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Hey mboltuzi,

Here's some advice I've got from Stardog regarding cooler height:

The Intel stock cooler will not fit. If you install a standard 9.5mm height 2.5" drive under the optical drive you have enough room for up to a 37mm tall cooler like the Silverstone NT07-1156. If using an SSD, you can creatively install it so the SSD is standing vertically which will give you a little more height to fit up to a 45mm tall cooler (stock Intel is 54mm if you're wondering).

And this is from eco
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Whoops, somehow posted that the middle of typing.

Anyway, regarding the power supply this is from the E-i7 ecosmartpc page:
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The new 180W fanless DC power board and standard 84W AC adapter can power the latest Intel Celeron, Pentium or i3. Upgrade the AC adapter to 120W AC and there’s enough power for a Core i5 or Core i7 or 150W to support an AMD APU or Intel CPU with a low-profile graphics card.
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Hey mboltuzi,

Here's some advice I've got from Stardog regarding cooler height:

The Intel stock cooler will not fit. If you install a standard 9.5mm height 2.5" drive under the optical drive you have enough room for up to a 37mm tall cooler like the Silverstone NT07-1156. If using an SSD, you can creatively install it so the SSD is standing vertically which will give you a little more height to fit up to a 45mm tall cooler (stock Intel is 54mm if you're wondering).

And this is from eco

 

 

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Whoops, somehow posted that the middle of typing.

Anyway, regarding the power supply this is from the E-i7 ecosmartpc page:

 

I'm not planning to use optical drive anyway.  I'll buy some decent quiet cooler. :)

 

I have read ecosmartpc info but I would still like to hear some first-hand opinions. :)

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I couldn't have said it any better than goodbyegalaxy smile.gif. Thanks!

All that information is from first-hand testing so rest assured. I will add that the 120W AC adapter is only $10 more than the 84W AC adapter so if you want a little future-proofing it's a good deal. Replacing it later will be more like $25-30.

I still like the Dynatron T450 for an inexpensive, quiet, easy to install low-profile cooler. It's 31mm high. If you want an extra cooling fan, the 80x15mm CoolerMaster fan works very well.

 

 

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Hey guys. I am looking to build a powerfull (for the size) small machine, with the new pentium 20th anniversary edition and a gtx 750 ti. The gpu seems ideal for such a thing as it has loads of performance for a mere 60W...

I was looking at the Streacom F7C evo to house this, but it looks like the GPU would suffocate in there. The realan e-i7 looks like it has more space next to the pci-e slot... Could someone tell me if a dual slot gpu would fit in there? Or 1.5 slot?
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Hey guys. I am looking to build a powerfull (for the size) small machine, with the new pentium 20th anniversary edition and a gtx 750 ti. The gpu seems ideal for such a thing as it has loads of performance for a mere 60W...

I was looking at the Streacom F7C evo to house this, but it looks like the GPU would suffocate in there. The realan e-i7 looks like it has more space next to the pci-e slot... Could someone tell me if a dual slot gpu would fit in there? Or 1.5 slot?

You won't be able to fit a double-slot GPU in the E-i7. It's even a little smaller than the F7C. Even if you could, it would suffer from heat problems and the PSU would not be powerful enough.

Have you seen these mini-ITX cases? I get enough requests for something like yours that I was thinking of getting one and trying it out for offering a powerful HTPC/Gaming HTPC/PC with a serious GPU.


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147221

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147223

 

 

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I have a powerful mini-itx build in a Fractal Node 304. It is half the size of my full desktop but a heck of a lot more powerful. It is still a small footprint and has enough breathing room to house a GTX780 and i7-4700k.

These mini-itx SFF builds intrigue me and I would need to get an i3 or celeron as my AMD APU is power hungry and needs sufficient cooling (A10-5800k) that I think being in this size of a build would cause some heat issues.
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At least for the E-i3/E-i5/E-i7 if you have an Intel 65W TDP or less processor and an SSD, heat is not an issue. In the E-i7 if you want a GPU, something HD6670 or less with an extra 80mm fan or two is fine as well. If you're willing to throw some money at the cooling aspect, e.g. Noctua NH-L9i and some 80x15mm fans, it can work well, run cool/warm and still be quiet.

 

 

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Stardog, it doesnt make much sense what you said that the e7 is even smaller than the f7c for the gpu... i mean its obvious from e pictures that it has more space next to the pci slot, after all it has those 2 positions to put 80mm fans there...
I mean it probably wont fit a dual slot gpu but at least 1.5 slot should be doable, or single slot along with a fan which would make it far from suffocating...
Am i missing something here?

I like the strecom much more on looks/quality and would probably wait for a true single slot low profile version of the gtx 750 ti to come out before doing this, but truth be told it seems much more spacious (as far as the gpu is concerned only) in the i7...

Thanks for the alternatives you showed me but those defeat the whole purpose of my project, they are too big. The point is building something very tiny that holds true power and not an onboard gpu...
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The E-i7 will fit a low-profile, single slot GPU that doesn't require a power connector. If you can find a GPU that fits within those parameters and you're willing to experiment with cooling and throw some money at it, then it should work.

And, the dimensions of the E-i7 are smaller than the F7C.

My testing was done with a Sapphire LP HD6670 card and an i3-2120T CPU. Power draw was around 110W using Furmark. GPU temps were well into the 70sC with no fans. Adding an 80mm fan or two probably would have helped.

There might be a little room there for a fan that sticks out maybe 1/2 a slot but a full slot I don't see that working.

 

 

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Hello,

I also would like to add an addition low profile single slot graphic card.
But I have currently the 84W version of this case and would like first to upgrade to have minimum 150W.

Do you think I should I buy the Realan powerboard LR1107 (180W input 12V) or LR1010 (180W input 17V-24V) ? I don't understand the difference, maybe the LR1010 can be used with standard laptop power AC-DC adapter ?
Which 150W AC-DC power adapter would be a good fit for this powerboard ?

I am living in Europe and usually have no problem ordering on Aliexpress.com.

Thanks in advance !
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Do you think I should I buy the Realan powerboard LR1107 (180W input 12V) or LR1010 (180W input 17V-24V) ? I don't understand the difference, maybe the LR1010 can be used with standard laptop power AC-DC adapter ?
Which 150W AC-DC power adapter would be a good fit for this powerboard ?
The difference is that one takes a 12V only input and the other allows for a input over a wider range. The 12V versions also tend to be cheaper, both the powerboard and the AC adapter. I would look at what 150W AC adapters are available to you locally, what their voltage is and then choose accordingly. You need a 2.5mm x 5.5mm tip for the AC adapter.

 

 

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Ok I wanted to buy a Realan AC-DC power adapter, but it seems that they only provide 200W version, there is no 150W version :
http://www.minicase.net/product-power-adapter.html

Looks like I'll have to buy that power adapter somewhere else !

Thanks for the advice,
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This search seems to find a good number of them: http://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?...50w+ac+adapter

I get my 150W AC adapters from these guys: http://short-circuit.com/categories/acdc.html

 

 

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Pretty excited about this new version of the E-i7. It has a USB3 port, IR window but the big thing is: NO optical drive slot. This means you can put a pretty big cooler in here and support a pretty powerful mini-ITX system. It comes in silver too.

Hi Stardog
Really loving the look of this case.. I want to buy 2 of these case's the one without the drive slot, I am looking to put in the AMD Athlon 5350 (25watts) socket AM1 APUs on a MSI AM1L MB add to that a 64gb SSD

I live in the UK and can only find the early E-i7 case with the drive slot

Can you ship these to the UK or do you know where I can get this case from nearer to home
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Unfortunately, the E-i7 without the ODD slot has long been sold out and the manufacturer isn't/won't make any more.

 

 

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Unfortunately, the E-i7 without the ODD slot has long been sold out and the manufacturer isn't/won't make any more.
Thats a shame.... Thanks anyway
By the way whats your thoughts on the AMD AM1 APUs onboard R3 Radeon graphics vs a GeForce GT210/610 silent GPU is there enough power with these cases to run a dedicated GPU, The machine will be used for XBMC only
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Thats a shame.... Thanks anyway
By the way whats your thoughts on the AMD AM1 APUs onboard R3 Radeon graphics vs a GeForce GT210/610 silent GPU is there enough power with these cases to run a dedicated GPU, The machine will be used for XBMC only
The integrated graphics should be enough but it depends entirely on what you're doing, what weird glitches you run into with your TV/AVR, media content, etc. I am using the 1st generation AMD APU (Llano) integrated graphics for my living room HTPC going through an Onkyo AVR to a Panasonic TV and it's great for live TV, SD DVDs and Blu-ray.

 

 

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At the moment for my HTPC I'm using an AMD Phenom cpu with a GeForce GT440 and using a modified version of XBMC called DSPlayer where I'm implementing LAV Audio/Video filters... Now I'm trying to get the same performance I get now but with lower power and a smaller form factor,

Just to confirm can I put in a graphic if I feel its necessary
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Yes, the E-i7 can take a low-profile single-slot GPU. I've tried with an HD5450 and HD6670 with no problems. The real limiting factor will be the power supply. The E-i7 on my site has a 12V 180W DC-DC powerboard so you can use up to a 180W AC-DC adapter with it. Most E-i7 from other vendors have the standard 12V 120V DC-DC powerboard.

 

 

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Yes, the E-i7 can take a low-profile single-slot GPU. I've tried with an HD5450 and HD6670 with no problems. The real limiting factor will be the power supply. The E-i7 on my site has a 12V 180W DC-DC powerboard so you can use up to a 180W AC-DC adapter with it. Most E-i7 from other vendors have the standard 12V 120V DC-DC powerboard.
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