clarify this?

Ken

Ken,

On a last note you can certainly use 1066 or 1333 memory on this board if you like this MB- and find a great deal on this type of memory.

Just because I choose 1600mhz which also works great- does not mean you should or have to. I would get the slower DDR3 if the price was cheaper. I just usually seem to find $30-$40 8GB Kits (4GBx2) of 1600mhz.

I have used Gskill, Crucial, and Mushkin all several times each. All three are great. I usually can't find a 1066/1133 kit any cheaper than $30-40 I am buying these kits for- the difference is often a single dollar or two. For that price I choose the better just for the sake of future possibilities.

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I also grabbed a $48 shipped 60GB SSD.
Not my favorite SSD but for $48 shipped I had to pull the trigger. It won't get wasted.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227725

How are you getting this price? It's $75 shipped before rebate. You must have a secret stash of coupon codes?
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G530 or G620?

I was going to get the G620 from Micro Center this week & decided on it because it was a Pentium vs. the Celeron G530. Many years ago I had a Celeron & I associate that with slow, but that was years ago. So I figured why not get the Pentium for the $15 difference. But it seems just as many people use the G530. So now I'm thinking why not a Celeron?

As mentioned in an earlier posting it appears both of these max out at DDR3 1066 RAM & questioned if this makes any difference between the two CPUs less significant.

Is there any real advantage at all in using the G620?
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How are you getting this price? It's $75 shipped before rebate. You must have a secret stash of coupon codes?

15% off Newegg ran last week.

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G530 or G620?

I was going to get the G620 from Micro Center this week & decided on it because it was a Pentium vs. the Celeron G530. Many years ago I had a Celeron & I associate that with slow, but that was years ago. So I figured why not get the Pentium for the $15 difference. But it seems just as many people use the G530. So now I'm thinking why not a Celeron?

As mentioned in an earlier posting it appears both of these max out at DDR3 1066 RAM & questioned if this makes any difference between the two CPUs less significant.

Is there any real advantage at all in using the G620?

2.4 vs 2.6 ghz is advantage.

Newegg has this now:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...m-_-19-116-399

EMCYTZT1481. Promo code. Free shipping.

Invade you want 620 and prefer newegg as retailer. It's solid option.

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Ken,

On a last note you can certainly use 1066 or 1333 memory on this board if you like this MB- and find a great deal on this type of memory.

Just because I choose 1600mhz which also works great- does not mean you should or have to. I would get the slower DDR3 if the price was cheaper. I just usually seem to find $30-$40 8GB Kits (4GBx2) of 1600mhz.

I have used Gskill, Crucial, and Mushkin all several times each. All three are great. I usually can't find a 1066/1133 kit any cheaper than $30-40 I am buying these kits for- the difference is often a single dollar or two. For that price I choose the better just for the sake of future possibilities.

Thanks everyone for the info on the memory. I think the last system I built was in 1995 and there's a whole new set of terminology to learn!

One more question if I may, anyone have any problems with open box products? Is it worth the savings to buy them?

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Thanks everyone for the info on the memory. I think the last system I built was in 1995 and there's a whole new set of terminology to learn!

One more question if I may, anyone have any problems with open box products? Is it worth the savings to buy them?

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I have bought two H61 open box motherboards from Newegg in last 30 days. The ones above.

Both models arrived perfectly. All accessories included, still in wrap plastic.
Nothing was missing, and the motherboard works fine.

I just bought a third openbox motherboard this time a Z68 chipset.

It will arrive tomorrow. I will update on how that is.

I have never had trouble with open box from New Egg. Often just package is opened. It's worth saving the cash for me, since I know how to deal with missing stuff just in case.

A quick email to any MFG about the missing item and they send it quickly for free BTW... Just include a receipt and or serial number. It's easy.

But I have never had anything missing- to me it's identical to buying new in almost all aspects accept the lower price.

$48 for the Asrock boards above was a good deal for me. I have bought new at $65. I have two of the same previously- and was familiar with this board. So I guess I might have more confidence in buying an open box one than normal first time buyers.

I think if you buy from a good retailer you should be ok.

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2.4 vs 2.6 ghz is advantage.

Newegg has this now:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...m-_-19-116-399

EMCYTZT1481. Promo code. Free shipping.

Invade you want 620 and prefer newegg as retailer. It's solid option.

I realize there is a speed advantage with the G620 & I'm all for that. But when using an HTPC as a DVR for OTA recording does that speed difference mean anything?

I don't want to short change myself on performance for $15. But OTOH the $15 would almost pay for an optical drive.

The PSU arrived from Newegg today, so the CPU is what I need next. Micro Center is near me so I'll just go there & get one.
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I realize there is a speed advantage with the G620 & I'm all for that. But when using an HTPC as a DVR for OTA recording does that speed difference mean anything?

I don't want to short change myself on performance for $15. But OTOH the $15 would almost pay for an optical drive.

The PSU arrived from Newegg today, so the CPU is what I need next. Micro Center is near me so I'll just go there & get one.

Then yeah just get a G620 for $50 at Microcenter. That would serve you well and $49.99 is a good price for a CPU of that performance level.

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ECS LGA1155 board back on newegg for 34$. AR

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I picked up the G620 from Micro Center & installed it, the cooler & RAM. Will do the POST a little later.

My friend picked up a case from CompUSA last year for $3.00 from their "back room, red tag sale" area. Just happens I'm going to CompUSA tomorrow & will have to check out cases. This will be a different store but if don't have anything I'll go to their main warehouse store.
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I picked up the G620 from Micro Center & installed it, the cooler & RAM. Will do the POST a little later.

My friend picked up a case from CompUSA last year for $3.00 from their "back room, red tag sale" area. Just happens I'm going to CompUSA tomorrow & will have to check out cases. This will be a different store but if don't have anything I'll go to their main warehouse store.

Nice!

Post some pics when you can.

I built two more PC's today.

Z68 Asrock for me 120GB SSD, 8GB DDR3 1600mhz, ...

And a WHS2011 server that I plan to set up with FLEX RAID. (20-30TB)

I should throw up some pics soon.

I also just built a cheap $300 HTPC, and another for a friend.

Will be building another Z68 HTPC this weekend. Should have some cool stuff to show off.

Seems like my HTPC is rubbing off on my friends. I showed them my set up and they all want it now. When I explain you can have a real HTPC for $300-$400 they are amazed.

Most of them think it's a super computer- never seen something work so well and so fast. Doubt they ever seen or used and SSD based OS before.

It's quite a difference with an SSD and modern hardware set up right vs a few year old PC - even if it was midrange/highend at the time.

You should enjoy it! A HTPC does not need to cost thousand dollars.

My main PC is i7 overclocked costing $3000+ and honestly a $300 G620 based machine is perfectly acceptable to me for 10% of the that cost.

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I hate threads like this. My main htpc died (a repurposed Medion (yes, from Aldi's) Phenom something box). So I commandeered my daughters' machine to run WMC and it worked, but just barely (mobo so old it was 2Gb max ram). So in updating my main rig I came across this thread. Not only did I get that rig up to modern specs for about $250, but the success stories and deals in this thread convinced me to update my daughters' computer, and then build a new one from scratch. And now I'm tempted to build one for each tv in the house. And then add a tv by the elliptical machine so I watch and exercise at the same time. So because of you guys I'm spending more money, spending time on builds, and I'll have less of an excuse to skip my daily cardio! That's why I hate threads like this!

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As head up the open box Asrock board is back for $48

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...2E16813157236R

Good board for $48

Also there is a few others, including a mini ITX for $55 and some 67's at decent and low prices:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...13-157-271-Z01

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Post some pics when you can.

I built two more PC's today.

Z68 Asrock for me 120GB SSD, 8GB DDR3 1600mhz, ...

And a WHS2011 server that I plan to set up with FLEX RAID. (20-30TB)

I should throw up some pics soon.

I also just built a cheap $300 HTPC, and another for a friend.

Nothing to show yet except the loaded mobo sitting on a table. Struck out looking for a cheap case at CompUSA. They had only one bargain bin case that was $90 but marked down to $55. I'll check out the other CompUSA next week.

It appears most of the HTPCs that you build for yourself do not have HDD because you use a server. But what to you put in the ones you build for friends?
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Nothing to show yet except the loaded mobo sitting on a table. Struck out looking for a cheap case at CompUSA. They had only one bargain bin case that was $90 but marked down to $55. I'll check out the other CompUSA next week.

It appears most of the HTPCs that you build for yourself do not have HDD because you use a server. But what to you put in the ones you build for friends?

What kind of case you want?

NewEgg had the Antec and the Coolermaster for $40 shipped.


Do you have a PSU ?

I see $20 cases all the time online.

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What kind of case you want?

NewEgg had the Antec and the Coolermaster for $40 shipped.


Do you have a PSU ?

I see $20 cases all the time online.

I'm still pretty much open on the type of case. I was hoping to find a really good deal on a bargain bin one such as my friend did. I'm still looking.

I bought the $17AR Corsair PSU that was mentioned in this thread.

The next big purchase is the HDD & I was wondering what you have been using in all your cheap builds.
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I'm still pretty much open on the type of case. I was hoping to find a really good deal on a bargain bin one such as my friend did. I'm still looking.

I bought the $17AR Corsair PSU that was mentioned in this thread.

The next big purchase is the HDD & I was wondering what you have been using in all your cheap builds.

The cheapest is not always the "best" or best value.

For the cheapest I use this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227725

$63 normal price and I got 15% making it $48 for the last one I bought.

I won't buy a 60GB unless it's 1$ per GB or less. $80 for a 64GB is just not smart to me.

If I am not on a super budget (think $50 or so) then I step up to something better/faster that is also $1 per GB in the 120GB size.

I like this for both performance and value. It's as fast as anything out there under $200 and great price too.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227706

$120 is not a bad price. But you can get it for $99.

The difference is the NAND they use. In the Vertex3 the controller is more optimized for performance and the NAND is a faster type.

Real world - they both are good.

For HDD storage I like the 3TB seagate. THey are $139 all day long at Costco. That is like $45 per TB. No rebates. No Fuss.

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For HDD storage I like the 3TB seagate. THey are $139 all day long at Costco. That is like $45 per TB. No rebates. No Fuss.

Damn! Wish I would have known that last week. Spent that on a 2.5Tb.
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It's was easy and fast. In stock and mo rebates.

The drive can be used as internal without breaking the case too . So you can convert it back and forth .. Cool design

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The cheapest is not always the "best" or best value.

For HDD storage I like the 3TB seagate. THey are $139 all day long at Costco. That is like $45 per TB. No rebates. No Fuss.

I'm not trying to build the cheapest by using cheap quality parts, but it is nice to get a lot bang-for-the-buck and put the money where it makes a difference. For example using a G620 instead of an i3.

I try to keep up with what I've recorded & have never filled a Comcast or Dish DVR to capacity. So I was thinking about something in the 500MB - 1TB capacity for a HDD.
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