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With DvdFAB I copy just the main movie on my Blu-rays. So it also save space. From reading about MKV I don't see any real benefits to use it. It does not make play back look or sound better. IMO
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With DvdFAB I copy just the main movie on my Blu-rays. So it also save space. From reading about MKV I don't see any real benefits to use it. It does not make play back look or sound better. IMO

You can easily just select the main movie with makemkv. Also, why would you expect it (or any other program) to improve upon the picture and audio quality of the blu-ray?
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From reading about MKV I don't see any real benefits to use it. It does not make play back look or sound better. IMO

What? You need to read some more as that's not the point of creating a MKV.
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What? You need to read some more as that's not the point of creating a MKV.

What is the point? Like to know.
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With DVDFab I copy the main movie from the BR to my RAID 5 storage device and play it back with JRMC 17 and the play back quality of both video and audio is on PAR with my high-end BDP. That is all I need.
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With FabDVD I copy the main movie from the BR to my RAID 5 storage device and play it back with JRMC 17 and the play back quality of both video and audio is on PAR with my high-end BDP. That is all I need.

What format are you using to rip it into? Iso?

A straight MKV rip is the exact same as an iso or the bluray. HD audio is also preserved. So to say that whatever format you are using is "better" than MKV as far as picture and audio quality is concerned just isn't correct.
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Not ripping, I'm coping to HD. The file extension are m2ts.
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Not ripping, I'm coping to HD. The file extension are m2ts.

Ripping is the same thing as copying to the hard drive.
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Okay. I found how to remove subtitles. When rip the the movie using mkv it came up as title 00. It doesn't label it as the movie? I have to re label it?

I might try window media center instead. Looks nicer.

I have been using Ember media manager to catalog, scrap pictures and rename my movies for a while. I love it. Plus its free..

http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?tid=116941
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A straight MKV rip is the exact same as an iso or the bluray. HD audio is also preserved. So to say that whatever format you are using is "better" than MKV as far as picture and audio quality is concerned just isn't correct.


Ok, I'm still in the learning phase. I just feel at this time I don't need to change format due to play back is on PAR with my dedicated BDP.
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Ripping is the same thing as copying to the hard drive.

I thought ripping is changing format while copying to storage and copying is duplicating the disc.
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I thought ripping is changing format while copying to storage and copying is duplicating the disc.

Ripping is taking the data from the disc using an optical drive and placing it on a hard drive. It doesn't matter the format. So you can rip to MKV, ISO, AVI, etc depending on the software you are using.

Encoding or Re-encoding is taking one file type and changing it to another once it is already ripped.
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Ok, I guess I'll just say rip from now on. It seems to be the most popular to describe the process. Thank's for the edu!
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The main benefit to ripping to mkv was that mkv are widely supported by software players, very few would play the native BDMV folder structure. JR apparently does and if you are happy with that then what you are doing is fine!

One other benefit of mkv was if you wanted to further compress the file size down it was easier to do in mkv format since many encoders support it.
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The main benefit to ripping to mkv was that mkv are widely supported by software players, very few would play the native BDMV folder structure. JR apparently does and if you are happy with that then what you are doing is fine!

One other benefit of mkv was if you wanted to further compress the file size down it was easier to do in mkv format since many encoders support it.

And you can rip just the movie leaving the menus, extras, alternate endings, foreign audio, audio commentary etc behind making your file much smaller.
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I noticed in the screen shots for WMC, you have the movie art and info. Did you just grab all that info from IMDB?

Sorry, meant album art if you didn't gather that.
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And you can rip just the movie leaving the menus, extras, alternate endings, foreign audio, audio commentary etc behind making your file much smaller.

I saw this in the menu. The largest size that comes up is the move. The rest is all the extras, which I don't want or need. For audio, I see the standard DVD default to DTS 3/2 +1 English. I assume when I do a Blue ray, ill see the HD option?

Going into the future and plugging my HTPC into my AVR, will it automatically confirgure the movie to 5.1 or do I need to set it up to do so in the computer/ media player?

BTW Assassin, Thank for all the info and pointers. You have been a terrific help!!
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The main benefit to ripping to mkv was that mkv are widely supported by software players, very few would play the native BDMV folder structure. JR apparently does and if you are happy with that then what you are doing is fine!

One other benefit of mkv was if you wanted to further compress the file size down it was easier to do in mkv format since many encoders support it.

I have asked this question several times and have never gotten an answer. How does JR play a BDMV folder or ISO? Does it just play the longest track? That isn't sufficient. Often the longest track is not necessarily the one you want because it may have extras or added scenes. This is part of the reason why I like makemkv, because I have more control. For instance, the Alien and Aliens blu-ray have multiple cuts. I want the theatrical version, and I usually select that by checking the track length with the length of the film on IMDB.
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I have asked this question several times and have never gotten an answer. How does JR play a BDMV folder or ISO? Does it just play the longest track?

AFAIK, that's how all players, except the pay-players like PDVD and TMT, do it. They don't support menus or any way of picking a particular track, so they find the longest one and hope it's the one you want.
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And you can rip just the movie leaving the menus, extras, alternate endings, foreign audio, audio commentary etc behind making your file much smaller.

DVDFab will rip just main movie in BDMV folder structure, don't any other rippers?

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Sorry, meant album art if you didn't gather that.

Look at Media Center Master.

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I saw this in the menu. The largest size that comes up is the move. The rest is all the extras, which I don't want or need. For audio, I see the standard DVD default to DTS 3/2 +1 English. I assume when I do a Blue ray, ill see the HD option?

Going into the future and plugging my HTPC into my AVR, will it automatically confirgure the movie to 5.1 or do I need to set it up to do so in the computer/ media player?

BTW Assassin, Thank for all the info and pointers. You have been a terrific help!!

If your receiver supports the audio formats you should not have to do anything. Look and see what your receiver supports.
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I have asked this question several times and have never gotten an answer. How does JR play a BDMV folder or ISO? Does it just play the longest track? That isn't sufficient. Often the longest track is not necessarily the one you want because it may have extras or added scenes. This is part of the reason why I like makemkv, because I have more control. For instance, the Alien and Aliens blu-ray have multiple cuts. I want the theatrical version, and I usually select that by checking the track length with the length of the film on IMDB.

I don't know how JR works. I do know that you can select the version you want when ripping to BDMV folder with DVDFab, so I wouldn't say that mkv as a format has any advantage for what HUBSRT was needing. In fact I would say BDMV folder could have an advantage here assuming the player supports it since you can have all versions and you can select which one you want to play.
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I don't know how JR works. I do know that you can select the version you want when ripping to BDMV folder with DVDFab, so I wouldn't say that mkv as a format has any advantage for what HUBSRT was needing. In fact I would say BDMV folder could have an advantage here assuming the player supports it since you can have all versions and you can select which one you want to play.

That's all well and good as long as you have an elegant way to select the tracks. I would probably just rip ISO or bdmv if there were more programs that supported java menus. TMT5/PowerDVD/WinDVD just don't do a great job. At least someone's working on it.
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DVDFab will rip just main movie in BDMV folder structure, don't any other rippers?



Look at Media Center Master.



If your receiver supports the audio formats you should not have to do anything. Look and see what your receiver supports.

MY receiver does everything but slice bread, so shouldn't be a issue. Haha.

Thanks!
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All I can say is DVDFab is AWSOME for bit perfect ripping. Thank God for my 15TB RAID 5 storage unit.
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All I can say is DVDFab is AWSOME for bit perfect ripping. Thank God for my 15TB RAID 5 storage unit.

Its hard to compare paid software to free software.
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How much is DVDfab?
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I thought ripping is changing format while copying to storage and copying is duplicating the disc.

What MakeMKV does is takes the Blu-ray video and puts it in a MKV container. Sometimes its Mpeg 2 and sometimes its other. I believe its called remuxing. Remuxing basically repackages the video file into something else. In this case its getting repackaged into a .mkv file. No compression is done.
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Its hard to compare paid software to free software.

Agreed. That's why I don't bring up MyMovies and AnyDVDHD in these discussions.
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