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coolrunnings82's Avatar coolrunnings82 01:29 PM 08-14-2012
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Thanks, this thread is very informative! I ordered one of these units and can't till it arrives. I am happy that it can be quieted down, I am not sure exactly where I am going to stash mine so it is going to start out in my living room.
Me too. Hope you're not married because if you are, run for the hills after putting that in your livingroom. Supermicro gear is scary loud for an occupied room. That said, I ordered one too and am looking forward to quieting that thing down for use in my office. 24 bays of hotswap goodness is too much to pass up at this price!

Defcon's Avatar Defcon 02:47 PM 08-14-2012
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Thanks, this thread is very informative! I ordered one of these units and can't till it arrives. I am happy that it can be quieted down, I am not sure exactly where I am going to stash mine so it is going to start out in my living room.

Same here, or more likely a corner of the kitchen with an extra long Ethernet cable. I ant it quiet enough that I can't hear it from my couch, although I'm afraid the ever present hum could be annoying.

 

Curious - is there anyone who has one of these beasts who lives in an apartment?


ugotd8's Avatar ugotd8 03:20 PM 08-14-2012
Mine is going in my basement, I've already got a 16 bay supermicro down there that I can't hear at all upstairs. But in the basement, that's another story. biggrin.gif
dianasta's Avatar dianasta 04:23 PM 08-14-2012
I would like one of these servers but... too bad they don't ship to Canada... frown.gif
Biggrich76's Avatar Biggrich76 05:14 PM 08-14-2012
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Hi... Windows 7 installs perfectly... the only drivers that will need to be re-installed/updated are the ones for SATA cards wich can be found here

Been trying to install Win7 on my machine, but it doesn't seem to like this driver. I'm stuck.
Killroy's Avatar Killroy 05:25 PM 08-14-2012
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Been trying to install Win7 on my machine, but it doesn't seem to like this driver. I'm stuck.

How are you trying to install it? I have it on 4 boxes with W7 with no problems?

My method was Properties, update driver, point manually to the location where you extracted it. You have to do it for each and every card you have.
Litlgi74's Avatar Litlgi74 05:29 PM 08-14-2012
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How are you trying to install it? I have it on 4 boxes with W7 with no problems?
My method was Properties, update driver, point manually to the location where you extracted it. You have to do it for each and every card you have.

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What he said...
Litlgi74's Avatar Litlgi74 05:58 PM 08-14-2012
If you are now on a waiting list for the new Supermicro 4Us and or contemplating if you really need 24 bays biggrin.gif

TamSolutions has a Supermicro 2U (12bay) as well.



Here are the specs:

Supermicro SAS826TQ
Supermicro X7SBE
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.0Ghz
Kingston 4GB RAM
(1) Supermicro SAT2-MV8
(2) 800 watt PSU (redundant)

All This For $189.00!!!

If you would like one of these machines before they are sold out... give TamSolutions a call at 801-796-1696... they only have about 17 or so left in stock!

The case fans in this machine are the same as the ones in the 4Us and are very loud... but they too can be very easily replaced with virtually silent fans.

The PSU fans are also much quieter than the ones that come with the 4U.

I have one of these machines as well... so if you have any questions... I would be glad to help.

Just thought I would share.
Killroy's Avatar Killroy 06:00 PM 08-14-2012
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Originally Posted by Litlgi74 View Post

If you are now on a waiting list for the new Supermicro 4Us and or contemplating if you really 24 bays biggrin.gif
TamSolutions has a Supermicro 2U (12bay) as well.

Here are the specs:
Supermicro SAS826TQ
Supermicro X7SBE
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.0Ghz
Kingston 4GB RAM
(1) Supermicro SAT2-MV8
(2) 800 watt PSU (redundant)
All This For $189.00!!!

If you would like one of these machines before they are sold out... give TamSolutions a call at 801-796-1696... they only have about 17 or so left in stock!
The case fans in this machine are the same as the ones in the 4Us and are very loud... but they too can be very easily replaced with virtually silent fans.
The PSU fans are also much quieter than the ones that come with the 4U.
I have one of these machines as well... so if you have any questions... I would be glad to help.
Just thought I would share.

Damn!!! That is a sweet deal! The Mobo alone is $250 brand new at Newegg.
eric.exe's Avatar eric.exe 06:14 PM 08-14-2012
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I have one of these machines as well... so if you have any questions... I would be glad to help.
Just thought I would share.
Can I see the front of the unit?

Also, do you know the compatibility of that motherboard with VMware ESXi?
Litlgi74's Avatar Litlgi74 06:36 PM 08-14-2012
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Can I see the front of the unit?
Also, do you know the compatibility of that motherboard with VMware ESXi?

Sure... It looks just like this... but with black drive bays.



Sorry... cant help with ESXi.
Biggrich76's Avatar Biggrich76 08:40 AM 08-15-2012
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Originally Posted by Killroy View Post

How are you trying to install it? I have it on 4 boxes with W7 with no problems?
My method was Properties, update driver, point manually to the location where you extracted it. You have to do it for each and every card you have.

I couldn't get to that point, it must have been a bad iso because it kept asking for a driver during the initial installation. I copied over a different iso and it's working fine now.

Now to dig back through the posts and figure out which fans I can replace. These things are crazy loud!

EDIT: Are all 5 fans 80mm, or just the rear ones?
Litlgi74's Avatar Litlgi74 09:24 AM 08-15-2012
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I couldn't get to that point, it must have been a bad iso because it kept asking for a driver during the initial installation. I copied over a different iso and it's working fine now.
Now to dig back through the posts and figure out which fans I can replace. These things are crazy loud!
EDIT: Are all 5 fans 80mm, or just the rear ones?

I used these: 80mm Arctic Cooling

All case fans are 80mm.
bima's Avatar bima 09:25 AM 08-15-2012
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Originally Posted by Litlgi74 View Post

If you are now on a waiting list for the new Supermicro 4Us and or contemplating if you really need 24 bays biggrin.gif
TamSolutions has a Supermicro 2U (12bay) as well.

Here are the specs:
Supermicro SAS826TQ
Supermicro X7SBE
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.0Ghz
Kingston 4GB RAM
(1) Supermicro SAT2-MV8
(2) 800 watt PSU (redundant)
All This For $189.00!!!

If you would like one of these machines before they are sold out... give TamSolutions a call at 801-796-1696... they only have about 17 or so left in stock!
The case fans in this machine are the same as the ones in the 4Us and are very loud... but they too can be very easily replaced with virtually silent fans.
The PSU fans are also much quieter than the ones that come with the 4U.
I have one of these machines as well... so if you have any questions... I would be glad to help.
Just thought I would share.

pretty solid server case smile.gif, I saw one server at work before they sent to HQ for recycled( It should went to any liquidator company).
but..... case & PSU fans were loud!!!!!! . original PSU can be tamed with 2U PSU with thermal control fan smile.gif, just take the redundant PSU and replace with 2U non-redundant PSU
Litlgi74's Avatar Litlgi74 09:37 AM 08-15-2012
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pretty solid server case smile.gif, I saw one server at work before they sent to HQ for recycled( It should went to any liquidator company).
but..... case & PSU fans were loud!!!!!! . original PSU can be tamed with 2U PSU with thermal control fan smile.gif, just take the redundant PSU and replace with 2U non-redundant PSU

These PSU fans are not that loud at all... when compared to the case fans. smile.gif For $20 you could swap out the case fans and have a very nice server...
wkearney99's Avatar wkearney99 09:45 AM 08-15-2012
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Originally Posted by Litlgi74 View Post

I used these: 80mm Arctic CoolingAll case fans are 80mm.
I don't like those fans as much. They're not really PWM by themselves. They're designed to daisy-chain in-between the CPU fans and the motherboard. The idea being the fans would only run at the same amount as the processors. There's no way to connect them as just 4-pin PWM all on their own. Now, if you've got other 4-pin PWM fans and you WANT to set these up inline then, sure. But I'd prefer individual 4-pin PWM units.
Litlgi74's Avatar Litlgi74 10:08 AM 08-15-2012
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I don't like those fans as much. They're not really PWM by themselves. They're designed to daisy-chain in-between the CPU fans and the motherboard. The idea being the fans would only run at the same amount as the processors. There's no way to connect them as just 4-pin PWM all on their own. Now, if you've got other 4-pin PWM fans and you WANT to set these up inline then, sure. But I'd prefer individual 4-pin PWM units.

Yes they can be daisy chained to the CPU... but if you have 4 pin connectors on the mobo... you can connect these fans as individual PWM fans by themselves:


bima's Avatar bima 10:08 AM 08-15-2012
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Originally Posted by Litlgi74 View Post

These PSU fans are not that loud at all... when compared to the case fans. smile.gif For $20 you could swap out the case fans and have a very nice server...
Still loud when you plan to put in the office/living/bed room for me
Litlgi74's Avatar Litlgi74 10:15 AM 08-15-2012
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Still loud when you plan to put in the office/living/bed room for me

True! But for a basement or garage... no problem!
wkearney99's Avatar wkearney99 11:26 AM 08-15-2012
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True! But for a basement or garage... no problem!
I'll third the noise issue. Even with lots of efforts to quiet it down you're still going to end up with more noise than I think most people would tolerate around them. Especially spouses. While it's really tempting to have a beast like this, you really do need to have the right place to put it. It's big, heavy and a LOT louder than any sort of regular PC.

The upside is, once configured, you can put it somewhere out of the way. Provided you've got room and a shelf or rack capable of holding it. When you have this many drives in one place you DO NOT want to be keeping it on the floor. You've gotta get it up and away from dust, vibration or being hit by a vacuum cleaner. Drives are less fragile than in the past but they're still susceptible to heat and vibration or impact.

So if you don't already have a rack suitable for it you probably do not want one of these beasts... Otherwise you'll also have to make the argument for getting a rack and having space for it.
ugotd8's Avatar ugotd8 11:33 AM 08-15-2012
Or a table. biggrin.gif
bima's Avatar bima 11:56 AM 08-15-2012
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Or a table. biggrin.gif

or a used metal tv table smile.gif, very sturdy. I have metal tv table with thick tempered glass ( bought on clearance 4 years ago).
I put my servers, and headless PCs( gone soon after finalizing VMs), and a big old APC UPS including 1U smart switch

this should be a temporary solution, the metal tv table is in living room,
mexicanmike03's Avatar mexicanmike03 12:17 PM 08-15-2012
Lackrack gentleman, lackrack http://wiki.eth-0.nl/index.php/LackRack. 10 Bucks and a little re-enforcement for 4u units and you are set.
bima's Avatar bima 01:30 PM 08-15-2012
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Lackrack gentleman, lackrack http://wiki.eth-0.nl/index.php/LackRack. 10 Bucks and a little re-enforcement for 4u units and you are set.

hahha, I need to drive 2 hours for going to Ikea :|.... not fun...
bima's Avatar bima 01:32 PM 08-15-2012
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True! But for a basement or garage... no problem!

I do not have a basement, just a crawl space, and can not put in garage

impossible for me for 2 reasons:
1) summer is hot!!
2)) humidity is a silent killer
mexicanmike03's Avatar mexicanmike03 01:51 PM 08-15-2012
Order online? I mean, shipping will cost just as much as the product, but hey, still cheaper than a rack.
wkearney99's Avatar wkearney99 02:15 PM 08-15-2012
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Order online? I mean, shipping will cost just as much as the product, but hey, still cheaper than a rack.
For what these beasts weight I'd never trust the crappy MDF glue-and-sawdust junk they tend to use for Ikea stuff. Yeah, it's clever hanging a router off a crappy end table, LOL and all that. But for something this heavy, with the potential for holding a considerable amount of data, I'd prefer something designed for the job. You do not want drives to fail because someone bumped against a piece of junk furniture and caused it to collapse.

As for alternative mounting: Show me your Rack.
wkearney99's Avatar wkearney99 02:25 PM 08-15-2012
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Yes they can be daisy chained to the CPU... but if you have 4 pin connectors on the mobo... you can connect these fans as individual PWM fans by themselves
Actually, you're right. The wiring wasn't immediately clear. They're wiring up the fans to the 4th PWM pin, but then they have a separate line for the pulse sensor (fan speed) which can be connected back into the CPU plug. So yes, they can be used standalone on a 4-pin header, it just didn't look that way at first glance. The cabling looks a bit ugly though. But they are nice and quiet. I've retrofitted them on both the case and the fanwall and it's a nice noise reduction.
ugotd8's Avatar ugotd8 04:17 PM 08-15-2012
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For what these beasts weight I'd never trust the crappy MDF glue-and-sawdust junk they tend to use for Ikea stuff. Yeah, it's clever hanging a router off a crappy end table, LOL and all that. But for something this heavy, with the potential for holding a considerable amount of data, I'd prefer something designed for the job. You do not want drives to fail because someone bumped against a piece of junk furniture and caused it to collapse.
As for alternative mounting: Show me your Rack.

You want something sturdy for sure. Let's not forget HD vibration causing performance issues. See this thread for my own personal experience. :-)
wkearney99's Avatar wkearney99 12:04 AM 08-16-2012
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Originally Posted by eric.exe View Post

Also, do you know the compatibility of that motherboard with VMware ESXi?
From what little searching I've seen that board won't do VT-D, so no hardware pass-through in ESXi. That isn't to say that other aspects of ESXi wouldn't work, just not VT-d. But I didn't search exhaustively, just noted a few search results indicating problems with VT-d.
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