Originally Posted by Foxbat121
I was also addressing a very specific issue where real 29/59 problem shows up most often to explain that Comcast alone can't cause this. Whether or not OTA channels also have this problem, I have no idea and can't verify. You fail to read the post and comprehend what I'm try to explain.
If the same show on the same channel has the same problem on various cable providers, it is a problem from source and I have seen posts of that, not guess. I never said every show on those channels or every channel have that same issue.
Different shows could be produced by different studios and hence mastered differently. A cable network simply put them together, not necessary re-master them. So, it is very possible for shows to behave differently on the same network channel.
If the same show has the same problem on all
(not "various" or "some" or "most") then I think it's fair to say the problem is elsewhere. (likely from the network) But if the problem exists from some providers, and not others, it isn't unreasonable to conclude that the problem is with the providers where the problem occurs.
One person here claims to have never seen the issue at all on CBS. I'm taking him at his word. Another user has described multiple instances of seeing the issue on CBS. I'm taking him at his word too. You know what that tells me? The problem, in all likelihood isn't
CBS. The problem, in all likelihood, is introduced after
the transport stream from the network has left the network feed.
Having said that, I've acknowledged that some of the problems can be coming from the network feed, before the cable providers ever touch the signal. Nobody is arguing that. But what I'm also saying (and you seem to be arguing without providing anything to back up your argument) is that feeds from HBO are undeniably modified by the cable companies (that much isn't even up for debate) and because of the nature of those premium channels the network pretty much has total control over the content being delivered to the provider. (no local commercials, no syndicated content, everything is content from a major studio, or from their in house production) and as such, much less likely to be malformed. So take a network that is going to great measures to make sure that their content is displayed properly (negotiating bandwidth minimums into their contracts etc) and a cable company that we know
is modifying the feed from HBO, and I don't feel it is a leap to suggest that the problem could be introduced at the cable provider. If you have proof
to the contrary, I'm all ears, but as of right now, we are both just speculating.
Now you can claim that HBO is wrecked universally, and if that's true, I'm more inclined to believe that the issue with HBO also originates at the network level, but so far all you've done is just say that it is a universal problem. If you say that the problem exists with HBO on your provider, I'll certainly take your word for it. But when you claim that it happens with every
provider, I'm going to need something more than your word to give your theory any credibility. Sure it's a possibility. I'm not denying that. I just haven't seen anything that points me toward it being a likely one.
But in a nutshell, all I'm saying is that there is a possibility not all of the problems are coming from the networks. If you're claiming that it isn't even a possibility, you need to show some better proof than "various cable providers" have the similar issues. If you acknowledge that there is a possibility some of the issues could be coming from the cable providers, then what are you even arguing for?