Originally Posted by assassin
I edited it for the take home message that you must have missed.
Big difference between Zon2020's opinion and perception of reality and a few of the others here including yourself.
That is why I respect him and what he says.
Here is what I see about Zon2020's opinion that is most like my own:
At the time he purchased his SSD's there was some reports of issue with the new Sandforce 22xx drives. These drives were very new at the time.
So he made a logical decision to purchase something else. His reasoning was based on a very current piece of knowledge at the time. Not a very old reliability chart, or any "trendy" idea.
Since then he has admitted a couple things, or at least suggested he might believe them to be partly true.
#1. The issues with the initial Sandforce controllers at this point are pretty much a non issue and have been improved or resolved.
#2. He understands it was not that widespread and only effected a small amount of drives, with specific hardware combo's. Not as major or universal issue as the haters believe.
#3. Today- the relevance of an old issue that is not likely to exist now is very low.
Crucial brainwashed owners, The OCZ haters, and almost all sandforce controller haters in general do not understand the above - or believe it to be true. They are wrong- and they spout false claims of widespread reliability issues and suggest it's still a problem today. There is a big difference between the two.
I take major offense to the second type since I believe them to be wrong on all counts. I take no offense to Zon2020's thinking because it's very much near how I see reality even if he decision making is different than mine.
That is my understanding of his take on the Sandforce issue. He might have choosen to not purchase something or purchase something else- but his thinking was based on sound logic and an accurate grasp on reality.
Moreover- to the point of the OCZ brand in specic (I think this is where your expecting a rise from me):
I believe Zon2020's opinion is very different than many because he is not a hater. Just chooses something else.
I know that he knows and understands the following:
#1. OCZ is a major player in the lower price tier, and attracts many noobs with amazing values
#2. OCZ was one of the first and the largest SSD makers initially- and they rushed products out the door to capitalize on a new market in SSD. As a result they suffered some growing pains and at least partly earned some of the negative reputation they have.
#3. OCZ has a negative reputation from before SSD times- that many older PC enthusiasts won't forget or forgive which creates an even stronger "hate" and makes the hate on OCZ popular and trendy. While it might not translate directly into today's SSD product it does exist.
#4. OCZ makes tons of drives. They sell tons of SSD drives. Probably more than most other MFG's. The chances of getting a solid product is probably very high.
So if he does not trust OCZ because of negative reputation (both partly deserved or not) and thinks that $20 spent on another brand might not be a bad idea I respect that opinion. It's his money and his choice.
The difference might seem small but it's significant to me.
He does not think all Sandforce drives are evil or likely to have serious issues today. He knows Sandforce is great performance and great prices too. He realizes that Crucial has major issues too, and is equally subjective in his opinion of OCZ and Crucial. Many others here brush the Crucial stuff under the rug about firmware but then bash on Sandforce and OCZ and Sandforce for the same thing. They are no different. He never suggests that OCZ would be likely to have major reliability issues, and simply just chooses another based on personal preference and personal feelings. I see nothing wrong with any of that.
If you swap out all my arguments the term "OCZ" with the term "MUSHKIN" or "CORSAIR" I bet he, and many others would find a lot less to disagree with.
I am not as big as an OCZ supporter as you think that I am.
I think I am much more a value/performance supporter in general and that in SSD's OCZ seems to fit. Mushkin and other Sandforce SSD drives also get my nod of approval for basically the same performance and prices as the VERTEX3's OCZ. If your an OCZ hater, there is still tons of options for you without spending tons more on a lesser performance drive because the MFG is "trendy" and "popular"
I think Sandforce drives in general are very reliable. They are as reliable or better than non sandforce drives like the Crucial. Today this is true. Months and months ago.. it was possible to argue it.
So if it's cheaper and it's faster and it's as reliable or better- it at least deserves a consideration. Right?
regardless if you actually choose one of the other- I believe he is willing to admit it might be worth a look today and he sees the situation as it really is. Everyone is going to have a brand preference and personal feeling, but I think he's the most subjective I have seen on the subject so I take no offense to his decision making process.
In contrast- I have never seen you recommend or list a Sandforce drive in your guides. Why not? You list the Crucial, but say a Muskin is both faster and cheaper. It's recommended as the top pick at Tomshardware below the Samsung (which is recommended over the Crucial too).
So why no Sandforce controller drives in your guides?
It's not like they are worse or more expensive.
My arguments are very much directed towards the flaws and assumptions people make regarding reliability of SSD- that are both popular and based on "feelings" and not facts. They are not designed to stick up for one brand or another.
I could honestly not give two *****s if someone hates OCZ or not for whatever reason. That's OCZ's problem. I don't own stock.
I care when I think people are wrong or they falsely broadcasts lies and inaccuracy. Zon2020 has done none of that.